So we were talking during FNM and I had this thought. With Theros having so many interactions with enchantments, I was thinking Rancor might have a place. It has synergy with the Heroic mechanic, as well as being able to trigger Constellation. Even being able to trigger them multiple times if the creature it was enchanting would die/exile.
If they were worried about printing cards that hose the block, they wouldn't have made Revoke Existence, Deicide, Unravel the Aether, etc.
They did already catch flak for printing Deicide since that makes sure the gods will never a big part of Standard. But there is still a ton of difference between 2 mana "get rid of one enchantment" and 3 mana "get rid of all enchantments".
With all the enchantments creatures around that will see even more play after RTR rotates like Courser of KruphixTempest of Light and similar cards would basically act as a 3 mana instant-speed Day of Judgment
You're saying that Gods will never be a big part of Standard for one card? (Kinda like how Grafdigger's Cage ensured that graveyard and flashback decks were DOOMED - Even though the 2 best decks in Standard after Cage was printed was Reanimator and Snapcaster decks......)
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You're saying that Gods will never be a big part of Standard for one card? (Kinda like how Grafdigger's Cage ensured that graveyard and flashback decks were DOOMED - Even though the 2 best decks in Standard after Cage was printed was Reanimator and Snapcaster decks......)
Gods will not see heavy Standard play but not only because of that one card but also because many of them are terrible and also have to be build around to take advantage of them. Mono-Blue being the best example of that and Mono-Blue is not winning tournaments anymore like it was at the beginning of Theros block.
Besides Grafdigger's Cage is not exactly a maindeck card since it only does one thing and that is hating on graveyard stuff and it symmetrical so you cant do that stuff too. Deicide on the other hand is perfectly playable in the maindeck since its 2 mana instant-speed enchantment removal and their are many targets for it. The god clause is just a bonus that is tacked on to it. That is a big difference.
So if people aren't playing Gods because of their "build-around-me" mechanics, then why would anyone be playing Deicide?
The Top 8 of the SCG Open in Cincy last weekend saw a total of 2 Deicides, and they were in the sideboard. My point is that the presence of one card does not make it so no one plays the God cards.
Which, the Gods are still being played but sparingly.
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Deicide isn't being played because the gods aren't good enough to make it see play. His point was that even if the gods ere better, Deicide is a really powerful hose. Deicide is also much better than Cage because it has lot of relevant non-god targets in almost every deck. Courser, Connections, everything in hexproof decks, most of the gods' weapons (whip and bident, but spear could be important if white weenie gets better), and detention sphere/banishing light are all extremely relevant cards that Deicide is still an instant-speed 2cmc removal for.
I don't think rancor will be in m15, as it might be too strong with some Theros cards for a year in standard. Maybe if there is no playable green hexproof creature, because once Witchstalker, Gladecover, Ethereal Armor, and the Rav block enchants rotate hexproof will be a lot weaker.
Deicide isn't being played because the gods aren't good enough to make it see play. His point was that even if the gods ere better, Deicide is a really powerful hose. Deicide is also much better than Cage because it has lot of relevant non-god targets in almost every deck. Courser, Connections, everything in hexproof decks, most of the gods' weapons (whip and bident, but spear could be important if white weenie gets better), and detention sphere/banishing light are all extremely relevant cards that Deicide is still an instant-speed 2cmc removal for.
I don't think rancor will be in m15, as it might be too strong with some Theros cards for a year in standard. Maybe if there is no playable green hexproof creature, because once Witchstalker, Gladecover, Ethereal Armor, and the Rav block enchants rotate hexproof will be a lot weaker.
I think by weaker you mean dead. Ethereal Armor and Gladecover Scout are the best cards in that deck and I can't see how it will survive without them.
I feel as I the reprinting of Rancor wouldn't be that detrimental to the foundation of standard. Especially with the counter of revoke existence witch gets around it's ability. However, rancor introduces trample, which is not so prevalent in standard at the moment besides, of course, charging badger.
It would surprise me to see rancor reprinted again. The card is a mistake, plain and simple. Deicide is a nice answer for it though since exiling rancor means it's gone forever. Card is also stupid good with constellation.
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It would surprise me to see rancor reprinted again. The card is a mistake, plain and simple. Deicide is a nice answer for it though since exiling rancor means it's gone forever. Card is also stupid good with constellation.
If it is such as mistake, why ddid they bring it back in M13?
It would make sense, flavor-wise. But honestly I hope it doesn't come because the Hexproof decks are annoying enough as it is.......
If they print Rancor they better give us a Tempest Light or something.
and control decks aren't? You need to learn to play around things, of course people too lazy to do so tend to get wizards to stop printing good answers to the worst offenders
If it is such as mistake, why ddid they bring it back in M13?
You act as though WotC can do no wrong in terms of reprints or new printings. Let's say they reprinted gush in M13 instead. That doesn't make it any less of a mistake.
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If it is such as mistake, why ddid they bring it back in M13?
You act as though WotC can do no wrong in terms of reprints or new printings. Let's say they reprinted gush in M13 instead. That doesn't make it any less of a mistake.
It didn't break the game in M13. It wouldn't in M15.
If it is such as mistake, why ddid they bring it back in M13?
You act as though WotC can do no wrong in terms of reprints or new printings. Let's say they reprinted gush in M13 instead. That doesn't make it any less of a mistake.
Would Gush even be that great in Standard? I've been told by someone who was playing back then that Gush was pretty much a nonentity back in the Mercadian Masques Standard environments. It's the bigger formats where Gush becomes ridiculous.
It depends entirely on the context of the format. If gush were legal alongside mana leak, delver of secrets, and geist of saint traft? Yes, it would break standard in half then. On top of that gush is basically zero mana: Draw 2 cards. Seeing as how WotC no longer likes ponder/preordain type cantrips at 1 mana I can't imagine gush at zero mana is any better.
It's the same with rancor. Just because it wasn't broken in standard when M13 was standard legal doesn't mean it couldn't be broken in the right standard environment. Take delver of secrets for example. There have been standard environments where delver would have been awful. But in SoM ISD standard? Delver was bonkers. By far the best deck after dark ascension came out not close.
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What a sad state of affairs. At the very least, they could have added trample, and maybe changed the gravedigging cost to 2G or 1GG even if it meant moving it to uncommon. It sure would be nice to see a strong green aura in the core set.
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If they print Rancor they better give us a Tempest Light or something.
Well that would play kinda awkward with Theros block and so many things in it being enchantments. Printing a card that hoses the entire block is bold.
They did already catch flak for printing Deicide since that makes sure the gods will never a big part of Standard. But there is still a ton of difference between 2 mana "get rid of one enchantment" and 3 mana "get rid of all enchantments".
With all the enchantments creatures around that will see even more play after RTR rotates like Courser of Kruphix Tempest of Light and similar cards would basically act as a 3 mana instant-speed Day of Judgment
Gods will not see heavy Standard play but not only because of that one card but also because many of them are terrible and also have to be build around to take advantage of them. Mono-Blue being the best example of that and Mono-Blue is not winning tournaments anymore like it was at the beginning of Theros block.
Besides Grafdigger's Cage is not exactly a maindeck card since it only does one thing and that is hating on graveyard stuff and it symmetrical so you cant do that stuff too.
Deicide on the other hand is perfectly playable in the maindeck since its 2 mana instant-speed enchantment removal and their are many targets for it. The god clause is just a bonus that is tacked on to it. That is a big difference.
The Top 8 of the SCG Open in Cincy last weekend saw a total of 2 Deicides, and they were in the sideboard. My point is that the presence of one card does not make it so no one plays the God cards.
Which, the Gods are still being played but sparingly.
I don't think rancor will be in m15, as it might be too strong with some Theros cards for a year in standard. Maybe if there is no playable green hexproof creature, because once Witchstalker, Gladecover, Ethereal Armor, and the Rav block enchants rotate hexproof will be a lot weaker.
I think by weaker you mean dead. Ethereal Armor and Gladecover Scout are the best cards in that deck and I can't see how it will survive without them.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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Basically a nice powerful common/uncommon reprint.
They've done it before with Stony Silence, Rest in Peace, and Burning Earth.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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If it is such as mistake, why ddid they bring it back in M13?
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
and control decks aren't? You need to learn to play around things, of course people too lazy to do so tend to get wizards to stop printing good answers to the worst offenders
aye, but people crying about good mill cards and good land destruction made WotC make these two strategies practically unviable.
You act as though WotC can do no wrong in terms of reprints or new printings. Let's say they reprinted gush in M13 instead. That doesn't make it any less of a mistake.
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It didn't break the game in M13. It wouldn't in M15.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
It's the same with rancor. Just because it wasn't broken in standard when M13 was standard legal doesn't mean it couldn't be broken in the right standard environment. Take delver of secrets for example. There have been standard environments where delver would have been awful. But in SoM ISD standard? Delver was bonkers. By far the best deck after dark ascension came out not close.
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What a sad state of affairs. At the very least, they could have added trample, and maybe changed the gravedigging cost to 2G or 1GG even if it meant moving it to uncommon. It sure would be nice to see a strong green aura in the core set.