I don't really know where else to ask this. On blogatog MaRo answered this:
Q: Will Tarmogoyf get functional erratia for Conspiracy?
A: Tarmogoyf counts the number of different card types in your graveyard. The reminder text which reminds you what those are at the time of the card’s printing is irrelevant.
Now I wonder why would someone believe that we'd get a functional erratia?
What kind of card type shows up in Conspiracy? Did I miss something?
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I doubt they want to turn this set into Goyf Lottery 3.0. I suppose it's possible, but after the big fuss they made about Goyf being the flagship card of Modern Masters, I have a hard time imagining them slotting him into a random supplemental booster product. I could be wrong, though.
I don't necessarily believe 'Goyf will be in,
but from the very start, I've been saying this set would contain some "known quantity" value cards
as extra incentive to ensure people come to the drafts.
People are resistant to change- look at the "success" of their last invented format, Archenemy.
They want this to do better, so I suspect they will include known money cards to entice people to the drafts.
I seriously doubt they will make the box value high enough to be better off sold for singles,
but I do expect some valuable Modern (maybe even Legacy?) staples in this.
Goyf might be a bit much, but MaRo mentioning it in regard to new card types is a bit suspect.
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
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Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
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While the person got an answer, it's worth is just about as much as asking for a ruling on an Un-card.
Conspiracies are included in the group of cards that will not be eternal legal.
Basically, it's a correct answer to a situation that's never going to happen except maybe in someone's cube or at a kitchen table.
I think Tarmogoyf would only need errata if the conspiracy cards are legal in any other format. From what the wiki says about Conspiracy is that there will be 65 new cards, but only 52 will be legal in legacy and vintage (and if I'm right commander by extension.) My guess is that Conspiracy cards will only be legal within the Conspiracy draft. If Tarmogoyf is not in Conspiracy they wouldn't necessarily need errata for a card type they will have no interaction with. I guess if some places wanted to draft it with MM it could be a problem, but that's just my two cents.
I think Tarmogoyf would only need errata if the conspiracy cards are legal in any other format. From what the wiki says about Conspiracy is that there will be 65 new cards, but only 52 will be legal in legacy and vintage (and if I'm right commander by extension.) My guess is that Conspiracy cards will only be legal within the Conspiracy draft. If Tarmogoyf is not in Conspiracy they wouldn't necessarily need errata for a card type they will have no interaction with. I guess if some places wanted to draft it with MM it could be a problem, but that's just my two cents.
MaRo's whole point is that the only thing you'd need to change is Goyf's reminder text. This is not considered errata.
Even IF conspiracies were legal anywhere AND they may go to the graveyard (they can be a Command Zone only thing like planes) AND you play them together with Goyf, Goyf's ability would still work the exact same way it already does (with a slightly dubious reminder text).
While I hope Goyf sees more and more reprints, is there a problem with the card staying the way it's written? Look at Show and Tell or Pernicious Deed. These cards do not include "Planeswalkers" in their effects and have not been adjusted to include them. Although the example is a bit of "apples to oranges", both cards essentially hit 'every type' of magic card at the time of their printing. Does goyf need to include this new cardtype?
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I mean, hell, we're all on a forum for something that most people would describe as a "children's card game"...do what makes you happy. You are never too old to enjoy yourself.
While I hope Goyf sees more and more reprints, is there a problem with the card staying the way it's written? Look at Show and Tell or Pernicious Deed. These cards do not include "Planeswalkers" in their effects and have not been adjusted to include them. Although the example is a bit of "apples to oranges", both cards essentially hit 'every type' of magic card at the time of their printing. Does goyf need to include this new cardtype?
The difference here is Tarmo has a reminder text (that's italic) stating what are Magic card types. Everything printed in italic font is just there to help players BUT it's not part of the card for the game rules. So each and every time a new type is introduced in Magic that would be part of Tarmogoyf's ability, the reminder text will just be inaccurate.
As for Show and Tell, instead, including Planeswalkers would be an errata, something that is not going to happen.
While I hope Goyf sees more and more reprints, is there a problem with the card staying the way it's written? Look at Show and Tell or Pernicious Deed. These cards do not include "Planeswalkers" in their effects and have not been adjusted to include them. Although the example is a bit of "apples to oranges", both cards essentially hit 'every type' of magic card at the time of their printing. Does goyf need to include this new cardtype?
Tarmogoyf's actual text: Tarmogoyf's power is equal to the number of card types among cards in all graveyards and its toughness is equal to that number plus 1..
So it counts card types in the graveyard, period, including the ones that were created after it (hint: planeswalker didn't exist yet whent goyf was first printed. It's reminder text cited them, but they weren't present in the rules yet). If Conspiracy is a card type and they can go to the graveyard, goyf's ability will count them, no errata needed. Goyf would even count planes and schemes if they could go to the grave.
It is not like Show and Tell or Pernicious Deed. It is like Blatant Thievery or Boomerang or Desert Twister- they can affect planeswalkers, because they are permanents. No errata was needed for them.
Conspirogoyf 3
Creature - Lhurgoyf
Conspirogoyf's power and toughness is = to the number of conspiracies in play or each graveyard. 2, remove a card in any graveyard from the game: Place a +1/+1 counter on Conspirogoyf. Sometimes the greatest conspiracies are the ones best left alone.
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Q: Will Tarmogoyf get functional erratia for Conspiracy?
A: Tarmogoyf counts the number of different card types in your graveyard. The reminder text which reminds you what those are at the time of the card’s printing is irrelevant.
Now I wonder why would someone believe that we'd get a functional erratia?
What kind of card type shows up in Conspiracy? Did I miss something?
Multiple instances of lifelink on the same creature are redundant.
Multiple instances of lifelink on the same creature are redundant.
—Eli Shiffrin, Rules Manager, on a design stacking lifelink instances
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Imagine that: what if they printed tarmogoyf ( Modern Masters) with conspiracy card type on errata or remind text? It would have been amzing...
It isn't impossible.
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EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
UR Melek, Izzet ParagonUR, B Shirei, Shizo's CaretakerB, R Jaya Ballard, Task MageR,RW Tajic, Blade of the LegionRW, UB Lazav, Dimir MastermindUB, UB Circu, Dimir LobotomistUB, RWU Zedruu the GreatheartedRWU, GUBThe MimeoplasmGUB, UGExperiment Kraj UG, WDarien, King of KjeldorW, BMarrow-GnawerB, WBGKarador, Ghost ChieftainWBG, UTeferi, Temporal ArchmageU, GWUDerevi, Empyrial TacticianGWU, RDaretti, Scrap SavantR, UTalrand, Sky SummonerU, GEzuri, Renegade LeaderG, WUBRGReaper KingWUBRG, RGXenagos, God of RevelsRG, CKozilek, Butcher of TruthC, WUBRGGeneral TazriWUBRG, GTitania, Protector of ArgothG
but from the very start, I've been saying this set would contain some "known quantity" value cards
as extra incentive to ensure people come to the drafts.
People are resistant to change- look at the "success" of their last invented format, Archenemy.
They want this to do better, so I suspect they will include known money cards to entice people to the drafts.
I seriously doubt they will make the box value high enough to be better off sold for singles,
but I do expect some valuable Modern (maybe even Legacy?) staples in this.
Goyf might be a bit much, but MaRo mentioning it in regard to new card types is a bit suspect.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
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This would be EPIC!
Conspiracies are included in the group of cards that will not be eternal legal.
Basically, it's a correct answer to a situation that's never going to happen except maybe in someone's cube or at a kitchen table.
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This. I would gladly welcome this conspiracy.
MaRo's whole point is that the only thing you'd need to change is Goyf's reminder text. This is not considered errata.
Even IF conspiracies were legal anywhere AND they may go to the graveyard (they can be a Command Zone only thing like planes) AND you play them together with Goyf, Goyf's ability would still work the exact same way it already does (with a slightly dubious reminder text).
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The difference here is Tarmo has a reminder text (that's italic) stating what are Magic card types. Everything printed in italic font is just there to help players BUT it's not part of the card for the game rules. So each and every time a new type is introduced in Magic that would be part of Tarmogoyf's ability, the reminder text will just be inaccurate.
As for Show and Tell, instead, including Planeswalkers would be an errata, something that is not going to happen.
Tarmogoyf's actual text: Tarmogoyf's power is equal to the number of card types among cards in all graveyards and its toughness is equal to that number plus 1..
So it counts card types in the graveyard, period, including the ones that were created after it (hint: planeswalker didn't exist yet whent goyf was first printed. It's reminder text cited them, but they weren't present in the rules yet). If Conspiracy is a card type and they can go to the graveyard, goyf's ability will count them, no errata needed. Goyf would even count planes and schemes if they could go to the grave.
It is not like Show and Tell or Pernicious Deed. It is like Blatant Thievery or Boomerang or Desert Twister- they can affect planeswalkers, because they are permanents. No errata was needed for them.
Creature - Lhurgoyf
Conspirogoyf's power and toughness is = to the number of conspiracies in play or each graveyard.
2, remove a card in any graveyard from the game: Place a +1/+1 counter on Conspirogoyf.
Sometimes the greatest conspiracies are the ones best left alone.
*/*+1
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