Colorless, and non-artifact, is a very rare thing in Magic. Since so much of the game is rooted in the Color Pie. So the idea of a colorless walker, that isn't an Artifact Walker (Karn), is outright not happening anytime soon. There would be too much need for story to even attempt such a thing.
Ugin.
Ugin's magic is also explicitly colorless. Not implicitly colorless.
The mana symbol means you still have to play red to play it.
Aside from that, Brady Dommermuth, back when he was in charge of creative talked a lot about why they didn't put Ghostfire in RotE. The kind of colorless magic that the Eldrazi have is very much tied to their identity of existing outside the color structures. It is what separates them in such a meaningful way from spells like Ghostfire.
Karn Liberated kind of screwed things up, but that was very much an exception to the rule rather than something they're likely to do again. If they hadn't already decided being a Planeswalker overwrites your type with Tezzeret, they very very likely would have made Karn an artifact rather than let him be a contextless non-artifact non-colored spell.
Colorless Garruk is not going to happen. Not even remotely. Black is pretty much certain. Green is... a lot more nebulous.
I also wouldn't wait for a reprint of Liliana of the Veil. The costume they've been using in all their figures hasn't been Liliana's Innistrad costume, and they aren't likely to confuse the issue with two different depictions.
For the same reason, we can almost certainly expect a new Nissa because HER costume has had some cosmetic alterations as well. I'd be okay if Nissa's Chosen was reprinted though.
I actually thought we might see a mono black Garruk. They could leave Liliana out of the core set, input Garruk at black and place Nissa at green. I'm not sure if they would do something like this but it seems plausible. Maybe....
I actually thought we might see a mono black Garruk. They could leave Liliana out of the core set, input Garruk at black and place Nissa at green. I'm not sure if they would do something like this but it seems plausible. Maybe....
Or they could make a better version for "Liliana, of the core Sets". I don't mean make a LotV powerlike but a Liliana close to Chandra, Pyromaster powerlevel. Liliana of the dark realms is super bad. It didn't even saw play when monoblack was a deck so it will never see play. It's only a limited balanced planeswalker.
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I actually thought we might see a mono black Garruk. They could leave Liliana out of the core set, input Garruk at black and place Nissa at green. I'm not sure if they would do something like this but it seems plausible. Maybe....
Despite being entirely plausible this option collides with the hints coming from the Funko and Gentle Giant figures: both collections have exactly the same 6 walkers, with Garruk as the best candidate for the multicolor slot, looking at his greyed-out color (as in his Veil-Cursed ISD version).
Those figures' lineups can be completely unrelated to M15, but I believe the presence of Nissa, Garruk's color and the fect they are releasing 3 months before and 1 month after M15 release date is too strong an hint to ignore :>
I actually thought we might see a mono black Garruk. They could leave Liliana out of the core set, input Garruk at black and place Nissa at green. I'm not sure if they would do something like this but it seems plausible. Maybe....
Despite being entirely plausible this option collides with the hints coming from the Funko and Gentle Giant figures: both collections have exactly the same 6 walkers, with Garruk as the best candidate for the multicolor slot, looking at his greyed-out color (as in his Veil-Cursed ISD version).
Those figures' lineups can be completely unrelated to M15, but I believe the presence of Nissa, Garruk's color and the fect they are releasing 3 months before and 1 month after M15 release date is too strong an hint to ignore :>
The no-fun guess: Garruk will be green, Nissa will not show up til Huey.
Probably.
Also we juat had a new Garruk and was quite a success. He saw enough play. Can they just ditch him after only a year in play and give us a new one?
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The no-fun guess: Garruk will be green, Nissa will not show up til Huey.
Probably.
Also we juat had a new Garruk and was quite a success. He saw enough play. Can they just ditch him after only a year in play and give us a new one?
This might add something:
In the story, Garruk is still cursed. He tussled with Liliana, and she used her powerful Chain Veil artifact on him, leaving him stricken with a black-mana curse that has affected his summoning magic. The curse is now also affecting his mind.
I do think that recent printings of monogreen Garruk in core sets have really confused that issue, making it look like Garruk’s been redeemed and back to green again. We were kind of making “Platonic ideal green Garruk” (for example, Garruk, Caller of Beasts) in the cards, while not wanting the character to have moved on from his curse in the storyline. We want people to enjoy the story the way we think of it in our heads, and that kind of mismatch really doesn’t help. In the future, I hope we’re able to make planeswalker card printings correspond better to the content and chronology of the story.
I really hope Garruk is finally freed from the curse, like when he was almost gone. We could have something like cards that show him cursed, an event tha shows the curse breaking and then 'Garruk, Voice of Freedom'
Green have a lot of Hexproof and regeneration, maybe he can figure something out.
I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt Garruk will remain black, or be any other color than green. I think the curse is done, and they will not change the colors of the original five planeswalkers.
The curse is not yet removed from Garruk. The only reason Big-Garruk was printed mono-green without connection to the Veil-curse is because it was a core-set and don't follow chronological to the main story - granted expansion sets doesn't always follow a chronological line.
Well, the DOTP 2015 trailer is out...and it shows everything rotting and dying around Garruk. If that doesn't spell black in his mana cost, I don't know what does.
He'll be black-green or mono-green. He's too tied to green to not include it, but as Doug said they have realized that the past few printings and the ambiguous end to his story on Innistrad have confuddled the idea that he is still cursed. During the fight depicted in Triumph of Cruelty and Triumph of Ferocity he nearly got Liliana, but the curse caused him to have a spasm or something, giving her the upper hand. He managed to kill all of here zombie friends, but he was so weakened that he succumbed to the curse and madness. When Avacyn cast her spell that turned the werewolves into the wolfir, it also helped to heal Garruk and bring him back from the edge of death. He went to seek out the source of this spell to see if it could cure him entirely, and that's where we were left.
In short, still sick, but still alive. Probably green-black in my mind, since those plants do rot and die around him . . . Can't say that I would not find that interesting.
I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt Garruk will remain black, or be any other color than green. I think the curse is done, and they will not change the colors of the original five planeswalkers.
I really hope Garruk is finally freed from the curse, like when he was almost gone. We could have something like cards that show him cursed, an event tha shows the curse breaking and then 'Garruk, Voice of Freedom'
Green have a lot of Hexproof and regeneration, maybe he can figure something out.
They will advance his character "progression" only in blocks, not in core sets, as they don't have novels and such to explain things like that (they won't use uncharted realms column for something THIS important)
The curse is not yet removed from Garruk. The only reason Big-Garruk was printed mono-green without connection to the Veil-curse is because it was a core-set and don't follow chronological to the main story - granted expansion sets doesn't always follow a chronological line.
Doug says (see the quote above) that going that way was confusing players and don't want that to happen.
They will advance his character "progression" only in blocks, not in core sets, as they don't have novels and such to explain things like that (they won't use uncharted realms column for something THIS important)
Actually, for all appearances they use the Duels of the Planeswalker video games to do it.
It's how they progressed Chandra's story last year and this year looks no different with Garruk.
If they hadn't already decided being a Planeswalker overwrites your type with Tezzeret, they very very likely would have made Karn an artifact rather than let him be a contextless non-artifact non-colored spell.
Nope. The same reasoning applies even without precedence: An artifact planeswalker (lower case) is a bad design decision. The card types will take gameplay into account. Karn is not contextless - Karn is a major character of the block in question. Karn is a returning character. There is plenty of context.
The decision on Tezzeret allows to forgo a new discussion about what to do with Karn, but there is by far not much backing the argument that the outcome of such a discussion would necessarily have to be reversed if Karn had been printed first.
That said I agree with the general vibe of the post. Though there is nothing to say what Ugin would have looked like as a planeswalker card.
Doug says (see the quote above) that going that way was confusing players and don't want that to happen.
I remember reading that. It's a major clue towards Garruk being represented as a (green-)black planeswalker. It makes sense to do so in the "Year of Garruk" as that's the best point in time to make him the "sixth planeswalker" of a Core Set.
If they hadn't already decided being a Planeswalker overwrites your type with Tezzeret, they very very likely would have made Karn an artifact rather than let him be a contextless non-artifact non-colored spell.
Nope. The same reasoning applies even without precedence: An artifact planeswalker (lower case) is a bad design decision. The card types will take gameplay into account. Karn is not contextless - Karn is a major character of the block in question. Karn is a returning character. There is plenty of context.
The decision on Tezzeret allows to forgo a new discussion about what to do with Karn, but there is by far not much backing the argument that the outcome of such a discussion would necessarily have to be reversed if Karn had been printed first.
That said I agree with the general vibe of the post. Though there is nothing to say what Ugin would have looked like as a planeswalker card.
You... didn't really read that post correctly. Nor did you really have to interject there either.
You... didn't really read that post correctly. Nor did you really have to interject there either.
So you didn't say Karn would "very very likely" have been an artifact planeswalker if they hadn't had the Tezzeret precedent? Because that's a statement that is highly dubious. And that's what the quoted part of your argument seems to state as well.
Did you "have to" interject when Valanarch made their post? What is wrong with deciding to reply without being forced?
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Ugin's magic is also explicitly colorless. Not implicitly colorless.
The mana symbol means you still have to play red to play it.
Aside from that, Brady Dommermuth, back when he was in charge of creative talked a lot about why they didn't put Ghostfire in RotE. The kind of colorless magic that the Eldrazi have is very much tied to their identity of existing outside the color structures. It is what separates them in such a meaningful way from spells like Ghostfire.
Karn Liberated kind of screwed things up, but that was very much an exception to the rule rather than something they're likely to do again. If they hadn't already decided being a Planeswalker overwrites your type with Tezzeret, they very very likely would have made Karn an artifact rather than let him be a contextless non-artifact non-colored spell.
Colorless Garruk is not going to happen. Not even remotely. Black is pretty much certain. Green is... a lot more nebulous.
I also wouldn't wait for a reprint of Liliana of the Veil. The costume they've been using in all their figures hasn't been Liliana's Innistrad costume, and they aren't likely to confuse the issue with two different depictions.
For the same reason, we can almost certainly expect a new Nissa because HER costume has had some cosmetic alterations as well. I'd be okay if Nissa's Chosen was reprinted though.
Granted, he could be a tad strong but perhaps making him cost 5cmc isn't out of the order. 6cmc would be a turnoff though.
We all know how powerful Typhoid Rats or Sedge Scorpion is in limited... haha
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Because the transformed side doesn't have a mana cost. Adding one changes what the card is, and they won't do that.
We can only hope :>
Add that that would bring two different cards with the same name, something they won't do. A reprint of ABUR lands in a Core Set seems more likely :>
Or they could make a better version for "Liliana, of the core Sets". I don't mean make a LotV powerlike but a Liliana close to Chandra, Pyromaster powerlevel. Liliana of the dark realms is super bad. It didn't even saw play when monoblack was a deck so it will never see play. It's only a limited balanced planeswalker.
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Despite being entirely plausible this option collides with the hints coming from the Funko and Gentle Giant figures: both collections have exactly the same 6 walkers, with Garruk as the best candidate for the multicolor slot, looking at his greyed-out color (as in his Veil-Cursed ISD version).
Those figures' lineups can be completely unrelated to M15, but I believe the presence of Nissa, Garruk's color and the fect they are releasing 3 months before and 1 month after M15 release date is too strong an hint to ignore :>
Good point. That's a pretty big hint right there.
The real question is, if he's multicolor, will it just be G/B or will they throw in something else?
Probably.
Also we juat had a new Garruk and was quite a success. He saw enough play. Can they just ditch him after only a year in play and give us a new one?
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This might add something:
http://dougbeyermtg.tumblr.com/post/79030355831/is-there-any-chance-of-a-planeswalkers-guide-type-thing
Green have a lot of Hexproof and regeneration, maybe he can figure something out.
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How exactly do you explain the color pallet they are using for branding then?
Purple and grey don't exactly scream "green" to anyone...
Why not?
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
In short, still sick, but still alive. Probably green-black in my mind, since those plants do rot and die around him . . . Can't say that I would not find that interesting.
They will advance his character "progression" only in blocks, not in core sets, as they don't have novels and such to explain things like that (they won't use uncharted realms column for something THIS important)
Doug says (see the quote above) that going that way was confusing players and don't want that to happen.
Actually, for all appearances they use the Duels of the Planeswalker video games to do it.
It's how they progressed Chandra's story last year and this year looks no different with Garruk.
Nope. The same reasoning applies even without precedence: An artifact planeswalker (lower case) is a bad design decision. The card types will take gameplay into account. Karn is not contextless - Karn is a major character of the block in question. Karn is a returning character. There is plenty of context.
The decision on Tezzeret allows to forgo a new discussion about what to do with Karn, but there is by far not much backing the argument that the outcome of such a discussion would necessarily have to be reversed if Karn had been printed first.
That said I agree with the general vibe of the post. Though there is nothing to say what Ugin would have looked like as a planeswalker card.
I remember reading that. It's a major clue towards Garruk being represented as a (green-)black planeswalker. It makes sense to do so in the "Year of Garruk" as that's the best point in time to make him the "sixth planeswalker" of a Core Set.
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You... didn't really read that post correctly. Nor did you really have to interject there either.
So you didn't say Karn would "very very likely" have been an artifact planeswalker if they hadn't had the Tezzeret precedent? Because that's a statement that is highly dubious. And that's what the quoted part of your argument seems to state as well.
Did you "have to" interject when Valanarch made their post? What is wrong with deciding to reply without being forced?
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
Factions: Sleeping
Remnants: Valheim
Legendary Journey: Heroes & Planeswalkers
Saga: Shards of Rabiah
Legends: The Elder Dragons
Read up on Red Flags & NWO