In an article on DailyMTG entitled Born of the Gods Prerelease primer Mike McArtor says this:
Okay, so let's talk about the seeded booster pack. Your seeded booster pack contains lots of cards of the color that corresponds to the destiny you choose, but—and this is important!—not every card in the pack is in that color. So if you choose to be Destined to Dominate (because black is the best color—oops, bias!) your seeded booster pack will contain mostly black cards, but it will also have cards from the other colors. Note that it is possible to get a multicolor God for your chosen color in your seeded booster pack but no other mythic rares.
This most likely means that it is possible to get Mogis in the black prerelease pack, and probably not in the red prerelease pack. This would mean that the other black planeswalker, Phenax, God of Deception, will likely only appear in the blue packs, rather than the black ones, and extrapolating this further, Ephara, God of the Polis will likely be in white, Karametra, God of Harvests in green, and Xenagos, God of Revels in red.
This most likely means that it is possible to get Mogis in the black prerelease pack, and probably not in the red prerelease pack. [...]
That definitely means you can pull out these:
- R seeded booster: Mogis or Xenagos
- B seeded booster: Mogis or Phenax
- U seeded booster: Ephara or Phenax
- W seeded booster: Ephara or Karemetra
- G seeded booster: Xenagos or Karemetra
You have to realize that for each mythic you can pull Wizards has to make 7 rare seeded boosters. They haven't overlapped rares and so the chance of you being able to get 2 different mythics in one color is very low. It's very likely that each god is only available to 1 color.
You have to realize that for each mythic you can pull Wizards has to make 7 rare seeded boosters. They haven't overlapped rares and so the chance of you being able to get 2 different mythics in one color is very low. It's very likely that each god is only available to 1 color.
Except its stated otherwise. Wishful thinking deosn't turn wishes into facts.
I dont think that you are able to get 2 different gods of each pack, assuming the latest pre-pack-builds, I believe there is only one god for each color.
Again: why do you believe this while Wizards says clearly that you can?
Just look and read. They say it is possible to get a god. They dont give any more detailed information about that. They neither say, that it is possible to get only one god by color nor they say that you have the chance of each god that shares a color with your selection.
But with the information we had regarding, how the pack were done last times, I strongly assume, that there is only one possible. And since you can get Mogis in B, its simply shifted to:
B: Mogis
U: Phenax
W: Ephara
G: Karametra
R: Xenagos
So if you say, that wizard clearly says you can get both gods, then please quote the exact phrase.
Oh man, they say a god because you can pull one card that is a god, not 10.
BTW they don't just say "a god", they say "a multicolor God for your chosen color" that is completely different, as you have two candidates fitting that description for each color. That is what that phrase means, I don't have to quote something else, that's completely clear as it is.
Just look and read. They say it is possible to get a god. They dont give any more detailed information about that. They neither say, that it is possible to get only one god by color nor they say that you have the chance of each god that shares a color with your selection.
But with the information we had regarding, how the pack were done last times, I strongly assume, that there is only one possible. And since you can get Mogis in B, its simply shifted to:
B: Mogis
U: Phenax
W: Ephara
G: Karametra
R: Xenagos
So if you say, that wizard clearly says you can get both gods, then please quote the exact phrase.
What are you on about? Besides, of what I can make from your post, you're misinterpreting the article by McArtor; you are reading what you want to read, believing what you want to believe. However, that isn't the truth or a valid interpretation of the position of McArtor or his words. If anything, you should provide evidence in support of what you are saying because it is a bigger stretch than the possibility of receiving only one god per colour. A more appropriate interpretation would be that - oh, never mind; here:
Oh man, they say a god because you can pull one card that is a god, not 10.
BTW they don't just say "a god", they say "a multicolor God for your chosen color" that is completely different, as you have two candidates fitting that description for each color. That is what that phrase means, I don't have to quote something else, that's completely clear as it is.
That is more reasonable than the possibility of only receiving one god per colour, as, indeed, there are two gods that comply with the condition 'of the colour'.
Now, none of us (including you) have any real evidence other than that vague paragraph. We won't know for sure until the pre-release.
We can all agree to this. However,
Not, it's not "completely clear" because you're misreading the sentence. You're drawing conclusions based on no real evidence in the words.
They say in that article that there is a possibility of drawing a god that matches your colours. That doesn't mean you have a chance of multiple gods, it just means that you have a chance of drawing a god, and that god will match your colours. If black gets Mogis, and only Mogis, it won't render that sentence invalid - black will have a chance of drawing a god, and that god (Mogis) will share its colours.
I do think you have read and interpreted Joneleth Irenicus's post properly. Joneleth is suggesting that, for the black pack, for instance, you can pull either a Mogis or Phenax. He (or she) isn't suggesting that you could pull multiple gods in a given pack, though.
In any case, how does Mogis share its colours with black? Black is black; it most definitely doesn't share red with Mogis.
Wizards print good rares, players complain about cash grab. They print underwhelming rares, players complain that the cards suck. They spoil the best cards first, players complain about the insane prices of preorders. They spoil the meh cards first, players complain that this is the worst set ever.
So. I think I understand now.
As far as these forums are concerned, WotC can never do anything good because:
Card that is new and probably good = "pushed"
Card that is new and probably bad = "EDH/casual fodder"
Card that is a reprint = "lazy"
Card that is a better version of an older card = "power creep"
Card that is a weaker version of an older card = "worthless"
I'd avoid picking the white more than the others, because it's the only color with access to two of the rare lands. The gods are divided evenly between colors.
I think it is possible to pull a god in any of the seeded boosters that share a color with it. Why? Because of this statement, but also because there are only 6 rares of a color.
For RTR, GTC & THS there were 8 seeded boosters. If you want to make 8 seeded booster packs per color, you have 8 rare slots to fill. With a large set that is not too hard, but with a small set (BNG is the first small set with seeded boosters), you're having a tougher time. BNG only has 6 on color rares, and no dual color rares. To get to 8, you get those 6 on-color rares and the 2 gods that share a color with it.
until now you didnt get the promo card twice in a booster, which means there are only 5 possible rares. you can add a dual land as 6th choice and the two gods of colour or only one god and a random rare artifact as 8th slot, both is possible.
the thing is 2 gods mean 25% chance of getting a mythic in the seeded booster which is kind of crazy and makes me doubt it a bit, because wizards tried to make good cards less and less available in prereleases(emrakul anyone?)
You're assuming that each pack will appear with the same frequency.
They could easily skew the odds by producing more packs that contain the rares than packs that contain the gods.
Look, if we have 8 seeded packs, and one has a mythic. That means either 1 in 8 seeded packs we get a Xenagos in red, or there is a 1 in 16 chance of getting Xenagos in red. And 1 in 8 of getting a god. Which means red is going to be SO BROKEN. with the best 2 gods other than Phenax in limited, plus the arguably best promo. I don't think wizards is hoping to let this happen.
He never said the rare is in your chosen color, so, according to the way some of you think we should read things we will probably find off color rares in the seeded pack...
Whose to say that this isn't all misdirection and you can only get Mogis from the red seeded booster? Let's just wait and see (heck we'll probably look back in a months time and laugh about the fact that no one realised Ephara was the most expensive god or something).
He never said the rare is in your chosen color, so, according to the way some of you think we should read things we will probably find off color rares in the seeded pack...
Hey, he never even said the seeded pack cards should be from BNG, so technically they can be from any set, like for example, Future Sight. Oh my god! Tarmgoyf in seeded packs!
Being serious, what the text suggests is that you could get either Xenagos or Mogis in a red pack, but I'm more inclined to think they'll put only one of them in red packs. Logistically it makes more sense, as others have pointed.
Hey, he never even said the seeded pack cards should be from BNG, so technically they can be from any set, like for example, Future Sight. Oh my god! Tarmgoyf in seeded packs!
Being serious, what the text suggests is that you could get either Xenagos or Mogis in a red pack, but I'm more inclined to think they'll put only one of them in red packs. Logistically it makes more sense, as others have pointed.
Logistically speaking its exactly the same for them :>
its also possible that Wizards doesn't want to officially publicize that the seeded boosters only have X different configurations to them. It would cheapen the pre-release experience to the players who weren't already aware of it, if wizards just came out and said "yeah everyone who opens Hero of Lena Tower will get the exact same commons and uncommons in the pack."
At the same time, it's also possible that Mike McArtor isn't fully aware of WotC's exact printing process for the seeded boosters. If the information he was given in regards to writing the primer article was "the only mythics you can get in the seeded booster are the gods", he doesn't exactly have a lot of info to go with, does he?
The evidence from the last three seeded prereleases still point to there being exactly 1 mythic and 7 rare boosters. It would be strange, and questionable, for them to change their existing formula at this point.
Or they make only 7 seeded booster versions...or 6...
Or you can get an off-color rare since they make it explicit, that not all cards are from the chosen color and there is - as far as i see - no explicit restriction to rarity.
Just because they "always did it this way" doesn't mean they have to do it eternally in the future.
Wait and see on Friday/Saturday/Sunday...
Well they generally do 8 seeded boosters, as far as I can tell, to keep the chances of pulling a mythic equal to 1 in 8, as with normal boosters. Of course this is complicated by the fact that this is a small set. It is quite possible that the situation Togaras presented will end up being true:
- 1 of 8 for the god
- 1 of 8 for either a land (in 3 colors) or an artifact (in the other 2 colors)
- 5 of 8 for getting a rare different to your promo
- 1 of 8 for getting a second copy of your promo
However, getting a second copy of your promo seems kind of lame to me but it seems much more probable than seeing offcolor rares I suppose. I mean ultimately we'll just have to wait til prerelease to see what happens.
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http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/284
And underneath has a picture of Mogis, God of Slaughter with a checkmark over and and a picture of Champion of Stray Souls with an X through it.
This most likely means that it is possible to get Mogis in the black prerelease pack, and probably not in the red prerelease pack. This would mean that the other black planeswalker, Phenax, God of Deception, will likely only appear in the blue packs, rather than the black ones, and extrapolating this further, Ephara, God of the Polis will likely be in white, Karametra, God of Harvests in green, and Xenagos, God of Revels in red.
That definitely means you can pull out these:
- R seeded booster: Mogis or Xenagos
- B seeded booster: Mogis or Phenax
- U seeded booster: Ephara or Phenax
- W seeded booster: Ephara or Karemetra
- G seeded booster: Xenagos or Karemetra
Except its stated otherwise. Wishful thinking deosn't turn wishes into facts.
Again: why do you believe this while Wizards says clearly that you can?
Oh man, they say a god because you can pull one card that is a god, not 10.
BTW they don't just say "a god", they say "a multicolor God for your chosen color" that is completely different, as you have two candidates fitting that description for each color. That is what that phrase means, I don't have to quote something else, that's completely clear as it is.
What are you on about? Besides, of what I can make from your post, you're misinterpreting the article by McArtor; you are reading what you want to read, believing what you want to believe. However, that isn't the truth or a valid interpretation of the position of McArtor or his words. If anything, you should provide evidence in support of what you are saying because it is a bigger stretch than the possibility of receiving only one god per colour. A more appropriate interpretation would be that - oh, never mind; here:
That is more reasonable than the possibility of only receiving one god per colour, as, indeed, there are two gods that comply with the condition 'of the colour'.
No, it doesn't. There are other hypotheses that could be exhausted before it most likely means that Mogis is solely in the black prerelease pack.
Besides, it is only for the sake of example.
However, if there is only one god per colour, this would be reasonable.
We can all agree to this. However,
I do think you have read and interpreted Joneleth Irenicus's post properly. Joneleth is suggesting that, for the black pack, for instance, you can pull either a Mogis or Phenax. He (or she) isn't suggesting that you could pull multiple gods in a given pack, though.
In any case, how does Mogis share its colours with black? Black is black; it most definitely doesn't share red with Mogis.
okay, i quoted it here, so you guys can see we can't make any assumption.
Decks:
Standard:
Gruul aggro
Modern:
MonoG infect
Edh:
Nekusar, Too bad you have to discard your deck at the end step.
Casual:
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Dimir mill
I'll have you know when I saw Phenax spoiled,
I cried for only 20 minutes.
For RTR, GTC & THS there were 8 seeded boosters. If you want to make 8 seeded booster packs per color, you have 8 rare slots to fill. With a large set that is not too hard, but with a small set (BNG is the first small set with seeded boosters), you're having a tougher time. BNG only has 6 on color rares, and no dual color rares. To get to 8, you get those 6 on-color rares and the 2 gods that share a color with it.
You're assuming that each pack will appear with the same frequency.
They could easily skew the odds by producing more packs that contain the rares than packs that contain the gods.
Decks:
Standard:
Gruul aggro
Modern:
MonoG infect
Edh:
Nekusar, Too bad you have to discard your deck at the end step.
Casual:
I'm trying to make tibalt work guys!
Dimir mill
I'll have you know when I saw Phenax spoiled,
I cried for only 20 minutes.
Hey, he never even said the seeded pack cards should be from BNG, so technically they can be from any set, like for example, Future Sight. Oh my god! Tarmgoyf in seeded packs!
Being serious, what the text suggests is that you could get either Xenagos or Mogis in a red pack, but I'm more inclined to think they'll put only one of them in red packs. Logistically it makes more sense, as others have pointed.
Logistically speaking its exactly the same for them :>
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At the same time, it's also possible that Mike McArtor isn't fully aware of WotC's exact printing process for the seeded boosters. If the information he was given in regards to writing the primer article was "the only mythics you can get in the seeded booster are the gods", he doesn't exactly have a lot of info to go with, does he?
The evidence from the last three seeded prereleases still point to there being exactly 1 mythic and 7 rare boosters. It would be strange, and questionable, for them to change their existing formula at this point.
Well they generally do 8 seeded boosters, as far as I can tell, to keep the chances of pulling a mythic equal to 1 in 8, as with normal boosters. Of course this is complicated by the fact that this is a small set. It is quite possible that the situation Togaras presented will end up being true:
However, getting a second copy of your promo seems kind of lame to me but it seems much more probable than seeing offcolor rares I suppose. I mean ultimately we'll just have to wait til prerelease to see what happens.