So at the time of writing this 4 of the 5 have been spoiled I think I know what the last is going to be It's going to be the blue/black god Phenax whom we know like nothing about
Ephara W/U
Karamertra W/G
Xenagos R/G
Mogis R/B
Thats 2 with White 2 with Green and 2 with Red only 1 has blue and one has black Phenax would even that out soooo idk Theros is my first brand new set I started playing in August little before M13 rotated so I may be totally off thoughts?
I really hope it isn't some mill crap, that's all they seem to give UB, milling and ways to use it(see Dimir leader and Ashiok, though Ashiok isn't bad).
UB is one of my favorite color combos, and while both mono U and mono B are teir 1 decks, UB is still nothing. I also think a powerful Phenax would actually be GOOD for the people complaining about mono-B dominance, as UB control would be fantastic against mono black. Phenax could also enable UB aggro if he is low costed(the deck would need a UB two drop though). UB aggro probably wouldn't make people happy, it would just replace mono B. I would like it and switch to it though (currently playing RG devotion)
I have a feeling he will cost 3, like Thassa---basically the god of sneakiness, so that would be cool (and it'd be weird to have Thassa the only one costing 3...)
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aside from saying we've already known forever that it was going to be Phenax, UB God, here's my take on what his ability might be.
'Whenever an opponent discards a card, target creature that opponent controls gets -X/-X where X is the discarded card's converted mana cost until end of turn.'
if Disciple of Phenax is any indication, he'd be involved in opponents discarding. and it seems like 'infesting' creatures is a heavily used tool in black this set, so would fit very nicely with his persona.
aside from saying we've already known forever that it was going to be Phenax, UB God, here's my take on what his ability might be.
'Whenever an opponent discards a card, target creature that opponent controls gets -X/-X where X is the discarded card's converted mana cost until end of turn.'
if Disciple of Phenax is any indication, he'd be involved in opponents discarding. and it seems like 'infesting' creatures is a heavily used tool in black this set, so would fit very nicely with his persona.
If they make him mill, il be pissed. I mean, in rtr block, dimir was the mill guild. Come theros, we got the mill walker. UB IS CONTROL TO WIZARDS. ITS AN AWESOME CONTROL COMBO. MILL IS NOT ALL IT IS GOOD FOR.
That comment from leslak makes me think someone knows something, and that it has to do with "When an opponent discards a card..." or, optionally, "When.... target creature an opponent controls gets -x/-x until end of turn."
I'd bet on the former, but I won't lie, I had my heart set on a novel ability like "Opponent plays with the top card of their library revealed . . . something something." I don't *think* we've seen that yet, and it fits deception and stealth so well. AND even plays well with mill!
The latter ability seems entirely possible, but imo less to do with UB and more to do with maybe GB's Pharika (medusae).
anything we can get from the art? Birds and a closed fist of doom, and he is a Returned sorta looking dude. IMO he is the coolest looking God, but Im prolly biased towards UB.
The ravens in the art make me think of mind shatter, but that is not really based in any evidence, just reminds me of it lol.
any guesses??
I would really love to know the story of Phenax being/becoming a God
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The true mind can weather all the lies and illusions without being lost. The true heart can tough the poison of hatred without being harmed. Since beginning-less time, darkness thrives in the void but always yields to purifying light.
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
Consensus on another thread suggested those were Harpies instead of birds, based on UB's Shipwreck Singer and the story involving Ashiok and Phenax where he stated his interest in Harpies.
What about:
"Whenever an opponent discards a card, place a 2/2 Blue and black harpy token with flying into play." Seems a bit less awesome than I'd hoped, but it's a possibility I guess.
There could even be a second ability that ties into it, "During combat, target attacking creature gets -x/-x where x is the number of harpies you control." or something strange like that.
I feel like that's way out in left wing though (that's a harpy joke there, badum-ching!)
Thinking about it, Black is definitely heavy on discard this block, Disciple of Phenax, as stated by other posters, is a Discard card. Heck, even some of UB was discardy last block. It almost certainly ties in somehow (but I hope it doesn't step on Waste Not's toes too much).
Consensus on another thread suggested those were Harpies instead of birds, based on UB's Shipwreck Singer and the story involving Ashiok and Phenax where he stated his interest in Harpies.
What about:
"Whenever an opponent discards a card, place a 2/2 Blue and black harpy token with flying into play." Seems a bit less awesome than I'd hoped, but it's a possibility I guess.
There could even be a second ability that ties into it, "During combat, target attacking creature gets -x/-x where x is the number of harpies you control." or something strange like that.
I feel like that's way out in left wing though (that's a harpy joke there, badum-ching!)
Thinking about it, Black is definitely heavy on discard this block, Disciple of Phenax, as stated by other posters, is a Discard card. Heck, even some of UB was discardy last block. It almost certainly ties in somehow (but I hope it doesn't step on Waste Not's toes too much).
~DD
was the story with ashiok on a creative article from the mothership?? I missed some of those..Very Interested though.
I hope it is something that get online quickly or immediately affects the board, the way thassa is capable of working. Uber cool but slow enchantments always make me sad..
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The true mind can weather all the lies and illusions without being lost. The true heart can tough the poison of hatred without being harmed. Since beginning-less time, darkness thrives in the void but always yields to purifying light.
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
As far as discard-related abilities go,
I still like my first idea best-
"Whenever an opponent discards a card, exile it.
You may play cards exiled with Phenax using any color of mana."
(not sure how to word this so it allows both land stealing and casting with any color)
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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As far as discard-related abilities go,
I still like my first idea best-
"Whenever an opponent discards a card, exile it.
You may play cards exiled with Phenax using any color of mana."
(not sure how to word this so it allows both land stealing and casting with any color)
That would be interesting. A possible wording: You may put any card exiled in this way into play, using any mana for its cost. Lands don't cost anything to play, so you could play them
Edit: or it could be put into play for free.
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As far as discard-related abilities go,
I still like my first idea best-
"Whenever an opponent discards a card, exile it.
You may play cards exiled with Phenax using any color of mana."
(not sure how to word this so it allows both land stealing and casting with any color)
This. This and more of this. Lots and lots of THIS! would be so....THIS! haha
for serious though....this. Dont know about the wording for sure...
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The true mind can weather all the lies and illusions without being lost. The true heart can tough the poison of hatred without being harmed. Since beginning-less time, darkness thrives in the void but always yields to purifying light.
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
Coming from a flavor stand point, it's likely that Phenax's title will be the god of deceit, and in the Uncharted Realms article in which he was featured, he was able to make him self invisible while he watched what Ashiok was doing. I'd put my money on him involving unblockability. Perhaps it will be something like "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may have target creature gain "can't be blocked" and "when this creature deals combat damage to an opponent, that player discards a card." The specter ability could be good.
I'm more inclined to believe, however, that it will involve milling but won't be directly involved in it. Perhaps something like "Whenever an opponent puts a card in a graveyard from anywhere, you may draw a card." That'd give UB control decks a way to pull ahead in card advantage, it still works casually with mill, and would be the nuts in Commander.
I'd be willing to guess something with an ability along the lines of "At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, that player may discard a card. If they don't, you may draw a card." The other gods seem pretty powerful, and I don't think mill would be fitting or powerful in this guy.
When are we expecting his spoiler? I hope we don't have to wait till the week before...
My guess is he will be spoiled early next week as he is one of the few remaining mythics to be revealed. Usually the week of the prerelease the full set is spoiled so people can have an idea of the cards going into the prerelease.
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Ephara W/U
Karamertra W/G
Xenagos R/G
Mogis R/B
Thats 2 with White 2 with Green and 2 with Red only 1 has blue and one has black Phenax would even that out soooo idk Theros is my first brand new set I started playing in August little before M13 rotated so I may be totally off thoughts?
I just hope it isn't some janky mill b/s
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UB is one of my favorite color combos, and while both mono U and mono B are teir 1 decks, UB is still nothing. I also think a powerful Phenax would actually be GOOD for the people complaining about mono-B dominance, as UB control would be fantastic against mono black. Phenax could also enable UB aggro if he is low costed(the deck would need a UB two drop though). UB aggro probably wouldn't make people happy, it would just replace mono B. I would like it and switch to it though (currently playing RG devotion)
'Whenever an opponent discards a card, target creature that opponent controls gets -X/-X where X is the discarded card's converted mana cost until end of turn.'
if Disciple of Phenax is any indication, he'd be involved in opponents discarding. and it seems like 'infesting' creatures is a heavily used tool in black this set, so would fit very nicely with his persona.
It is close but no.
so you know exactly what he does??
That comment from leslak makes me think someone knows something, and that it has to do with "When an opponent discards a card..." or, optionally, "When.... target creature an opponent controls gets -x/-x until end of turn."
I'd bet on the former, but I won't lie, I had my heart set on a novel ability like "Opponent plays with the top card of their library revealed . . . something something." I don't *think* we've seen that yet, and it fits deception and stealth so well. AND even plays well with mill!
The latter ability seems entirely possible, but imo less to do with UB and more to do with maybe GB's Pharika (medusae).
~DD
anything we can get from the art? Birds and a closed fist of doom, and he is a Returned sorta looking dude. IMO he is the coolest looking God, but Im prolly biased towards UB.
The ravens in the art make me think of mind shatter, but that is not really based in any evidence, just reminds me of it lol.
Disciples of phenax also has to deal with discard in a blackmaily/coerciony way
any guesses??
I would really love to know the story of Phenax being/becoming a God
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
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What about:
"Whenever an opponent discards a card, place a 2/2 Blue and black harpy token with flying into play." Seems a bit less awesome than I'd hoped, but it's a possibility I guess.
There could even be a second ability that ties into it, "During combat, target attacking creature gets -x/-x where x is the number of harpies you control." or something strange like that.
I feel like that's way out in left wing though (that's a harpy joke there, badum-ching!)
Thinking about it, Black is definitely heavy on discard this block, Disciple of Phenax, as stated by other posters, is a Discard card. Heck, even some of UB was discardy last block. It almost certainly ties in somehow (but I hope it doesn't step on Waste Not's toes too much).
~DD
was the story with ashiok on a creative article from the mothership?? I missed some of those..Very Interested though.
I hope it is something that get online quickly or immediately affects the board, the way thassa is capable of working. Uber cool but slow enchantments always make me sad..
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
I still like my first idea best-
"Whenever an opponent discards a card, exile it.
You may play cards exiled with Phenax using any color of mana."
(not sure how to word this so it allows both land stealing and casting with any color)
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EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
That would be interesting. A possible wording: You may put any card exiled in this way into play, using any mana for its cost. Lands don't cost anything to play, so you could play them
Edit: or it could be put into play for free.
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
This. This and more of this. Lots and lots of THIS! would be so....THIS! haha
for serious though....this. Dont know about the wording for sure...
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
I'm more inclined to believe, however, that it will involve milling but won't be directly involved in it. Perhaps something like "Whenever an opponent puts a card in a graveyard from anywhere, you may draw a card." That'd give UB control decks a way to pull ahead in card advantage, it still works casually with mill, and would be the nuts in Commander.
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My guess is he will be spoiled early next week as he is one of the few remaining mythics to be revealed. Usually the week of the prerelease the full set is spoiled so people can have an idea of the cards going into the prerelease.
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans