Where are we getting Xenagos as the R/G god? The implication is Xenagos wants to be all of the gods. He's evil and crazy and, specifically, a threat to Heliod.
The original assumption that Xenagos was going to be a God was because he had a full title. But we've seen that Full Title on a card already, so Xenagos, The Reveler can't be him as a god.
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The arts in question, attached (of Xenagos as a god, and Iroas etc.)
Kirblar's analysis seems sound, though I hold out hope for Kiora being that G/U Mythic in BNG.
What do people think about them mechanically? I think Hybrid might work well for the lesser gods. Maybe smaller mana costs, smaller size? (since the Theros 5 are supposed to be the big ones and double-devotion would make the lesser gods easier to activate.)
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that's not what happened at all. kamahl stabbed phage, akroma, and some old lady and they became korona. then korona got stabbed by her "prophets" and kamahl got drunk with a mutant centaur
This all assumes that Ajani is a G/W planeswalker and there is nothing to say this is the case. Wizards write up on Ajani on their website says he is white aligned and baring his early angry phase that is the way he is. Therefore I think we will see Kiora Atu as a U/G mythic in Born of the Gods and Ajani being a white mythic in Journey into Nyx.
That makes the list of Gods given probably correct and the U/G mythic being solved in the second set, and the U/G God being in the third set.
The arts in question, attached (of Xenagos as a god, and Iroas etc.)
No, I get that we see him as a God and we know he's Green/Red. My question is why do we assume he's the Green/Red god? It doesn't fit with the plotline, unless he offs the current Green/Red god off screen.
We know Xenagos is not the Red/Green god right now. Which means there's currently a red/green god. Why are we assuming that he'll fill the Red/Green god slot, rather than the current guy?
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No, I get that we see him as a God and we know he's Green/Red. My question is why do we assume he's the Green/Red god? It doesn't fit with the plotline, unless he offs the current Green/Red god off screen.
We know Xenagos is not the Red/Green god right now. Which means there's currently a red/green god. Why are we assuming that he'll fill the Red/Green god slot, rather than the current guy?
We don't know that there is a current guy.
Nothing in the flavor text points to another RG figure of prominence.
As Thoctar noted, there is no reference to a current R/ god.
And in fact...
"Why pray to the gods, who feed on your worship? Dissolve your illusions and see the true nature of things."
—Xenagos, the Reveler - Annul
Though, there's also:
"None can own the land's bounty. The gods made this world for all to share its riches. And I'm not just saying that because you caught me stealing your fruit." - Voyaging Satyr
So it's unclear what the Satyrs' relationship with the gods is. Xenagos sounds anti-God there, but maybe that's just him wanting to set up as the only God. Regardless, even in the Planeswalker's Guide there's no reference to a G/R god, so perhaps it's a position that remains open (perfect for Xenny boy).
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that's not what happened at all. kamahl stabbed phage, akroma, and some old lady and they became korona. then korona got stabbed by her "prophets" and kamahl got drunk with a mutant centaur
We claim he is a god, because the image is of him as a god.
We think there is no R/G god already because every god has been mentioned multiple times except a 10th one, and the others fit all the spots that aren't R/G.
As for the other BNG god image being Iroas though, do we have proof that it is him? The reason why I say that, is why would Akros be the greatest followers of Iroas who is a centaur, but centaurs would barely follow him since they aren't red/white?
I have a feeling that good Tritons = blue or white/blue and aligned with Meletis, but we will see that the red/blue faction may be evil Tritons outside of Meletis, black/blue will be the Asphodel Returned (not the evil Odunos camp which is red/black), and green/white is the good Lagonna band centaurs sometimes aligned with Setessa, green/blue or green/red (with satyrs) is the colors of the evil Pheres centaurs.
EDIT: Yeah nevermind, Iroas is the centaur god in the back of the art of the Priest of Iroas card.
I cannot speak for all this theorizing.. all I can say is ... I cant wait for the UR god!
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that's not what happened at all. kamahl stabbed phage, akroma, and some old lady and they became korona. then korona got stabbed by her "prophets" and kamahl got drunk with a mutant centaur
Anyone think that we won't see xenegos as a god until nyx?
Think about it:
Theros: introduction
Born: ascendence
Nyx: epic final showdown (of ultimate destiny)
He ascends, not necessarily off camera but on non-planeswalker/god cards (ie like elspeth is featured on plenty of white commons/uncommons etc) and threatens the pantheon, which leads to heliod begging for elspeth(an ajani?)'s help.
Act 3; xenegos has taken over the pantheon and elspeth and ajani have to storm the fort to rescue the gods and save theros from utter chaos/destruction.
Makes more sense in any storyline way. More exciting.
Which leads to my second idea, the god split.
Its highly unlikely that xenegos even as a god-walker could take on all 15 gods, but with a handful (5) minor gods that are sick of being pushed around or disrespected compared to more major gods, love chaos and destruction, or foresee that it is a losing battle and join the winning side they join xenegos. The 5 god in nyx are, if not on xenegos' side persay, aren't against his coup on heliod, while the 5 gods in born are on the side of the big 5. (Which let's face it, if those are the "powerful" gods... yeah xenegos has them beat hard)
Going with this, my predictions are:
Born:
R/W iroas
U/R keranos
W/G kerametra
G/B pharika
U/B phenax
As for the other BNG god image being Iroas though, do we have proof that it is him? The reason why I say that, is why would Akros be the greatest followers of Iroas who is a centaur, but centaurs would barely follow him since they aren't red/white?
EDIT: Yeah nevermind, Iroas is the centaur god in the back of the art of the Priest of Iroas card.
There's also the fact that in the Centaur god is standing in front of the obelisk in the Temple of Triumph art.
Anyone think that we won't see xenegos as a god until nyx?
Think about it:
Theros: introduction
Born: ascendence
Nyx: epic final showdown (of ultimate destiny)
I thought about that too, but the very art that confirms that he becomes a god in the first place is from BNG. It's likely that that's his card art.
I thought about that too, but the very art that confirms that he becomes a god in the first place is from BNG. It's likely that that's his card art.
I dunno... its possible, and probably very likely so, but at the same time it might just be fatpack art (certainly epic lookin enough) or awesome-sauce sorcery art depicting his ascension, something epic like an ultimatum almost.
Id be fine either way, but my storyline narrative senses are tingling all over this.
Then again dragon's maze goes to show just how much of a rat's ass they give about a good story.
Zen block: alright, that works
Scars: cool, kinda wanna see what happens next
Inn: well uh alrighty angels everywhere all of a sudden
Rtr: guild feuds, guildless riots, war in the streets, nah ends with a ****ty gameshow done in a piss-poor manner
Edit: I'm not denying he becomes a god in born, in fact that's exactly what I meant by saying he ascends during then. All I'm saying is I don't think we'll see the card version of him as a god until nyx. Kinda like all the praetor references throughout scars block to see them in nph. They could've been in besieged (and probably would've had mirrodin pure been real) but save the epic baddies until the final act. Especially in a block about the mythical hero trope id be ashamed if the epic showdown didn't all come together in the final set.
You guys think God Xenagos will look like his Planeswalker counterpart or something different?
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which leads to heliod begging for elspeth(an ajani?)'s help.
That doesn't make a lot of sense, since elspeth is already 'Sun's champion', and is going around Theros doing heroic things as 'The Champion' that appears in a lot of flavor text.
Elspeth calling in Ajani once things get hairy (satyr hairy) does seem to make sense.
I agree that Xenagos, the god isn't a lock for BNG.
He may be there, but he may also be in NYX,
as we have art in both.
They could very well mention his ascendancy in BNG, but not give us the God Card until set 3-
that allows some anticipation to build from people who *aren't* reading about leaks on forums
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So, opening up even more area for discussion, let's assume that the minor gods follow the general formula for the first five, except they have 2 colored mana symbols instead of one. What do you guys think they'll do? Will they have items like the first five?
I don't think its in Elspeth's nature to ask for help.
That's one of her major flaws, she never asks for help, even when it would be a good idea.
But it is in Ajani's nature to help others.
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So, opening up even more area for discussion, let's assume that the minor gods follow the general formula for the first five, except they have 2 colored mana symbols instead of one. What do you guys think they'll do? Will they have items like the first five?
Mmmmmmmaybe.
It would help to make the Gods feel consistent and powerful. Even though the 10 gold gods are supposedly 'lesser' to the 5 monos, I doubt they would think so, nor their worshippers.
On the flip side, dedicating an additional 5 cards per set to these designs would eat up a lot of design/card space that I'm not sure they have, espeically since both sets are small sets.
We'll have to wait and see.
I kind of want more, because I like the first five...
Mmmmmmmaybe.
It would help to make the Gods feel consistent and powerful. Even though the 10 gold gods are supposedly 'lesser' to the 5 monos, I doubt they would think so, nor their worshippers.
I dunno if they want to go for the ancient greek feel, there would be nothing strange with gods accepting their place in a hierarchy. Not to mention all the semi-godly things like muses, nymphs and the like. And sticking to that theme, worshippers would worship different gods depending on the occasion.
I can't see the gods-as-creatures-devotion mechanism translated very well into two colours. But maybe that only aply to BNG. Since I could definetly see devotion as well as bestow droped in Nyx, if the artspoilers show what I think they do: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10764634&postcount=41
They may make a hybrid mana symbol devotion GU, and make the dual color gods less powerful to make up for the fact that devotion is easier to hit (e.g. lower power and toughness). And they can add something into the rules about how you can only count a mana symbol once, even if it's a hybrid mana symbol (or else Boros Reckoner would be insane with Iroas).
I really just want them to fill the roles of their colors well. I think the Golgari one would be a great Reanimator engine, especially if tailored with something like "1BG: Return target creature or enchantment from your graveyard to your hand." Izzet's God could copy spells, Boros could be really good for combat, etc. I'm going to assume they'll be mythic as well. I'm wondering if we will see devotion at all on these guys. I think it could be difficult to set up, so maybe these Gods will have regular casting costs varying on the power of their abilities. That, or I guess they could do hybrid devotion and only give them one ability each to make up for it. Or make them weaker, like 3/3's and such.
Also, I don't think Xenagos is the red/green god. I'm sure we will see the Gruul God before Xenagos tries to take over, just to make the cycle fair.
I can't see the gods-as-creatures-devotion mechanism translated very well into two colours. But maybe that only aply to BNG. Since I could definetly see devotion as well as bestow droped in Nyx, if the artspoilers show what I think they do: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10764634&postcount=41
Doubt it.
We've been told that 5 are in Born and 5 in Journey, and it doesn't make a lot of sense to have some of the Gods work differently than the rest.
Doubt it.
We've been told that 5 are in Born and 5 in Journey, and it doesn't make a lot of sense to have some of the Gods work differently than the rest.
UG is a god of horizons, so it will likely be some sort of land fetch ability. Therefore we can be relatively certain that although the multicolored gods will play well with the Ravnican guilds, they will not be enablers.
The RW god is a god of war, I fully expect it to either on it own, or by its weapon, grant double strike to your creatures in one way or another.
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The original assumption that Xenagos was going to be a God was because he had a full title. But we've seen that Full Title on a card already, so Xenagos, The Reveler can't be him as a god.
Kirblar's analysis seems sound, though I hold out hope for Kiora being that G/U Mythic in BNG.
What do people think about them mechanically? I think Hybrid might work well for the lesser gods. Maybe smaller mana costs, smaller size? (since the Theros 5 are supposed to be the big ones and double-devotion would make the lesser gods easier to activate.)
That makes the list of Gods given probably correct and the U/G mythic being solved in the second set, and the U/G God being in the third set.
I don't think it's impossible since they seem to want to distance him mechanically from Elspeth.
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No, I get that we see him as a God and we know he's Green/Red. My question is why do we assume he's the Green/Red god? It doesn't fit with the plotline, unless he offs the current Green/Red god off screen.
We know Xenagos is not the Red/Green god right now. Which means there's currently a red/green god. Why are we assuming that he'll fill the Red/Green god slot, rather than the current guy?
We don't know that there is a current guy.
Nothing in the flavor text points to another RG figure of prominence.
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And in fact...
"Why pray to the gods, who feed on your worship? Dissolve your illusions and see the true nature of things."
—Xenagos, the Reveler - Annul
Though, there's also:
"None can own the land's bounty. The gods made this world for all to share its riches. And I'm not just saying that because you caught me stealing your fruit." - Voyaging Satyr
So it's unclear what the Satyrs' relationship with the gods is. Xenagos sounds anti-God there, but maybe that's just him wanting to set up as the only God. Regardless, even in the Planeswalker's Guide there's no reference to a G/R god, so perhaps it's a position that remains open (perfect for Xenny boy).
We claim he is a god, because the image is of him as a god.
We think there is no R/G god already because every god has been mentioned multiple times except a 10th one, and the others fit all the spots that aren't R/G.
As for the other BNG god image being Iroas though, do we have proof that it is him? The reason why I say that, is why would Akros be the greatest followers of Iroas who is a centaur, but centaurs would barely follow him since they aren't red/white?
I have a feeling that good Tritons = blue or white/blue and aligned with Meletis, but we will see that the red/blue faction may be evil Tritons outside of Meletis, black/blue will be the Asphodel Returned (not the evil Odunos camp which is red/black), and green/white is the good Lagonna band centaurs sometimes aligned with Setessa, green/blue or green/red (with satyrs) is the colors of the evil Pheres centaurs.
EDIT: Yeah nevermind, Iroas is the centaur god in the back of the art of the Priest of Iroas card.
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Think about it:
Theros: introduction
Born: ascendence
Nyx: epic final showdown (of ultimate destiny)
He ascends, not necessarily off camera but on non-planeswalker/god cards (ie like elspeth is featured on plenty of white commons/uncommons etc) and threatens the pantheon, which leads to heliod begging for elspeth(an ajani?)'s help.
Act 3; xenegos has taken over the pantheon and elspeth and ajani have to storm the fort to rescue the gods and save theros from utter chaos/destruction.
Makes more sense in any storyline way. More exciting.
Which leads to my second idea, the god split.
Its highly unlikely that xenegos even as a god-walker could take on all 15 gods, but with a handful (5) minor gods that are sick of being pushed around or disrespected compared to more major gods, love chaos and destruction, or foresee that it is a losing battle and join the winning side they join xenegos. The 5 god in nyx are, if not on xenegos' side persay, aren't against his coup on heliod, while the 5 gods in born are on the side of the big 5. (Which let's face it, if those are the "powerful" gods... yeah xenegos has them beat hard)
Going with this, my predictions are:
Born:
R/W iroas
U/R keranos
W/G kerametra
G/B pharika
U/B phenax
Nyx:
R/B mogis
B/W anthreos
W/U Ephara
U/G kruphix
G/R xenegos
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There's also the fact that in the Centaur god is standing in front of the obelisk in the Temple of Triumph art.
I thought about that too, but the very art that confirms that he becomes a god in the first place is from BNG. It's likely that that's his card art.
I dunno... its possible, and probably very likely so, but at the same time it might just be fatpack art (certainly epic lookin enough) or awesome-sauce sorcery art depicting his ascension, something epic like an ultimatum almost.
Id be fine either way, but my storyline narrative senses are tingling all over this.
Then again dragon's maze goes to show just how much of a rat's ass they give about a good story.
Zen block: alright, that works
Scars: cool, kinda wanna see what happens next
Inn: well uh alrighty angels everywhere all of a sudden
Rtr: guild feuds, guildless riots, war in the streets, nah ends with a ****ty gameshow done in a piss-poor manner
Edit: I'm not denying he becomes a god in born, in fact that's exactly what I meant by saying he ascends during then. All I'm saying is I don't think we'll see the card version of him as a god until nyx. Kinda like all the praetor references throughout scars block to see them in nph. They could've been in besieged (and probably would've had mirrodin pure been real) but save the epic baddies until the final act. Especially in a block about the mythical hero trope id be ashamed if the epic showdown didn't all come together in the final set.
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That doesn't make a lot of sense, since elspeth is already 'Sun's champion', and is going around Theros doing heroic things as 'The Champion' that appears in a lot of flavor text.
Elspeth calling in Ajani once things get hairy (satyr hairy) does seem to make sense.
He may be there, but he may also be in NYX,
as we have art in both.
They could very well mention his ascendancy in BNG, but not give us the God Card until set 3-
that allows some anticipation to build from people who *aren't* reading about leaks on forums
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Mmmmmmmaybe.
It would help to make the Gods feel consistent and powerful. Even though the 10 gold gods are supposedly 'lesser' to the 5 monos, I doubt they would think so, nor their worshippers.
On the flip side, dedicating an additional 5 cards per set to these designs would eat up a lot of design/card space that I'm not sure they have, espeically since both sets are small sets.
We'll have to wait and see.
I kind of want more, because I like the first five...
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I dunno if they want to go for the ancient greek feel, there would be nothing strange with gods accepting their place in a hierarchy. Not to mention all the semi-godly things like muses, nymphs and the like. And sticking to that theme, worshippers would worship different gods depending on the occasion.
I can't see the gods-as-creatures-devotion mechanism translated very well into two colours. But maybe that only aply to BNG. Since I could definetly see devotion as well as bestow droped in Nyx, if the artspoilers show what I think they do: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10764634&postcount=41
Also, I don't think Xenagos is the red/green god. I'm sure we will see the Gruul God before Xenagos tries to take over, just to make the cycle fair.
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Doubt it.
We've been told that 5 are in Born and 5 in Journey, and it doesn't make a lot of sense to have some of the Gods work differently than the rest.
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UG is a god of horizons, so it will likely be some sort of land fetch ability. Therefore we can be relatively certain that although the multicolored gods will play well with the Ravnican guilds, they will not be enablers.
The RW god is a god of war, I fully expect it to either on it own, or by its weapon, grant double strike to your creatures in one way or another.
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