So hey, I've been hearing this name "Athreos" come up fairly regularly but I haven't actually seen any cards or anything in the PW Guides about it. Anyone care to elaborate?
As the full spoiler is now available and (from what I can see) there is no mention of anything that might be a RG god, I think it's safe to assume that Xenagos is the only RG god in the block, both cardwise, and flavorwise. If you think about it, it sort of makes sense too, with the majority of the RG folk (Satyrs and the like) being too busy and ignorant with their hedonistic lives to care about something as boring as god-worship.
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I speculate Iroas the RW god will be a:
God of Justice or God of Law
because RW is the color of Boros, and it makes sense for the Boros color
and as you guys can see on the Priest of Iroas art. There's a warrior statue which i speculate is the image of the Iroas.
And Mogis will be God of War,from the Mogis's Marauder and Fanatic of Mogis card
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I speculate Iroas the RW god will be a:
God of Justice or God of Law
because RW is the color of Boros, and it makes sense for the Boros color
and as you guys can see on the Priest of Iroas art. There's a warrior statue which i speculate is the image of the Iroas.
And Mogis will be God of War,from the Mogis's Marauder and Fanatic of Mogis card
I feel like Iroas will be the god of war. Boros was about Roman-like soldiers and assembling armies, and the red/white faction in Theros is Akros, which is like Sparta, a very warlike state that probably greatly worshiped Ares.
I think Xanagos would more be like a god of chaos. Anarchy fits in with Gruul tribes well, and also fits Theros satyrs who are very mischievous.
Then Mogis could be the god of destruction and/or pain and/or tragedy and/or madness/chaos.
every Stratian is warned about the threat of Mogis, because it is during battle when the god can slip into the hearts of warriors, making them crave ever more blood and pain.
"By the red eye of Mogis." A mild profanity, often used in reaction to tragedy or violent death.
This shows that people hate/curse Mogis as a very negative god. In battle I don't think everyone hating on a god of war or cursing it would be something people would do.
All Akroans know how Mogis can take a small flame of revenge and grow it into an inferno of madness.
Not all who worship the twisted god are cannibals, but all crave rage and bloodlust—and some do crave human flesh as the minotaurs do.
But this one twists everything:
The Setessan warriors pay homage here to the Twins of War, Iroas and Mogis; they see honor and fear as equal parts in victory.
They may both be gods of war. One is also a god of honor and the other also of fear.
I'm aware that this part of the conversation is long gone, but, and this may just be my interpretation after examining MaRo's articles, Xenagos's motivation, even selfish as it is, can be justified as solid green.
Green has that whole belief of "Everything you are meant to be is within you from the beginning." Xenagos was born a Planeswalker, even if he didn't realize it till plot happened. Planeswalking felt unnatural, and defiled that section of his psyche that agreed with the whole "I am everything I will be, and what I am is AMAZING."
So going back to Theros, and ascending to Godhood, can fit within the green slice of the pie, philosophically. He is, after all, merely fitting back into the place he belongs, and achieving everything he was meant to be from the start. At least in his mind. He's already, technically, a god, he's just making it more...official.
It's selfish yes, but no one said that black was the ONLY color that can be selfish.
There is art from Journey into nyx with Xenagos as a god without the stary backdrop, as well: http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/111/888/635201278020493604.jpg
This suggests that the set actually takes Place in Nyx storywise. This could indicate that they drop bestow and add a new keyword for the set. As bestow probably don't make much flavour sense if everybody is allreaddy in Nyx.
This shows that people hate/curse Mogis as a very negative god. In battle I don't think everyone hating on a god of war or cursing it would be something people would do.
But this one twists everything:
They may both be gods of war. One is also a god of honor and the other also of fear.
Well, he might be a jerk that brings about the worst in people, but he's still a God, and that commands a certain amount of reverence.
I can't help feeling like the Xenagos will be the RG God argument sounds a lot like the argument that Ral Zarek was going to be the Izzet maze runner.
The pantheon of gods existed well before any of the events of this block so I really don't see why we can't get a card for which ever god Xenegos would likely replace and see his godhood told in other cards.
We also have to keep in mind the "planeswalker uniqueness rule" and that since walkers have started no new walker has become a creature and no other types have been printed on the planeswalker type line. I could be wrong and this could finally be the time that wizards breaks that flavor rule and we get both a PW and a creature card of Xenegos but I would say it's unlikely.
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I honestly don't think there is a RG god aside from Xenagos. Think about it, what RG tribe would worship a god? Satyrs are the only really RG dedicated tribe and they don't seem to care about the gods at all. I know it would make sense for there to be a full pantheon of 15 before Xenagos comes along, but who ever actually said that there were 15 to start with? Gods need followers and purpose. Being that an RG sort of lacks both, there would be no need for one.
Think about it this way: it adds some nice flavor to RG creatures as the rebellious hedonists who answer to nobody.
I can't help feeling like the Xenagos will be the RG God argument sounds a lot like the argument that Ral Zarek was going to be the Izzet maze runner.
The pantheon of gods existed well before any of the events of this block so I really don't see why we can't get a card for which ever god Xenegos would likely replace and see his godhood told in other cards.
Well, Ral Zarekwas the maze runner, but they changed it to Melek later in design so that the Izzet EDH players wouldn't feel left out. This is especially noticeable when you read the DGM novel...
And having 10 minor gods is only for gameplay reasons. There's nothing that says the world of Theros needs 10 of them, there could very well have been only 9 for all that time before Xenagos.
Well, now that I think about it I'd like them not to print a RG god (nor other mythic to replace it). I've always been all about full cycles, symmetry and equality for all colors/combinations but now RG has to pay a penalty for having 3 planeswalkers (2 in 8 months) while 6 other combinations have only one and 2 have none. What's more, I hope RG won't get any planeswalker in at least nearest 6-7 years.
They are going to be printing a RG god. We are getting five two color gods in Born of the Gods, and five two color gods in Journey into Nyx. We have been told as much.
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Well, Ral Zarekwas the maze runner, but they changed it to Melek later in design so that the Izzet EDH players wouldn't feel left out. This is especially noticeable when you read the DGM novel...
And having 10 minor gods is only for gameplay reasons. There's nothing that says the world of Theros needs 10 of them, there could very well have been only 9 for all that time before Xenagos.
I should rephrase somewhat.
It feels like when people said we would not get an UR Legend card in DRM because we were getting Ral. The storyline can be whatever it wants to be and if the RG god card that we get isn't talked about at all and Xenegos is talked about instead well then that's just another example of the story and the cards not always lining up.
Remember that as far as the storyline is concerned Tezzeret is part artifact but his card is not.
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I feel like Iroas will be the god of war. Boros was about Roman-like soldiers and assembling armies, and the red/white faction in Theros is Akros, which is like Sparta, a very warlike state that probably greatly worshiped Ares.
I think Xanagos would more be like a god of chaos. Anarchy fits in with Gruul tribes well, and also fits Theros satyrs who are very mischievous.
Then Mogis could be the god of destruction and/or pain and/or tragedy and/or madness/chaos.
This shows that people hate/curse Mogis as a very negative god. In battle I don't think everyone hating on a god of war or cursing it would be something people would do.
But this one twists everything:
They may both be gods of war. One is also a god of honor and the other also of fear.
I feel that Iroas is more like Athena and Mogis is more like Ares. Or at least popular conceptions of them.
Well, now that I think about it I'd like them not to print a RG god (nor other mythic to replace it). I've always been all about full cycles, symmetry and equality for all colors/combinations but now RG has to pay a penalty for having 3 planeswalkers (2 in 8 months) while 6 other combinations have only one and 2 have none. What's more, I hope RG won't get any planeswalker in at least nearest 6-7 years.
What's the relevance of RGhaving three planeswalkers? Other than contributing to devotion these things seem unrelated.
Also, it may be likely that we get the G/B and U/W temples in Born of the Gods, with the U/R, B/R, and G/W ones in Journey, to accompany their gods.
This would also make it unlikely that Kiora's in the block, fwiw.
I would disagree with Ajani being in Born of the Gods under the argument that he and Xenagos would be competing for "face of the set" and we only have art of Ajani in Journey into Nyx so far, but then I realized that Iroas is also confirmed for Born of the Gods. That means that Karametra can't be in Born of the Gods (which would have to happen if Ajani was in Journey into Nyx) with Xenagos and Iroas because of failed color balance among gods.
Tl;dr, I believe that your conclusion is probably accurate.
I would disagree with Ajani being in Born of the Gods under the argument that he and Xenagos would be competing for "face of the set" and we only have art of Ajani in Journey into Nyx so far, but then I realized that Iroas is also confirmed for Born of the Gods. That means that Karametra can't be in Born of the Gods (which would have to happen if Ajani was in Journey into Nyx) with Xenagos and Iroas because of failed color balance among gods.
Tl;dr, I believe that your conclusion is probably accurate.
They've also always reprinted a returning planeswalker in set 2, going all the way back to Alara.
I'm pretty sure I remember seeing art of Elspeth and Ajani taking on a gigantic Xenagos with starry shadows. Somebody should link it. With that in mind, I think Xenagos as the RG god makes sense. As to why there's no black in him, I think Xenagos is going to be a good example of a red antagonist. He's seeking to ascend to godhood to get above the gods, not for the power itself but for the freedom it provides. Him being green is dictated by his mechanical nature. Tell me Xenagos couldn't be a monogreen planeswalker if you removed the capability to produce red mana. Green is tertiary in haste, and everything else is dead-on in color pie for green. The satyrs are red-green, and it makes sense that their "lord" would match those colors.
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Secondary to that if the Theros Gods will get their own temples.
It feels that the Temples are in the block not for flavor, but for mana fixing purposes, and are given generic names. But of course I may be wrong.
They are given generic names for reprintability. They have the names they have for flavor.
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God of Justice or God of Law
because RW is the color of Boros, and it makes sense for the Boros color
and as you guys can see on the Priest of Iroas art. There's a warrior statue which i speculate is the image of the Iroas.
And Mogis will be God of War,from the Mogis's Marauder and Fanatic of Mogis card
I feel like Iroas will be the god of war. Boros was about Roman-like soldiers and assembling armies, and the red/white faction in Theros is Akros, which is like Sparta, a very warlike state that probably greatly worshiped Ares.
I think Xanagos would more be like a god of chaos. Anarchy fits in with Gruul tribes well, and also fits Theros satyrs who are very mischievous.
Then Mogis could be the god of destruction and/or pain and/or tragedy and/or madness/chaos.
This shows that people hate/curse Mogis as a very negative god. In battle I don't think everyone hating on a god of war or cursing it would be something people would do.
But this one twists everything:
They may both be gods of war. One is also a god of honor and the other also of fear.
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Green has that whole belief of "Everything you are meant to be is within you from the beginning." Xenagos was born a Planeswalker, even if he didn't realize it till plot happened. Planeswalking felt unnatural, and defiled that section of his psyche that agreed with the whole "I am everything I will be, and what I am is AMAZING."
So going back to Theros, and ascending to Godhood, can fit within the green slice of the pie, philosophically. He is, after all, merely fitting back into the place he belongs, and achieving everything he was meant to be from the start. At least in his mind. He's already, technically, a god, he's just making it more...official.
It's selfish yes, but no one said that black was the ONLY color that can be selfish.
There is art with Xenagos most likely his godcard from BNG as well; http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/111/885/635201278016597608.jpg
Which likely also puts Phenax in BNG colourwise. If they go gatecrash or mix it up with the other two is anyones guess.
There is art from Journey into nyx with Xenagos as a god without the stary backdrop, as well: http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/111/888/635201278020493604.jpg
This suggests that the set actually takes Place in Nyx storywise. This could indicate that they drop bestow and add a new keyword for the set. As bestow probably don't make much flavour sense if everybody is allreaddy in Nyx.
Well, he might be a jerk that brings about the worst in people, but he's still a God, and that commands a certain amount of reverence.
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The pantheon of gods existed well before any of the events of this block so I really don't see why we can't get a card for which ever god Xenegos would likely replace and see his godhood told in other cards.
We also have to keep in mind the "planeswalker uniqueness rule" and that since walkers have started no new walker has become a creature and no other types have been printed on the planeswalker type line. I could be wrong and this could finally be the time that wizards breaks that flavor rule and we get both a PW and a creature card of Xenegos but I would say it's unlikely.
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It seems all but R/G has a god in various flavourtexts and cardnames in Theros. And then there is the art...
Think about it this way: it adds some nice flavor to RG creatures as the rebellious hedonists who answer to nobody.
Well, Ral Zarek was the maze runner, but they changed it to Melek later in design so that the Izzet EDH players wouldn't feel left out. This is especially noticeable when you read the DGM novel...
And having 10 minor gods is only for gameplay reasons. There's nothing that says the world of Theros needs 10 of them, there could very well have been only 9 for all that time before Xenagos.
They are going to be printing a RG god. We are getting five two color gods in Born of the Gods, and five two color gods in Journey into Nyx. We have been told as much.
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I should rephrase somewhat.
It feels like when people said we would not get an UR Legend card in DRM because we were getting Ral. The storyline can be whatever it wants to be and if the RG god card that we get isn't talked about at all and Xenegos is talked about instead well then that's just another example of the story and the cards not always lining up.
Remember that as far as the storyline is concerned Tezzeret is part artifact but his card is not.
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MYTHIC CYCLE
W/B -Ashen Rider
U/B -Ashiok
R/B -Underworld Cerberus
U/W -Medomai
R/G -Xenagos
This leaves B/G, R/W, G/W, U/R, U/G.
We think Ajani is G/W and in Born of the Gods. Also, Ajani may have swapped places with the B/W Mythic, making it likely that the B/W God is in set 3.
GODS CYCLE
wb: Athreos
uw: Ephara
rw: Iroas
wg: Karametra
ur: Keranos
gu: Kruphix
rb: Mogis
bg: Pharika
bu: Phenax
gr: Xenagos
We know that Xenagos and Iroas are in Born of the Gods.
We know that Karametra is likely in set 3 because of Ajani
There are two red gods known in Born of the Gods. Meaning the other two are likely in Journey into Nyx.
This gives us enough information to get the gods, which in turn tells us which mythics are likely in which set.
Born of the Gods
Mythic Cycle
G/W- Ajani
U/R- ???
U/G- ???
Gods Cycle
U/W- Ephara
R/W- Iroas
R/G- Xenagos
G/B- Pharika
B/U- Phenax
Journey into Nyx
Mythic Cycle
B/G- ???
R/W- ???
Gods Cycle
U/R- Keranos
U/G- Kruphix
G/W- Karametra
W/B- Athreos
B/R- Mogis
Also, it may be likely that we get the G/B and U/W temples in Born of the Gods, with the U/R, B/R, and G/W ones in Journey, to accompany their gods.
This would also make it unlikely that Kiora's in the block, fwiw.
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I feel that Iroas is more like Athena and Mogis is more like Ares. Or at least popular conceptions of them.
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What's the relevance of RGhaving three planeswalkers? Other than contributing to devotion these things seem unrelated.
I would disagree with Ajani being in Born of the Gods under the argument that he and Xenagos would be competing for "face of the set" and we only have art of Ajani in Journey into Nyx so far, but then I realized that Iroas is also confirmed for Born of the Gods. That means that Karametra can't be in Born of the Gods (which would have to happen if Ajani was in Journey into Nyx) with Xenagos and Iroas because of failed color balance among gods.
Tl;dr, I believe that your conclusion is probably accurate.
They've also always reprinted a returning planeswalker in set 2, going all the way back to Alara.
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