Okay, Jivanmukta, you took what I said out of context to interpret it the exact opposite way of how I intended it. Full quote:
And for the fat people, or unattractive people, or disabled (NOT “crippled”) people who consume the same media, fantasy isn’t idealist or escapist the way you describe. It can’t be, because they’re not given role models like themselves.
Yes, the fantasy genre is a form of escapism. For people in the majorities who are idealized by the genre. For people outside of that demographic, who either don't exist inside of most popular fantasy media or have been relegated to side kicks or villains, there's precious little reason for them to "escape" to that fantasy.
While this conversation began about depictions of overweight people, note that it can just as well represent the treatment of ethnic minorities, women, and LGBTQ people. Did you know that it was the official policy of TSR, the company that owned D&D before WotC took over, to depict all humans as white in their products? It's the exact same principle.
Ultimately, fantasy is a mirror of the people doing the fantasizing. They're the ones who are doing the escaping, so they're the ones who are cast as the heroes. They have the privilege of seeing other people like themselves reflected back at them, a privilege that's denied to anyone else. In these idealized fantasy worlds, they don't exist. They've been "idealized" out.
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Xantcha, Phyrexian Reject
Jodah, Archmage Eternal
Tovolar, Howlpack Alpha
Pivlic, Orzhov Informant
Crixizix, Master Engineer
Feather, Boros Peacekeeper
Marisi Coilbreaker
O-Kagachi
Gix, Phyrexian Praetor
Karn, Father of Machines
Yawgmoth, Father of Machines
Serra, Mother of All Angels
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools
Leshrac the Nightwalker
Jeska, the Thrice-Touched
Elspeth Returned
Crucius the Mad
Taysir the Infinite
Urza's Head (Unglued!)
Okay, Jivanmukta, you took what I said out of context to interpret it the exact opposite way of how I intended it. Full quote:
Yes, the fantasy genre is a form of escapism. For people in the majorities who are idealized by the genre. For people outside of that demographic, who either don't exist inside of most popular fantasy media or have been relegated to side kicks or villains, there's precious little reason for them to "escape" to that fantasy.
While this conversation began about depictions of overweight people, note that it can just as well represent the treatment of ethnic minorities, women, and LGBTQ people. Did you know that it was the official policy of TSR, the company that owned D&D before WotC took over, to depict all humans as white in their products? It's the exact same principle.
Ultimately, fantasy is a mirror of the people doing the fantasizing. They're the ones who are doing the escaping, so they're the ones who are cast as the heroes. They have the privilege of seeing other people like themselves reflected back at them, a privilege that's denied to anyone else. In these idealized fantasy worlds, they don't exist. They've been "idealized" out.
Marketing. There is no market for "fat heroes". If there was, we would see them. It's really that simple. "Privilege" has nothing to do with it.
Anyhow.
Planeswalkers I'd like to see:
-A Sphinx
-A Squirrel
-A Sphinx-Squirrel (why not)
-And one that defies all most previous notions on what a planeswalker can or cannot be. Save for the set in stone(mostly) guidelines, I want to be able to see what boundaries can be stretched. I'd love to see an aged mortal, possibly heavily scared 'walker that we can sympathize with in his/her long years of traversing the plane and life's inevitable fragility.
-A 1 drop PW significantly worse than Tibalt.
-And those with color combos not yet been thought up of.
Yawgmoth is dead. When you die your spark goes too. And I would hate if they started bringing back dead characters.
He says he wishes they could. implying they can't. I really wish yawgmoth had a planeswalker card, but i don't want them to print one. Its a missed opportunity because planeswalkers didn't exist :(.
He says he wishes they could. implying they can't. I really wish yawgmoth had a planeswalker card, but i don't want them to print one. Its a missed opportunity because planeswalkers didn't exist :(.
In the same way you can tell someone is from the XVIII century because he is arroused by ankles, you can tell someone is from USA because he feels nipples disturbing.
Yawgmoth is dead. When you die your spark goes too. And I would hate if they started bringing back dead characters.
I think that for specialty products and main editions are fine to "revisit old characters" or make certain versions of them for fans. I don't believe that a legendary Yawgmoth, Thran Leader or Glacian, Thran Artificer would do much harm to the game for annivesaries and special products.
However, I do agree with you on the "comic book dead" and "commonly held views of being dead" for making death a real joke. Thus far the only two that have been able to overcome death have been Liliana and Sorin, both at a steep cost. Karn is different as he was immortal in the first place, however his life expansion came at the cost of Venser.
With that said, I do feel that a disagreement to make "pre-ascension" versions of the Planeswalkers would hurt the game, though. Venser can have Commander decks built around him and still see his PW self in other formats. The main existence of Commander makes the need for creating certain legends a good rule to have in Venser's accidental case than what has become normal.
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Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
I'd like to see another Tamiyo. Or Nissa. Or both.
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Legacy: Nic Fit / Pod
Pauper: Delvar; Tron; Flicker Stuff
Commander: Riku ("Some weird doubple spell thing happened"); Keranos ("I did a Gatherer search for 'random' and 'flip a coin.'"); Superfriends!
I would like to see a barbarian 'walker. Not Domri Rade, but a stereotypical barbarian that travels the planes getting into tavern brawls, slaying dragons and drinking beer from skulls. That would be a fun design.
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Yawgmoth is dead. When you die your spark goes too. And I would hate if they started bringing back dead characters.
Yawgmoth wasn't a planeswalker, he was an idea almost...
Also, in the Onslaught series, when Karona, False God opened portals to different essences of mana she went to Urborg and for black and described a giant spirit of death resting there that was the size of a plane and wanting to be resurrected, it was clearly Yawgmoth. Now there is a question of whether that was real or a manifestation/symbol of something that once was or could be.
However, when she visited Phyrexia itself, a rotting plane which was made up of spheres inside of spheres, with a giant crater in it, she described that there was an essence there that was similar to that in Urborg that basically rushed her and tried to make her bring it back to its full glory. So even if the previous is debatable, there is some essence of Yawgmoth around in Phyrexia still.
Also, in the Onslaught series, when Karona, False God opened portals to different essences of mana she went to Urborg and for black and described a giant spirit of death resting there that was the size of a plane and wanting to be resurrected, it was clearly Yawgmoth. Now there is a question of whether that was real or a manifestation/symbol of something that once was or could be.
Proven to be illusion. Lord Windgrace double checked. Yawgmoth is dead.
However, when she visited Phyrexia itself, a rotting plane which was made up of spheres inside of spheres, with a giant crater in it, she described that there was an essence there that was similar to that in Urborg that basically rushed her and tried to make her bring it back to its full glory. So even if the previous is debatable, there is some essence of Yawgmoth around in Phyrexia still.
I'd like to see a PW with 4 abilities, but only 3 of them are activated abilities. The first one could be a triggered ability or a static ability. A high mana cost blue PW with "at the beginning of your upkeep, target opponent reveals his or her hand" and three abilities that deal with naming cards in opponent's hand. A low mana red PW with "Creatures you control control gain haste" or a white PW with "Creatures you control get +1/+1" Something interesting.
What would I like to see? Non Mythic 'Walkers. We know not all planeswalkers are created equal. Show us some of the lesser ones. Sure the abilities would have to be weaker to compensate, but I still feel it would be a good design space if well managed. The odds of WotC finding a good balance for this is almost non-existent, in my opinion any way.
What would I like to see? Non Mythic 'Walkers. We know not all planeswalkers are created equal. Show us some of the lesser ones. Sure the abilities would have to be weaker to compensate, but I still feel it would be a good design space if well managed. The odds of WotC finding a good balance for this is almost non-existent, in my opinion any way.
Terrible idea!
The whole thing about the spark is that it's super-rare. That literally translates into card rarity.
If you follow design history, R&D feels they 'overdid' legends in Kamigawa, stripping them of their specialness. They won't make that mistake with Planeswalkers.
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On 7/14/10, broke 1900 mark! <3 ROE.
Tibalt, the redeemed. 2RB
+1 look at target player's hand, you choose 3 cards from it, that player discards 1if then(at random?)
-3 signal the clans or browbeat-like ability(not as strong)
-7 you get an emblem with, yawgmoth's agenda only that you can cast cards from your opponent's GY as well and it doesn't exile cards. Or emblem with, whoever you cast a spell, each opponent discards a card at random.
Looks broken... But I need the idea of torturing the opponent theme.!-7 can be tough though. Has to be a strong torturous ability.
Yes, the fantasy genre is a form of escapism. For people in the majorities who are idealized by the genre. For people outside of that demographic, who either don't exist inside of most popular fantasy media or have been relegated to side kicks or villains, there's precious little reason for them to "escape" to that fantasy.
While this conversation began about depictions of overweight people, note that it can just as well represent the treatment of ethnic minorities, women, and LGBTQ people. Did you know that it was the official policy of TSR, the company that owned D&D before WotC took over, to depict all humans as white in their products? It's the exact same principle.
Ultimately, fantasy is a mirror of the people doing the fantasizing. They're the ones who are doing the escaping, so they're the ones who are cast as the heroes. They have the privilege of seeing other people like themselves reflected back at them, a privilege that's denied to anyone else. In these idealized fantasy worlds, they don't exist. They've been "idealized" out.
Xantcha, Phyrexian Reject
Jodah, Archmage Eternal
Tovolar, Howlpack Alpha
Pivlic, Orzhov Informant
Crixizix, Master Engineer
Feather, Boros Peacekeeper
Marisi Coilbreaker
O-Kagachi
Gix, Phyrexian Praetor
Karn, Father of Machines
Yawgmoth, Father of Machines
Serra, Mother of All Angels
Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools
Leshrac the Nightwalker
Jeska, the Thrice-Touched
Elspeth Returned
Crucius the Mad
Taysir the Infinite
Urza's Head (Unglued!)
Marketing. There is no market for "fat heroes". If there was, we would see them. It's really that simple. "Privilege" has nothing to do with it.
Planeswalkers I'd like to see:
-A Sphinx
-A Squirrel
-A Sphinx-Squirrel (why not)
-And one that defies all most previous notions on what a planeswalker can or cannot be. Save for the set in stone(mostly) guidelines, I want to be able to see what boundaries can be stretched. I'd love to see an aged mortal, possibly heavily scared 'walker that we can sympathize with in his/her long years of traversing the plane and life's inevitable fragility.
-A 1 drop PW significantly worse than Tibalt.
-And those with color combos not yet been thought up of.
Otherwise Lim Dul would be awesome
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Yawgmoth is dead. When you die your spark goes too. And I would hate if they started bringing back dead characters.
He says he wishes they could. implying they can't. I really wish yawgmoth had a planeswalker card, but i don't want them to print one. Its a missed opportunity because planeswalkers didn't exist :(.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=484979
Yawgmoth wasn't a planeswalker.
I expect we'll see this eventually.
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BUG Control
That's pretty cute.
BGU Control
R Aggro
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BG Auras
I think that for specialty products and main editions are fine to "revisit old characters" or make certain versions of them for fans. I don't believe that a legendary Yawgmoth, Thran Leader or Glacian, Thran Artificer would do much harm to the game for annivesaries and special products.
However, I do agree with you on the "comic book dead" and "commonly held views of being dead" for making death a real joke. Thus far the only two that have been able to overcome death have been Liliana and Sorin, both at a steep cost. Karn is different as he was immortal in the first place, however his life expansion came at the cost of Venser.
With that said, I do feel that a disagreement to make "pre-ascension" versions of the Planeswalkers would hurt the game, though. Venser can have Commander decks built around him and still see his PW self in other formats. The main existence of Commander makes the need for creating certain legends a good rule to have in Venser's accidental case than what has become normal.
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.
Individualities may form communities, but it is institutions alone that can create a nation.
Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
Currently playing:
Standard: Superfriends!
Legacy: Nic Fit / Pod
Pauper: Delvar; Tron; Flicker Stuff
Commander: Riku ("Some weird doubple spell thing happened"); Keranos ("I did a Gatherer search for 'random' and 'flip a coin.'"); Superfriends!
For Lists, Click Here
EDH:
GW: Selvala, Let us help YOU.
UB: Mirko Vosk, when outmatched cheat
BW: Vish Kal, The Arbiter of Reanimation
UG: Prime Speaker Zegana, the science of sorcery
RB: Malfegor, Traitor's Haven
UW: Daxos, Control-Fort-Tron
BG: Pharika, Goddess of Stax
RW: Gisela, Boros Control
RG: Ruric Thar, a Primal Surge deck
RU: Niv-Mizzet the Firemind, Spellslinger?!?!
B:(Pauper) Mikaeus the Unhallowed
R: Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient: The Power of Engineering
Yawgmoth wasn't a planeswalker, he was an idea almost...
Also, in the Onslaught series, when Karona, False God opened portals to different essences of mana she went to Urborg and for black and described a giant spirit of death resting there that was the size of a plane and wanting to be resurrected, it was clearly Yawgmoth. Now there is a question of whether that was real or a manifestation/symbol of something that once was or could be.
However, when she visited Phyrexia itself, a rotting plane which was made up of spheres inside of spheres, with a giant crater in it, she described that there was an essence there that was similar to that in Urborg that basically rushed her and tried to make her bring it back to its full glory. So even if the previous is debatable, there is some essence of Yawgmoth around in Phyrexia still.
Proven to be illusion. Lord Windgrace double checked. Yawgmoth is dead.
Which might be fine, but Phyrexia (the plane) literally doesn't exist anymore.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/107
It was an artificial plane, and without Yawgmoth, it could no longer maintain any equilibrium.
And they are pretty damn insistent that Yawgmoth is truly and completely gone.
Terrible idea!
The whole thing about the spark is that it's super-rare. That literally translates into card rarity.
If you follow design history, R&D feels they 'overdid' legends in Kamigawa, stripping them of their specialness. They won't make that mistake with Planeswalkers.
On 7/14/10, broke 1900 mark! <3 ROE.
A WUBRG Sliverwalker.
A walker with the "Snow" supertype.
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2RB
+1 look at target player's hand, you choose 3 cards from it, that player discards 1if then(at random?)
-3 signal the clans or browbeat-like ability(not as strong)
-7 you get an emblem with, yawgmoth's agenda only that you can cast cards from your opponent's GY as well and it doesn't exile cards. Or emblem with, whoever you cast a spell, each opponent discards a card at random.
Looks broken... But I need the idea of torturing the opponent theme.!-7 can be tough though. Has to be a strong torturous ability.
Thanks Argentleman;)
WB Teysa token aggroBW (retired)
MAKING (Onmath, Numot, maybe something in Esper)