Return to Ravnica: UW Jace & BG Nissa (Nissa is baseless. I don't follow story-line enough to know if she'd show up.)
Gatecrash: RW Gideon & UG Kiora
"Sinker": UR Ral
Okay... I'm going to tear this apart... While Wizards can do whatever they want, Creative still has to follow the story they set up and they still control planeswalkers.
Jace is the posterboy of Blue and he's aligned with Izzet... He's not going to be UW... I doubt he's going to be UR, but that one is more likely.
Nissa, as hard as it is to say, is NOT going to show up.
Gideon is a mono-W kinda guy...
I have no say on the others, but Ral's inclusion would mean mono-U Jace.
Okay... I'm going to tear this apart... While Wizards can do whatever they want, Creative still has to follow the story they set up and they still control planeswalkers.
Jace is the posterboy of Blue and he's aligned with Izzet... He's not going to be UW... I doubt he's going to be UR, but that one is more likely.
Nissa, as hard as it is to say, is NOT going to show up.
Gideon is a mono-W kinda guy...
I have no say on the others, but Ral's inclusion would mean mono-U Jace.
People would argue for Gideon being R/W. He is a warrior planeswalker (just as Elsphet is a knight), and dipping into red would make sense for the character. That does not equal that he will be R/W when he does, simply that he can be.
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Jace is the posterboy of Blue and he's aligned with Izzet... He's not going to be UW... I doubt he's going to be UR, but that one is more likely.
there is no confirmation that Jace is aligned with the Izzet.
He was on the poster with Niv Mizzet, but that doesn't indicate anything other than marketing.*
It isn't until Gatecrash that the tagline of "choose your guild" comes up.
*Remember when Sarkhan, Tezzeret, Ajani, and Elspeth teamed up against Bolas in Conflux? Me neither.
Marketing has to get people excited. Which means putting the two most marketable characters on the poster.
Jace can be mono blue and still back the Izzet. He and Niv are confirmed to be in the set, so it's not like Wizards lied about that.
That Gamesday promo playmat does give the presence of Ral Zarek in RtR a huge push though. That art is most likely him, and an art push like that either means Planeswalker or very high profile legendary creature, like Avacyn.
... Ral is a confirmed planeswalker. They don't make legendary creatures out of planeswalkers.
An argument could be made that it would be pre-ascension, but R&D tries to avoid confusion brought on by having multiple iterations of a character on the field.
There are exceptions, recently with Mikaeus, but it isn't something they believe in doing very commonly.
... Ral is a confirmed planeswalker. They don't make legendary creatures out of planeswalkers.
An argument could be made that it would be pre-ascension, but R&D tries to avoid confusion brought on by having multiple iterations of a character on the field.
And there is a paper PW card of Ral Zarek in existence already?
While it may not the norm, it is altogether possible to have him pre-sparked in RtR.
We know that the guilds central to RTR are Azorius, Selesnya, Rakdos, Golgari and Izzet. From those Azarius and Izzet are blue. It would make sense that Jace would be aligned with one of those, perhaps most likely Izzet. He would certainly have a thing or two to learn from Mr. Mizzy. And given the multicolor flavor of the set, a UR Jace would not be unlikely.
The other PW would probably be from one of the other nonU guilds, Selesnya, Rakdos or Golgari.
Ed: And with the new Izzet vs Golgari coming out, that might be a Golgari aligned PW we'll see?
And there is a paper PW card of Ral Zarek in existence already?
While it may not the norm, it is altogether possible to have him pre-sparked in RtR.
However, it is not entirely likely that they would do such for reasons I already laid out in the previous post.
Being merely possible is not strong enough to make any speculation stand.
We know that the guilds central to RTR are Azorius, Selesnya, Rakdos, Golgari and Izzet. From those Azarius and Izzet are blue. It would make sense that Jace would be aligned with one of those, perhaps most likely Izzet. He would certainly have a thing or two to learn from Mr. Mizzy. And given the multicolor flavor of the set, a UR Jace would not be unlikely.
The other PW would probably be from one of the other nonU guilds, Selesnya, Rakdos or Golgari.
Ed: And with the new Izzet vs Golgari coming out, that might be a Golgari aligned PW we'll see?
We are *not* getting an UR Jace. There is nothing red about him, there never has been anything red about him, there never will be anything red about him. WotC don't add (a) color(s) to planeswalkers for no good reason just because they can.
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Okay... I'm going to tear this apart... While Wizards can do whatever they want, Creative still has to follow the story they set up and they still control planeswalkers.
Jace is the posterboy of Blue and he's aligned with Izzet... He's not going to be UW... I doubt he's going to be UR, but that one is more likely.
Nissa, as hard as it is to say, is NOT going to show up.
Gideon is a mono-W kinda guy...
I have no say on the others, but Ral's inclusion would mean mono-U Jace.
This is kinda funny. You say that Jace is more likely to be Izzet (seemingly based on the promotional artwork considering your other posts) than Azorius, and then go and say that Gideon is a mono-white when his promotional artwork clearly has the Boros emblem on his belt.
Jace being Izzet would be completely dropping the ball on the character unless they randomly threw him into a love story with Chandra <snicker>. He's never been shown as having ANY inclination toward the color. The promotional art proves nothing, and Ral has been clearly presented as being UR. They're not going to have two UR planeswalkers in the same block. Furthermore, the mothership profile for Jace uses the following words:
The enemy colors of white and black are like an angel and devil on his shoulders. Will he choose to use his abilities to enrich those he cares about, or to empower only himself?
Per his description (directly from "creative" I dare say?), if he's not mono-blue, he should end up with one of those two colors. White makes the most sense.
Gideon on the other hand, as I said, clearly has the Boros emblem on his belt. To add to that, at the recent Con where they were going over most of the information we have about the sets, Gideon was said to have chosen his guild when they showed his promo art. How big of a hint does one need?
Nissa was a completely random guess. She fits a guild that's meant to show up in RtR since it's been made clear she likes dabbling in Black. How her search for a solution to the Eldrazi would lead her to Ravnica, I wouldn't know. Again - complete guess.
Kiora would have been a wildcard at one point, but Wizards has now established merfolk in Ravnica for whatever reason. Ral is pretty much expected to show up... but then... who knows? This is the speculation forum after all.
Well despite their claims to not worrying about balance of colors of planeswalkers so far they have kept the balance quite well for the most part.
We have
5 W Planeswalkers
4 G Planeswalkers
4 B Planeswalkers
4 RPlaneswalkers
5 U Planeswalkers
1 RW Planeswalker
1 Colorless Planeswalker
1 RUB Planeswalker
1 RB Planeswalker
1 RG Planeswalker
1 WB Planeswalker
1 UB Planeswalker
1 UW Planeswalker
So outside of allied multicolor Planeswalkers we only have two Planeswalkers Ajani Vengeant and Sorin, of Innistrad that falls into the enemy color cycle.
I realize enemy colors are meaningless in Ravnica but if they were going for a more global representation I expect to see these types of Planeswalkers show up in this block.
UR UG GW BG
Obviously they are not going to sacrifice a storyline planeswalker just because he would require say being UW or something, and they already have a UW planeswalker. I just have a hunch that those 4 color combos are the most likely to appear if we see a multi-color planeswalker.
It is amusing that mono-black was way behind in the planeswalker count until Innistrad and in that block we got a Liliana then they followed that up with another one in M13 all within the span of a year.
I'd consider Ral to be confirmed at this point. It's clearly him on the gamesday playmat. Or at least the artist was instructed to draw an Izzet Mage with red/blue garb, facial hair, white streaks in his brown hair, a costume with puffy sleeves and pants, high boots, and copper coloured equipment with hoses connected to his back. That's way too similar to the first art of Ral we've seen.
And I forgot that Ral was confirmed as a Walker before RtR was even announced. He's the second walker in the set, I'm convinced of it.
I had to do a quick search since I hadn't seen the particular playmat in question. Albeit in a very different style than previously seen, that certainly looks to be a depiction of Ral and is very much UR. This pretty much confirms him in my mind to show up in Sinker. They *could* put him in RtR, but it's unlikely considering Jace is already confirmed to make an appearance. That also further discredits any discussion of a UR Jace and reinforces the probability of U or UW Jace.
Yeah, just because Jace is hanging out with the leader of the Izzet guild doesn't automagically make him U/R. And I'm pretty sure they will have some kinda story tie-in--they don't just show something and then disregard it (though I'm still not sure what the story is behind Liliana on the throne in the promo artwork of ISD).
I wouldn't hold my breath for Kiora. She's U/G, sure, but she's into huge sea monsters, something I wouldn't imagine would be in abundance on Ravnica. Maybe in Friends block. But then again, planeswalkers don't always have to have an obvious story tie-in (see Tamiyo on ISD, Gideon on Zendikar).
I think a R/U Ral Zarek and a mono-U Jace in the same set would be weird, but they did do both W/U Venser and mono-W Elspeth 2.0 in SOM (though to be fair it was somewhat balanced out by mono-R Koth).
Golgari Nissa seems weird. Sure, she's been dabbling in black magic, but she doesn't seem very "Golgari" to me. Selesnya doesn't seem like a great fit, either. But I dunno. We'll see.
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Planeswalkers will probably not be guild-aligned, just like they were not faction-aligned in SOM. In that block every card except for the planeswalkers had a watermark; even though they opposed the phyrexians, planeswalkers are always on their own team.
We have been told repeatedly (and can easily see from what's been printed) that color balance at mythic is not an exact science. Planeswalker color is determined by creative, not design.
Shards block had a multicolor theme. There were three multicolor planeswalkers and two monocolor ones.
Planeswalkers will probably not be guild-aligned, just like they were not faction-aligned in SOM. In that block every card except for the planeswalkers had a watermark; even though they opposed the phyrexians, planeswalkers are always on their own team.
We have been told repeatedly (and can easily see from what's been printed) that color balance at mythic is not an exact science. Planeswalker color is determined by creative, not design.
Shards block had a multicolor theme. There were three multicolor planeswalkers and two monocolor ones.
If you look at the total planeswalker numbers though they seem to stick to somewhat of a balance though.
Obviously in one set there is no such thing as "balance" but overall they are working somewhat hard to keep a balance.
The same argument cannot apply to Gideon. This guy was seeing Chandra, a red planeswalker. The closest thing Jace had to a date was the black-aligned Liliana Vess. You'd think Jace would be more likely to go UB with that sort of taste in women.
What I've read about Gideon's backstory was that he could easily have become black-aligned with that kind of shady past. (And seriously, his -2 is black.) Guess he went the other way on the shady past.
I'm pretty sure they could work it to be whatever color they want. Easily, with flavor and mechanics in order. They made Garruk GB, after all.
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The planeswalker Jace Beleren has made Ravnica his adoptive home. But he's not the only planeswalker drawn to this diverse and complex plane. Tezzeret, Garruk Wildspeaker, Liliana Vess, Gideon Jura, and Chandra Nalaar have all visited here, drawn by its secrets and possibilities, and the plane boasts more than one planeswalker native as well.source
The only planeswalker we know of that was born on Ravnica is Mr. Ral Zarek
The planeswalker Jace Beleren has made Ravnica his adoptive home. But he's not the only planeswalker drawn to this diverse and complex plane. Tezzeret, Garruk Wildspeaker, Liliana Vess, Gideon Jura, and Chandra Nalaar have all visited here, drawn by its secrets and possibilities, and the plane boasts more than one planeswalker native as well.source
The only planeswalker we know of that was born on Ravnica is Mr. Ral Zarek
Well, we don't officially know where Kiora comes from, we speculate that she is from Shandalar due to her superficial resemblance to a certain Talrand, but it is technically possible for her to come from Ravnica as well.
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Im interested to see what people thinks gonna happen. I'm under the assumption that all planeswalkers will be multi-colored, so I'm thinking we are getting an Izzet jace. If we were getting only multicolred planeswalkers, what would you guys expect? Rakdos Tibalt? Golgari Nissa? or a brand new one entirely.
From "Planeswalker's Guide to Return to Ravnica: Part 1"
"The planeswalker Jace Beleren has made Ravnica his adoptive home. But he's not the only planeswalker drawn to this diverse and complex plane. Tezzeret, Garruk Wildspeaker, Liliana Vess, Gideon Jura, and Chandra Nalaar have all visited here, drawn by its secrets and possibilities, and the plane boasts more than one planeswalker native as well."
So they would be Jace, Tezzeret, Garruk, Liliana, Jura and Chandra.
And Ral zarek Maybe appear in DotPW as a PW (An AI Player) but as Niv does and he is just a Legendary Creature. So if Ral Zarek is going to appear in any set of RTR he will be a Legendary Creature.
in the other hand, if Ral Zarek don't appear in RTR, that would be maybe a Guildmage or maybe any spell from Izzet.
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Okay... I'm going to tear this apart... While Wizards can do whatever they want, Creative still has to follow the story they set up and they still control planeswalkers.
Jace is the posterboy of Blue and he's aligned with Izzet... He's not going to be UW... I doubt he's going to be UR, but that one is more likely.
Nissa, as hard as it is to say, is NOT going to show up.
Gideon is a mono-W kinda guy...
I have no say on the others, but Ral's inclusion would mean mono-U Jace.
People would argue for Gideon being R/W. He is a warrior planeswalker (just as Elsphet is a knight), and dipping into red would make sense for the character. That does not equal that he will be R/W when he does, simply that he can be.
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there is no confirmation that Jace is aligned with the Izzet.
He was on the poster with Niv Mizzet, but that doesn't indicate anything other than marketing.*
It isn't until Gatecrash that the tagline of "choose your guild" comes up.
*Remember when Sarkhan, Tezzeret, Ajani, and Elspeth teamed up against Bolas in Conflux? Me neither.
Marketing has to get people excited. Which means putting the two most marketable characters on the poster.
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Not disagreeing with that.
... Ral is a confirmed planeswalker. They don't make legendary creatures out of planeswalkers.
An argument could be made that it would be pre-ascension, but R&D tries to avoid confusion brought on by having multiple iterations of a character on the field.
There are exceptions, recently with Mikaeus, but it isn't something they believe in doing very commonly.
And there is a paper PW card of Ral Zarek in existence already?
While it may not the norm, it is altogether possible to have him pre-sparked in RtR.
The other PW would probably be from one of the other nonU guilds, Selesnya, Rakdos or Golgari.
Ed: And with the new Izzet vs Golgari coming out, that might be a Golgari aligned PW we'll see?
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However, it is not entirely likely that they would do such for reasons I already laid out in the previous post.
Being merely possible is not strong enough to make any speculation stand.
We are *not* getting an UR Jace. There is nothing red about him, there never has been anything red about him, there never will be anything red about him. WotC don't add (a) color(s) to planeswalkers for no good reason just because they can.
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The difference is notable though. Gatecrash has the tag "Choose your guild" however that isn't present with RTR.
Thereby, you can make the assertion that the walkers DO NOT choose which guild they align with until the second portion of the story/release.
Aside from that, look carefully at Gideon. Gideon bears the signet on his clothing... so where is the signet on Jace?
This is kinda funny. You say that Jace is more likely to be Izzet (seemingly based on the promotional artwork considering your other posts) than Azorius, and then go and say that Gideon is a mono-white when his promotional artwork clearly has the Boros emblem on his belt.
Jace being Izzet would be completely dropping the ball on the character unless they randomly threw him into a love story with Chandra <snicker>. He's never been shown as having ANY inclination toward the color. The promotional art proves nothing, and Ral has been clearly presented as being UR. They're not going to have two UR planeswalkers in the same block. Furthermore, the mothership profile for Jace uses the following words:
Per his description (directly from "creative" I dare say?), if he's not mono-blue, he should end up with one of those two colors. White makes the most sense.
Gideon on the other hand, as I said, clearly has the Boros emblem on his belt. To add to that, at the recent Con where they were going over most of the information we have about the sets, Gideon was said to have chosen his guild when they showed his promo art. How big of a hint does one need?
Nissa was a completely random guess. She fits a guild that's meant to show up in RtR since it's been made clear she likes dabbling in Black. How her search for a solution to the Eldrazi would lead her to Ravnica, I wouldn't know. Again - complete guess.
Kiora would have been a wildcard at one point, but Wizards has now established merfolk in Ravnica for whatever reason. Ral is pretty much expected to show up... but then... who knows? This is the speculation forum after all.
We have
5 W Planeswalkers
4 G Planeswalkers
4 B Planeswalkers
4 RPlaneswalkers
5 U Planeswalkers
1 RW Planeswalker
1 Colorless Planeswalker
1 RUB Planeswalker
1 RB Planeswalker
1 RG Planeswalker
1 WB Planeswalker
1 UB Planeswalker
1 UW Planeswalker
So outside of allied multicolor Planeswalkers we only have two Planeswalkers Ajani Vengeant and Sorin, of Innistrad that falls into the enemy color cycle.
I realize enemy colors are meaningless in Ravnica but if they were going for a more global representation I expect to see these types of Planeswalkers show up in this block.
UR
UG
GW
BG
Obviously they are not going to sacrifice a storyline planeswalker just because he would require say being UW or something, and they already have a UW planeswalker. I just have a hunch that those 4 color combos are the most likely to appear if we see a multi-color planeswalker.
It is amusing that mono-black was way behind in the planeswalker count until Innistrad and in that block we got a Liliana then they followed that up with another one in M13 all within the span of a year.
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I had to do a quick search since I hadn't seen the particular playmat in question. Albeit in a very different style than previously seen, that certainly looks to be a depiction of Ral and is very much UR. This pretty much confirms him in my mind to show up in Sinker. They *could* put him in RtR, but it's unlikely considering Jace is already confirmed to make an appearance. That also further discredits any discussion of a UR Jace and reinforces the probability of U or UW Jace.
I wouldn't hold my breath for Kiora. She's U/G, sure, but she's into huge sea monsters, something I wouldn't imagine would be in abundance on Ravnica. Maybe in Friends block. But then again, planeswalkers don't always have to have an obvious story tie-in (see Tamiyo on ISD, Gideon on Zendikar).
I think a R/U Ral Zarek and a mono-U Jace in the same set would be weird, but they did do both W/U Venser and mono-W Elspeth 2.0 in SOM (though to be fair it was somewhat balanced out by mono-R Koth).
Golgari Nissa seems weird. Sure, she's been dabbling in black magic, but she doesn't seem very "Golgari" to me. Selesnya doesn't seem like a great fit, either. But I dunno. We'll see.
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We have been told repeatedly (and can easily see from what's been printed) that color balance at mythic is not an exact science. Planeswalker color is determined by creative, not design.
Shards block had a multicolor theme. There were three multicolor planeswalkers and two monocolor ones.
If you look at the total planeswalker numbers though they seem to stick to somewhat of a balance though.
Obviously in one set there is no such thing as "balance" but overall they are working somewhat hard to keep a balance.
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What I've read about Gideon's backstory was that he could easily have become black-aligned with that kind of shady past. (And seriously, his -2 is black.) Guess he went the other way on the shady past.
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The only planeswalker we know of that was born on Ravnica is Mr. Ral Zarek
Well, we don't officially know where Kiora comes from, we speculate that she is from Shandalar due to her superficial resemblance to a certain Talrand, but it is technically possible for her to come from Ravnica as well.
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From "Planeswalker's Guide to Return to Ravnica: Part 1"
"The planeswalker Jace Beleren has made Ravnica his adoptive home. But he's not the only planeswalker drawn to this diverse and complex plane. Tezzeret, Garruk Wildspeaker, Liliana Vess, Gideon Jura, and Chandra Nalaar have all visited here, drawn by its secrets and possibilities, and the plane boasts more than one planeswalker native as well."
So they would be Jace, Tezzeret, Garruk, Liliana, Jura and Chandra.
No new ones...
That's not Ral Zarek.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=440699
Here you can find the differences.
And Ral zarek Maybe appear in DotPW as a PW (An AI Player) but as Niv does and he is just a Legendary Creature. So if Ral Zarek is going to appear in any set of RTR he will be a Legendary Creature.
in the other hand, if Ral Zarek don't appear in RTR, that would be maybe a Guildmage or maybe any spell from Izzet.
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