RB dual land
UB dual land
UW dual land
GW dual land
RG dual land
Well, continuing the cycle of lands in this block you can assume these will appear in this new larger set.
Any speculation on what these utility lands will do?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
I like current block formats the most.
Its so limited to its power scale against other formats.
Block constructed should be a more competitive format like it was back in Champions or Ravnica.
RW land = 2RW -> put a 1/1 human token onto the battlefield
UR land = 2UR -> target creature gets +2/+2 and flying until end of turn
UG land = 3UG -> gain 1 life for each creature card in your graveyard
The utility lands of INN and DKA have both clearly been drawing from Ravnica block lands, but seem to be have been modified slightly for thematic purposes and improved overall design. Some of the color combinations have varied slightly as well.
We've yet to see lands that resemble the Ravnica UR, UW and RB lands, which respectively allow you to cast a card off the top of your library, prevent damage from a source, and have players discard cards.
I'd like to think the remaining lands will have effects that resemble these, and I imagine the UR could have something related to flashback. But, as there will be no actual flashback in AVR, I think it will have to be indirectly related; maybe it has something as powerful as looting (draw and discard)? It still leaves us a vague picture of what remains, though.
RW land = 2RW -> put a 1/1 human token onto the battlefield
UR land = 2UR -> target creature gets +2/+2 and flying until end of turn
UG land = 3UG -> gain 1 life for each creature card in your graveyard
I doubt both that people would ever use your RW land and that WotC would print it, as Moorland Haunt is way better. 2RW is insane for 1 token, even if its uncountable. Not only that but I doubt they'd print 2 token making lands in one cycle. I think more likely would be something like a Lightning Helix variation. It would have to be carefully designed though because that could be a very powerful card. The trick would be making it do enough damage for people to use it, without having to cost so much that people would use it. I'm thinking "1RW,T: ~ deals 2 damage to target creature or player, and you gain 2 life." I like the flavor of it, Avacyn raining destruction down on the monsters and healing the humans at the same time.
The UR land is awesome, although I feel like a cost of 1UR would be better. That might be too low a cost though, with the evasion provided, uncounterability, and instant speed. I have a feeling that this land could be a powerhouse in combination with cards like Geist of Saint Traft. The biggest complaint, legendary status aside, has been the lack of evasion, and swords have been the only real solution. Swords get countered. This could not. Would make for rough mana bases though.
The GU land I think is printable, but not particularly playable. Maybe in block self-mill decks, which is obviously the intent, but the effect is already on a card, Gnaw to the Bone, actually a better effect. I honestly have no clue what they'd do for this one though. I was thinking a creature searching effect, but not with Tracker's Instinct in DKA. And with the connection G and U have had being specifically graveyard related and AVR not being graveyard based, I have no idea. Actually I think something like "1UG,T: Draw two cards, then discard two cards unless you discard a creature card." Actually this card could be really good especially with the U INN zombies. Dump creatures, including Skaab Ruinator, and go from there. Would help Ghoultree.
I swear I first read it as Wingbonger...something tells me that "As Long as Wingbonger is paired with another creature, both creatures have weed." wouldn't be as good. Seems solid for limited.
RW Lightning Helix land would be nice but way under costed. Look at Stensia BloodHall. I was gonna say UG land is not gonna happen, since they already have Gnaw To Bone.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
I like current block formats the most.
Its so limited to its power scale against other formats.
Block constructed should be a more competitive format like it was back in Champions or Ravnica.
RW Lightning Helix land would be nice but way under costed. Look at Stensia BloodHall. I was gonna say UG land is not gonna happen, since they already have Gnaw To Bone.
Yeah I suppose thats true, but Stensia Bloodhall is has showed up in tournaments, what once? But you have a good point I doubt they'd print one much more powerful than that, especially one that versatile. The reusable removal part is the strongest part, and that coupled with lifegain might end up being broken. That or overcosted and unplayable.
I swear I first read it as Wingbonger...something tells me that "As Long as Wingbonger is paired with another creature, both creatures have weed." wouldn't be as good. Seems solid for limited.
3 UG: becomes creature with p/t = land in grave yard
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
I like current block formats the most.
Its so limited to its power scale against other formats.
Block constructed should be a more competitive format like it was back in Champions or Ravnica.
You have to also look at the fact that they are taking out the only real graveyard "mechanic" in AVR, flashback. his tends to lean toward the direction that this set will not be entirely graveyard based. This makes me feel that the UG land will not be focused on all the graveyard ideas being made.
Then, if you look at it, all of the green utility lands have some sort of creature ability while both blue and green like to have that librarian ability, sadly, since they just had a werewolf created to do that I do not expect a land to do that same thing. So I have absolutely no idea how this land will work, I'm just fairly certain it will not focus on creatures or lands in graveyard.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
I don't post that often, but when I do, it looks like this.
RW utility land - First Strike and +1/+0 - 1WR
UR utility land - Draw two cards, then discard two cards - RU
I have no idea for the UG land, maybe a self milling type of thing?
Why put spectral flight on a land? Every utility land has had a dual land so far, I will still assume there will be more dual lands.
The set as whole does revolves around the grave, flashback might not be in AVR, but maybe Threshold could come back or an exile threshold even.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
I like current block formats the most.
Its so limited to its power scale against other formats.
Block constructed should be a more competitive format like it was back in Champions or Ravnica.
I doubt they'll print a shock helix land that activates for 1WR, T: Deal 2 to any target and gain 2 life. Do you realize how broken that would be? It would be ridiculously overpowered in modern and extended even.
It wouldn't surprise me if the UG land would just be some mill target player for 2UG for 5 cards despite it being on nephalia drownyard UG would fit. Could also potentially be a manland, but I doubt that since svogthos, the restless tomb is a card.
UR is probably some creature pump or something. Not too sure though.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"Yawgmoth," Freyalise whispered as she set the bomb, "now you will pay for your treachery."
They could print different dual lands for AVR. Lots of riffs on dual lands have been done in the past, like the SOM lands, the ZEN lifegain lands, the WWK manlands, the Shadowmoor/Eventide filter lands ... and that's just going back 5 years. Then again, the set doesn't really *need* dual lands. I don't think Rise of the Eldrazi had any--just Evolving Wilds.
Yeah, token generation doesn't "feel" red, but then again, deathtouch isn't normally white either. Lightning Helix land would have to be 1 damage or else be severely broken. Yeah, I'd bet on some kind of combat trick type of effect. UG lifegain land might be too powerful as a repeatable effect (Gnaw to the Bone by itself is already really good in a mill-yourself deck). Maybe land farming or something of that sort? UR Redirect/Fork land would probably be too powerful, having a repeatable and uncounterable counterspell every turn. I'd bet on looting of some kind. Or maybe unblockability? Or +1/+0 & flying?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Level 2 Judge
Currently playing:
Standard: Superfriends!
Legacy: Nic Fit / Pod
Pauper: Delvar; Tron; Flicker Stuff
Commander: Riku ("Some weird doubple spell thing happened"); Keranos ("I did a Gatherer search for 'random' and 'flip a coin.'"); Superfriends!
2RUT -> Reverberate 3RWT -> Creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain first stike until end of turn 1UGT -> Look at the top card of your library. You may reveal that card. If the revealed card is a creature card put it into your hand
I doubt that they'd print another set of duals. 8 rare lands in a small set is a huge stretch.
Here's my prediction though;
2UG, T: Target creature gains hexproof until EoT
2UR, T: Target creature is unblockable until EoT (In a round-about way this plays into red's 'can't block' mechanic)
1RW, T: Creatures you control gain haste and vigilance until EoT
I'm predicting this.
RW
2RW Tap
Creatures you control get +1/+0 and first strike until end of turn.
This would play off of scars of mirrodin block with battle cry. It's rally the forces for 4 cmc but repeatable anduncounterable. Nice, but not broken at all because it doesn't protect from damage removal like gut shot.
GU
UG2 tap, target player puts the top 2 cards into his or her graveyard for each card in that players hand.
Definitely will be mean to blue decks that like to keep a full hand, but will give them steam for snapcaster Mage and flashback. Very nice in limited IMO.
UR
UR2 tap, look at the top card of your library, if it's an instant or sorcery, you may reveal it. If you do, pay 1. deal damage equal to its cmc to target creature or player
Very good in UR delver late game. Essentially costs 6 mana, which is heavy, but nice when you have no cards in hand.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
On jace
By WeNeedControl
i tested jace tonight and its one of the worst planeswalkers. it never really does anything except make u lose. i suggest u sell yours for 17 each like i did.
then again on valakut
ROFL what? Valakut? The best card in standard is Jace the mind Sculptor
hm.... interesting.
Haters gonna hate on my jank decks.
I seem to be the only one to have picked up on this, but...
Those dual lands are in Magic2012, I doubt they'd reprint them in Avacyn Restored.
I agree it would be pointless to print a new cycle of allied-colored daual lands that will most likely be reprinted in M13, provided they don't reprint Ravnica Shocklands so when Ravnica 2.0 finally is printed, they can make a new land for the new theme of Ravnica.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Return to Ravnica is going to destroy my savings account. Standard:
Simic Delver UG EDH:
Thrun G
Niv-Mizzet UR
Vish-Kal WB
2RUT -> Reverberate 3RWT -> Creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain first stike until end of turn 1UGT -> Look at the top card of your library. You may reveal that card. If the revealed card is a creature card put it into your hand
I like those. For UG how about just 3UGT -> Reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put that card into your hand.
May be too good, but there are no current decks built to abuse it so I could see it getting printed.
I swear I first read it as Wingbonger...something tells me that "As Long as Wingbonger is paired with another creature, both creatures have weed." wouldn't be as good. Seems solid for limited.
UG will involve self mill or use the graveyard as some resource.
RU will support flashback (like looting for example)
RW.. weird that RW has no clear identity just after Scars block, where its the Mirran colors.
Why not? They have to create more things to hose undying afterall. Supports speculation on AVR for exile matters.
3URt: Each player discards his or her hand then draws that many cards.
Supports flashback but does not necessarily have flashback.
xGUt: Look at the top x cards of your library. Put a creature card among them with converted mana cost x into the battlefield, then put the rest at the bottom of your library in any order.
WHY do people think there will be *another* set of Enemy Duals in AVR?
I know they have enemy color spell lands in DKA,
but that's no reason to believe they would print two cycles of enemy duals in one block for the first time ever.
More ally-color duals is a *lot* more likely, IMO.
Maybe even ONS Fetches if we're really lucky.
I'm also not convinced we'll be seeing (U/R), (G/U), or (W/R) spell lands in AVR
(unfortunately... as (U/G) and (U/R) are my favorite enemy pairs).
They've done incomplete cycles before.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I'm also not convinced we'll be seeing (U/R), (G/U), or (W/R) spell lands in AVR
(unfortunately... as (U/G) and (U/R) are my favorite enemy pairs).
They've done incomplete cycles before.
MaRo specifically said they were printing part of a cycle in this block, and didn't specify then it would be finished, so it's theoretically possible that either he was referencing something other than Vault of the Archangel and Grim Backwoods, or the cycle will be finished in another block, but I'd say it's extremely unlikely that the cycle won't be finished. I think he might have said the cycle would be finished in AVR but work internets don't let me on the WotC site so I'll find the article later.
I swear I first read it as Wingbonger...something tells me that "As Long as Wingbonger is paired with another creature, both creatures have weed." wouldn't be as good. Seems solid for limited.
UR utility land
UG utility land
RB dual land
UB dual land
UW dual land
GW dual land
RG dual land
Well, continuing the cycle of lands in this block you can assume these will appear in this new larger set.
Any speculation on what these utility lands will do?
I like current block formats the most.
Its so limited to its power scale against other formats.
Block constructed should be a more competitive format like it was back in Champions or Ravnica.
Sig by DD Awie by CC
UR land = 2UR -> target creature gets +2/+2 and flying until end of turn
UG land = 3UG -> gain 1 life for each creature card in your graveyard
We've yet to see lands that resemble the Ravnica UR, UW and RB lands, which respectively allow you to cast a card off the top of your library, prevent damage from a source, and have players discard cards.
I'd like to think the remaining lands will have effects that resemble these, and I imagine the UR could have something related to flashback. But, as there will be no actual flashback in AVR, I think it will have to be indirectly related; maybe it has something as powerful as looting (draw and discard)? It still leaves us a vague picture of what remains, though.
I doubt both that people would ever use your RW land and that WotC would print it, as Moorland Haunt is way better. 2RW is insane for 1 token, even if its uncountable. Not only that but I doubt they'd print 2 token making lands in one cycle. I think more likely would be something like a Lightning Helix variation. It would have to be carefully designed though because that could be a very powerful card. The trick would be making it do enough damage for people to use it, without having to cost so much that people would use it. I'm thinking "1RW,T: ~ deals 2 damage to target creature or player, and you gain 2 life." I like the flavor of it, Avacyn raining destruction down on the monsters and healing the humans at the same time.
The UR land is awesome, although I feel like a cost of 1UR would be better. That might be too low a cost though, with the evasion provided, uncounterability, and instant speed. I have a feeling that this land could be a powerhouse in combination with cards like Geist of Saint Traft. The biggest complaint, legendary status aside, has been the lack of evasion, and swords have been the only real solution. Swords get countered. This could not. Would make for rough mana bases though.
The GU land I think is printable, but not particularly playable. Maybe in block self-mill decks, which is obviously the intent, but the effect is already on a card, Gnaw to the Bone, actually a better effect. I honestly have no clue what they'd do for this one though. I was thinking a creature searching effect, but not with Tracker's Instinct in DKA. And with the connection G and U have had being specifically graveyard related and AVR not being graveyard based, I have no idea. Actually I think something like "1UG,T: Draw two cards, then discard two cards unless you discard a creature card." Actually this card could be really good especially with the U INN zombies. Dump creatures, including Skaab Ruinator, and go from there. Would help Ghoultree.
RIP Mike McArtor. The Mothership won't be the same.
Legacy
GG Aggro Elves GG
I like current block formats the most.
Its so limited to its power scale against other formats.
Block constructed should be a more competitive format like it was back in Champions or Ravnica.
Sig by DD Awie by CC
Actually I could see that. Avacyn sending a bunch of angels there to keep it safe, hence W, and its in the mountains, hence R.
Yeah I suppose thats true, but Stensia Bloodhall is has showed up in tournaments, what once? But you have a good point I doubt they'd print one much more powerful than that, especially one that versatile. The reusable removal part is the strongest part, and that coupled with lifegain might end up being broken. That or overcosted and unplayable.
RIP Mike McArtor. The Mothership won't be the same.
Legacy
GG Aggro Elves GG
UR will loot.
UG will involve weird top-of-library manipulation.
Thinking about UG...mill themed man land.
3 UG: becomes creature with p/t = land in grave yard
I like current block formats the most.
Its so limited to its power scale against other formats.
Block constructed should be a more competitive format like it was back in Champions or Ravnica.
Sig by DD Awie by CC
Then, if you look at it, all of the green utility lands have some sort of creature ability while both blue and green like to have that librarian ability, sadly, since they just had a werewolf created to do that I do not expect a land to do that same thing. So I have absolutely no idea how this land will work, I'm just fairly certain it will not focus on creatures or lands in graveyard.
UR utility land - Draw two cards, then discard two cards - RU
I have no idea for the UG land, maybe a self milling type of thing?
The set as whole does revolves around the grave, flashback might not be in AVR, but maybe Threshold could come back or an exile threshold even.
I like current block formats the most.
Its so limited to its power scale against other formats.
Block constructed should be a more competitive format like it was back in Champions or Ravnica.
Sig by DD Awie by CC
It wouldn't surprise me if the UG land would just be some mill target player for 2UG for 5 cards despite it being on nephalia drownyard UG would fit. Could also potentially be a manland, but I doubt that since svogthos, the restless tomb is a card.
UR is probably some creature pump or something. Not too sure though.
Currently Playing:
Retired
Yeah, token generation doesn't "feel" red, but then again, deathtouch isn't normally white either. Lightning Helix land would have to be 1 damage or else be severely broken. Yeah, I'd bet on some kind of combat trick type of effect. UG lifegain land might be too powerful as a repeatable effect (Gnaw to the Bone by itself is already really good in a mill-yourself deck). Maybe land farming or something of that sort? UR Redirect/Fork land would probably be too powerful, having a repeatable and uncounterable counterspell every turn. I'd bet on looting of some kind. Or maybe unblockability? Or +1/+0 & flying?
Currently playing:
Standard: Superfriends!
Legacy: Nic Fit / Pod
Pauper: Delvar; Tron; Flicker Stuff
Commander: Riku ("Some weird doubple spell thing happened"); Keranos ("I did a Gatherer search for 'random' and 'flip a coin.'"); Superfriends!
3RWT -> Creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain first stike until end of turn
1UGT -> Look at the top card of your library. You may reveal that card. If the revealed card is a creature card put it into your hand
Niv-Mizzet Ramp 'n' Wheel
Godo: Strap him up and turn him sideways!
Here's my prediction though;
2UG, T: Target creature gains hexproof until EoT
2UR, T: Target creature is unblockable until EoT (In a round-about way this plays into red's 'can't block' mechanic)
1RW, T: Creatures you control gain haste and vigilance until EoT
RW
2RW Tap
Creatures you control get +1/+0 and first strike until end of turn.
This would play off of scars of mirrodin block with battle cry. It's rally the forces for 4 cmc but repeatable anduncounterable. Nice, but not broken at all because it doesn't protect from damage removal like gut shot.
GU
UG2 tap, target player puts the top 2 cards into his or her graveyard for each card in that players hand.
Definitely will be mean to blue decks that like to keep a full hand, but will give them steam for snapcaster Mage and flashback. Very nice in limited IMO.
UR
UR2 tap, look at the top card of your library, if it's an instant or sorcery, you may reveal it. If you do, pay 1. deal damage equal to its cmc to target creature or player
Very good in UR delver late game. Essentially costs 6 mana, which is heavy, but nice when you have no cards in hand.
By WeNeedControl
then again on valakut
hm.... interesting.
Haters gonna hate on my jank decks.
ACR is a large set though - same size as INN which had 10 rare lands.
Question is, will we get a full dual land cycle?
We are getting 3 utility lands, will we get 2 other lands to make 5?
I agree it would be pointless to print a new cycle of allied-colored daual lands that will most likely be reprinted in M13, provided they don't reprint Ravnica Shocklands so when Ravnica 2.0 finally is printed, they can make a new land for the new theme of Ravnica.
Return to Ravnica is going to destroy my savings account.
Standard:
Simic Delver UG
EDH:
Thrun G
Niv-Mizzet UR
Vish-Kal WB
I like those. For UG how about just 3UGT -> Reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put that card into your hand.
May be too good, but there are no current decks built to abuse it so I could see it getting printed.
Did you pay attention to DKA at all? Vault of the Archangel and Grim Backwoods.
If you mean lands that produce 2 colors not likely.
RIP Mike McArtor. The Mothership won't be the same.
Legacy
GG Aggro Elves GG
UG will involve self mill or use the graveyard as some resource.
RU will support flashback (like looting for example)
RW.. weird that RW has no clear identity just after Scars block, where its the Mirran colors.
3RWt: Exile target creature.
Why not? They have to create more things to hose undying afterall. Supports speculation on AVR for exile matters.
3URt: Each player discards his or her hand then draws that many cards.
Supports flashback but does not necessarily have flashback.
xGUt: Look at the top x cards of your library. Put a creature card among them with converted mana cost x into the battlefield, then put the rest at the bottom of your library in any order.
^
Ha I wish...
I know they have enemy color spell lands in DKA,
but that's no reason to believe they would print two cycles of enemy duals in one block for the first time ever.
More ally-color duals is a *lot* more likely, IMO.
Maybe even ONS Fetches if we're really lucky.
I'm also not convinced we'll be seeing (U/R), (G/U), or (W/R) spell lands in AVR
(unfortunately... as (U/G) and (U/R) are my favorite enemy pairs).
They've done incomplete cycles before.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
MaRo specifically said they were printing part of a cycle in this block, and didn't specify then it would be finished, so it's theoretically possible that either he was referencing something other than Vault of the Archangel and Grim Backwoods, or the cycle will be finished in another block, but I'd say it's extremely unlikely that the cycle won't be finished. I think he might have said the cycle would be finished in AVR but work internets don't let me on the WotC site so I'll find the article later.
RIP Mike McArtor. The Mothership won't be the same.
Legacy
GG Aggro Elves GG