I was speculating on what mechanics we might see in Avacyn Restored. We know that mechanics such as Flashback and Double-faced Cards are not returning, but I thought, what about Undying?
If the storyline of Avacyn Restored is of Good prevailing over the Monsters, it wouldn't make sense for Undying to return the way it was in Dark Ascension. But, what if instead Undying was given to "holy" White creatures?
To me, "undying" means "eternal life" just as much as it means "undead". Plus, literature and film is full of Good characters who come back to life. If they continue with the top-down design theme, we just might see White creatures with Undying.
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I think it'd be pretty cool. If they didn't, I think they'd be missing a fun opportunity to spread this mechanic to white; much like I think they might if they don't move Fateful Hour to other colors as well.
Avacyn Restored is going to be mechanically independent from ISD and DKA, so I seriously doubt we'll see a return of the Undying mechanic. Likely it will be a one-and-done mechanic like Battle Cry.
Well I heard about "No Flashback" and "No DFCs"; but how do you know it's mechanically independent? I haven't heard a confirmation everything in INN and DKA is going to abandoned for shiny new mechanics.
From the Ally issue with RoE, I think there is a likelyhood to continue linear mechanics, such as tribal, and to a lesser extent, milling. I think Undying is unlikely to continue, as it is more of a set (Dark Ascension) mechanic than a block mechanic.
If Mikaeus returns, i think he should look like this-
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When Mikaeus, the Restored enters the battlefield, remove all +1/+1 counters from all creatures. Then return all humans in your graveyard to the battlefield, then sacrifice them.
White creatures you control get +1/+1 for each non-white creature each opponent controls and have undying.
3/5
Although he is sorta clunky but has infinite potential, I think he would see play without being broken.
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hm.... interesting.
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I can see a few humans with it, something like "Returning Hero" or smething, but I mostly see spirits, angels and minor other non humans creatures with undying.
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I don't think they'd pull a 180 on us by having Undying meaning two completely different things flavor-wise. Also, as mentioned, it is a stand-alone big set. Not even the great Flashback will be returning.
I don't think they'd pull a 180 on us by having Undying meaning two completely different things flavor-wise. Also, as mentioned, it is a stand-alone big set. Not even the great Flashback will be returning.
Wait, not even Flashback?
That sure is a bummer then if true, that kinda means self-mill probably wont get too many new cards to use..
I don't think they'd pull a 180 on us by having Undying meaning two completely different things flavor-wise. Also, as mentioned, it is a stand-alone big set. Not even the great Flashback will be returning.
They originally were going to have flashback in AVR. They did want to have a mechanic connection. The same thought that the OP made had occured to me as well. Undying can certainly be given a Resurrection flavor, which would be an interresting twist on the mechanic.
Also, the mechanic doesn't "track the graveyard" as flashback does. Undying wouldn't be a problem with the speculated exile zone interactions that made flashback get the boot.
I'd be all for undying moving to white and humans, but the flavor in DKA is that of an unkillable horror. Like others have said, they likely wouldn't pull that move. I'd look for "softer" mechanical connections, like the continuation of relevant creature types.
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Nice one op, yeah i can see it now,
White Angel with Undying will be really sweet
What if it was a 6 drop [[Serra Angel]] the flipped into [[Baneslayer Angel]]?
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Undying doesn't necessarily mean a graveyard theme. As people have pointed out, they are making a mechanical connection, and we know its not flashback or DFCs. That leaves Undying, Fateful Hour, and Morbid.
I swear I first read it as Wingbonger...something tells me that "As Long as Wingbonger is paired with another creature, both creatures have weed." wouldn't be as good. Seems solid for limited.
As people have pointed out, they are making a mechanical connection
Do we have a confirmation on this?
If you're referencing what the other people in the thread have been saying, it's all based on speculation and shouldn't be repeated as fact.
As far as I know, there has been no confirmation there will be any mechanical connection between the two blocks.
As far as I know, there has been no confirmation there will be any mechanical connection between the two blocks.
There is confirmation that they were going to have flashback in AVR and there are several official comments that they wish there had been some actual shared mechanics between ZEN-WWK and ROE, specifically allies.
Sure, you can say it's not unequivocal proof there will be a mechanical connection, but we know it was part of the plan when they were doing a second attempt at a big third set. I think that is what orbz621 was getting at.
I certainly hope there's more undying in AVR, and it's not a total unrelated curveball like RoE was... I'm pretty sure it'll still be graveyard-themed even though MaRo promises no flashback.
Maybe it will be "graveyard themed" in the sense of keeping stuff out of it? Like with Undying, and maybe Delve? That way they can have a complete lack of mechanical continuity while still connecting them.
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Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
If the storyline of Avacyn Restored is of Good prevailing over the Monsters, it wouldn't make sense for Undying to return the way it was in Dark Ascension. But, what if instead Undying was given to "holy" White creatures?
To me, "undying" means "eternal life" just as much as it means "undead". Plus, literature and film is full of Good characters who come back to life. If they continue with the top-down design theme, we just might see White creatures with Undying.
What do you think?
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once again White, this time granting Undying to Humans instead of Non-humans.
Some sort of Undying Angel would seem fitting, as well.
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yes! please! maybe a G/W Mikaeus (Human Spirit?)
Mikaeus, the Rested
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When Mikaeus, the Restored enters the battlefield, remove all +1/+1 counters from all creatures. Then return all humans in your graveyard to the battlefield, then sacrifice them.
White creatures you control get +1/+1 for each non-white creature each opponent controls and have undying.
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Although he is sorta clunky but has infinite potential, I think he would see play without being broken.
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hm.... interesting.
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Wait, not even Flashback?
That sure is a bummer then if true, that kinda means self-mill probably wont get too many new cards to use..
They originally were going to have flashback in AVR. They did want to have a mechanic connection. The same thought that the OP made had occured to me as well. Undying can certainly be given a Resurrection flavor, which would be an interresting twist on the mechanic.
Also, the mechanic doesn't "track the graveyard" as flashback does. Undying wouldn't be a problem with the speculated exile zone interactions that made flashback get the boot.
White Angel with Undying will be really sweet
What if it was a 6 drop [[Serra Angel]] the flipped into [[Baneslayer Angel]]?
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Then Wizards lied. There aren't any DFC's in AVR.
It would be cool if they came back with abilities from Undying. "If there is a +1/+1 counter, this gains blah blah blah".
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Do we have a confirmation on this?
If you're referencing what the other people in the thread have been saying, it's all based on speculation and shouldn't be repeated as fact.
As far as I know, there has been no confirmation there will be any mechanical connection between the two blocks.
There is confirmation that they were going to have flashback in AVR and there are several official comments that they wish there had been some actual shared mechanics between ZEN-WWK and ROE, specifically allies.
Sure, you can say it's not unequivocal proof there will be a mechanical connection, but we know it was part of the plan when they were doing a second attempt at a big third set. I think that is what orbz621 was getting at.
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