I was thinking about the Planeswalker and wondering if anyone else think that we could see non-rare Planeswalkers soon, cards like this one (which I guess would end up as an uncommon):
Votn, the Enlightened 2WW
Planeswalker-Votn
-1: You gain 3 life
(3)
What I mean is that it's a lot more simpler and weaker than regular Planeswalker, while still having potential with proliferate for example.
They wouldn't need to have a place in the story anyway. I've read the new Mirrodin book that just came out and the praetors aren't in it, yet they seem to be major characters in New Phyrexia.
Any thoughts about that
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I have always thought that they might do something for planeswalkers that they did for legendaries. Muck like Kamigawa, the whole block would be just be full of planeswalkers and that is where we might see rare walkers. I can imagine any of the rare ones to have two abilities along with something else like "X can use activated abilities as though they were instant", but keeping the abilities within reason. While Uncommon would probably be very unlikely, as at that point they might as well just print a slew of spellshapers (which, in my mind at least, are sort of similar to planeswalker, except with all of that easily killed business) with more than one tap ability.
I can only imagine it will only be a matter of time before they do anything like that. I can also imagine that it won't be any time soon.
As for pure baseless speculation. I can imagine a green planeswalker with an affinity for shapeshifting having Trample at all times while being able to turn into some, but that is something the rules couldn't do for some very odd reason.
Doubtful. Wizard's marketing strategy seems to be built around keeping PWs "special" so that even crummy useless ones go for 5$. Printing them at uncommon or even rare would desensitize players to them.
I could see Wizards doing another legend themed set and have planeswalkers as a subtheme though.
Having so many Legends in Kamigawa block is a noted mistake. Mark Rosewater discussed it in his most recent article about legends, I believe. They won't do the same with planeswalkers. There won't be a planeswalker block. There won't be uncommon planeswalkers.
Planeswalkers are mythic by definition. Most creatures in the multiverse dont even know their existence. Maybe they only heard about them in stories. Maybe some of them dont even believe in them...
However Wizards jumping the shark on a PW block is not impossible, but really really unlikely.
I personally think that we are more likely to see the return of Vanguard (oh please lord please) than that. As said above they are pretty unique storywise and as noted near the beginning you could just as easily make a legendary Spellshaper to give you the same feel of a cheap "walker" I would love to see some Generic Walkers, but honestly, I don't even think that is ever going to be likely.
aren't walkers supposed to be ever powerful beings of some sort? i can't see them printing cheap, generic, or weakened walkers for that reason. maybe some kind of youngling walker at rare with only 2 abilities, but even that is a stretch.
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I could see a rare walker. If WotC ever wanted to do 10 walkers in a block, 5 mythics, and 5 rares it could be done, maybe a great war that has many walkers on one plane.
Who knows, but it can be done, as for an uncommon one, I'd seriously doubt it. The card you posted looks, feels, and should just be a creature with that ability.
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I think they could be rare in the Mxx sets at this point. No one wants one of those walkers in their mythic slot anymore (except maybe gideon this time around)
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It’s the kind of action Chopin would conduct if say, he were conducting ninja warriors.
Didn't Maro say at one point that all planeswalkers would be mythics? I'll have to look for the article, but I highly doubt a planeswalker could ever be a rare.
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I fully expect that there will be non-mythic planeswalkers at some point. In fact, I've toyed with the idea in the Custom Card Creation forum. Here's a quote from Mark Rosewater concerning the power-level of post-mending 'neowalkers':
"...but there are also planeswalkers that are just a hair breadth's away from normal folk." (take from the Planeswalker Rules article of 2007)
For all the people saying they'll never print Planewalkers at anything below Mythic; how many of you thought they'd never make a set entirely based on creatures either? Or coloured artifacts?
Just because they don't see themselves doing so in the foreseeable future doesn't mean it's impossible. Improbable and unlikely, yes, but who knows what another decade or two could bring.
At a long term view, almost anything could happen. A sixth colour? Rare/Uncommon Planeswalkers? A fifth rarity? WOTC deciding they want a Scrooge McDuck style money pit fueled by a "Power 9 + Dual Lands at Mythic" reprint? All of these are so unlikely as to have functionally zero chance of happening... but it's not impossible.
It seems like a bit of a holy cow, but it could be slaughted at some point, but we're probably 4-5 years away from it even being considered an option.
And it would have to fit flavourwise too, how would you have a planeswalker not be mythically rare?
The culmination of a titanic battle between super-powerful (Mythic level) Planewalkers; evil appears to have the upper hand, and just as it goes to deliver the killing blow the good guys sacrifice themselves to share their Sparks with the rest of the plane's inhabitants. Heavily diluted as the spread effect might be, it nonetheless instills a modicum of power into hundreds or thousands of people. (basically the route DC Universe Online took for explaining the sudden introduction of thousands of superheroes/villains to the planet)
Individually they may be no match for a Mythic level planeswalker, but as a group the Rare and Uncommon level ones might pose a challenge for them en masse, in the same way that in the game mechanics terms, the lower level walkers might not be as powerful (or have the same number/diversity of abilities), but with a handful of them down on your side might make all the difference.
Someone in this thread even posted a comment from years back noting that not every walker has to be on par with the big names, and that makes sense thematically; assuming some learn/earn their power (they aren't just born or created with it), what would happen if you took a snapshot of Jace or Chandra years ago, prior to their current power level? Maybe while they were still refining their abilities? Hell, I'm not up to speed on the fluff, but one could even say that there's some existing precedent between the original Jace and JTMS (in mechanical terms if not the storyline; again, I have no idea what the tie is between them).
I would think that you could print a walker at rare for two abilities, neither of which were very strong or where one of them was strong but very narrow. Because of how hard it is to remove walkers once they're in play WotC needs them to show up rarely in limited. Unless they're ready to print good walker removal other than creatures and silly tricks.
For all the people saying they'll never print Planewalkers at anything below Mythic; how many of you thought they'd never make a set entirely based on creatures either? Or coloured artifacts?
Just because they don't see themselves doing so in the foreseeable future doesn't mean it's impossible. Improbable and unlikely, yes, but who knows what another decade or two could bring.
At a long term view, almost anything could happen. A sixth colour? Rare/Uncommon Planeswalkers? A fifth rarity? WOTC deciding they want a Scrooge McDuck style money pit fueled by a "Power 9 + Dual Lands at Mythic" reprint? All of these are so unlikely as to have functionally zero chance of happening... but it's not impossible.
I would say you have it right here.
1. could they, sure
2. are there any plans to, Probably Not (99.999%)
3. does this thread really have anywhere else to go other then Custom Card Creation, no
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right now I don't want to see non-Rare Planeswalkers...
it seems very unflavorful O_o
but if they are going to print non-Rare walkers, why don't they just print Legendary Creatures instead... after all they are weaker than normal walkers and that could be the reason they are susceptible to removals.
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I would say you have it right here.
1. could they, sure
2. are there any plans to, Probably Not (99.999%)
3. does this thread really have anywhere else to go other then Custom Card Creation, no
This thread is not about custom card creation, it's about speculation, and your opinion is not shared by everyone, we are here to discuss, as I intended with my first post and this kind of thread warrants a more profound answer than ''sure''
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If there is such a thing as too much power, I have not discovered it!
I think we'll see an uncommon planeswalker at some point. Maybe not in the next ten years, but it's not out of the question. That all Mythic Era PWs have been mythic and not rare means it will take more time to cross into uncommon, because we have to get through rare first.
So many things have been changed in this game that it's hard to have faith that any particular rule won't be broken in the long run.
Also, flavor tends to be an excuse for anomalous cards, rather than a restrictive force. Green direct damage? It's flavorful. A zero mana indestructible artifact that literally does nothing? Flavorful. It's true that the status quo for PWs today is mythic and powerful, but when the time comes to print an uncommon one, you can be sure they will use flavor as an excuse. Maybe it's a young PW, maybe he's incompetent or doesn't like sharing his power that much, whatever. If they want to do it, they can find a way to justify it.
What I mean is that it's a lot more simpler and weaker than regular Planeswalker, while still having potential with proliferate for example.
They wouldn't need to have a place in the story anyway. I've read the new Mirrodin book that just came out and the praetors aren't in it, yet they seem to be major characters in New Phyrexia.
Any thoughts about that
Wintermute's book nothing more than a magic headache. The praetors are a major part of the story but all we got is a butchered retconned book that has worse errors in it than a normal college paper.
That being said I could see them doing non mythic walkers but in the far future.
Votn, the Enlightened 2WW
Planeswalker-Votn
-1: You gain 3 life
(3)
What I mean is that it's a lot more simpler and weaker than regular Planeswalker, while still having potential with proliferate for example.
They wouldn't need to have a place in the story anyway. I've read the new Mirrodin book that just came out and the praetors aren't in it, yet they seem to be major characters in New Phyrexia.
Any thoughts about that
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I can only imagine it will only be a matter of time before they do anything like that. I can also imagine that it won't be any time soon.
As for pure baseless speculation. I can imagine a green planeswalker with an affinity for shapeshifting having Trample at all times while being able to turn into some, but that is something the rules couldn't do for some very odd reason.
A PW block would also be kinda of absurd since they're fundamentally different from legends.
I could see Wizards doing another legend themed set and have planeswalkers as a subtheme though.
However Wizards jumping the shark on a PW block is not impossible, but really really unlikely.
Who knows, but it can be done, as for an uncommon one, I'd seriously doubt it. The card you posted looks, feels, and should just be a creature with that ability.
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"...but there are also planeswalkers that are just a hair breadth's away from normal folk." (take from the Planeswalker Rules article of 2007)
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Just because they don't see themselves doing so in the foreseeable future doesn't mean it's impossible. Improbable and unlikely, yes, but who knows what another decade or two could bring.
At a long term view, almost anything could happen. A sixth colour? Rare/Uncommon Planeswalkers? A fifth rarity? WOTC deciding they want a Scrooge McDuck style money pit fueled by a "Power 9 + Dual Lands at Mythic" reprint? All of these are so unlikely as to have functionally zero chance of happening... but it's not impossible.
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And it would have to fit flavourwise too, how would you have a planeswalker not be mythically rare?
[[b]B]DCI Level 2 Judge[/B][/b]The culmination of a titanic battle between super-powerful (Mythic level) Planewalkers; evil appears to have the upper hand, and just as it goes to deliver the killing blow the good guys sacrifice themselves to share their Sparks with the rest of the plane's inhabitants. Heavily diluted as the spread effect might be, it nonetheless instills a modicum of power into hundreds or thousands of people. (basically the route DC Universe Online took for explaining the sudden introduction of thousands of superheroes/villains to the planet)
Individually they may be no match for a Mythic level planeswalker, but as a group the Rare and Uncommon level ones might pose a challenge for them en masse, in the same way that in the game mechanics terms, the lower level walkers might not be as powerful (or have the same number/diversity of abilities), but with a handful of them down on your side might make all the difference.
Someone in this thread even posted a comment from years back noting that not every walker has to be on par with the big names, and that makes sense thematically; assuming some learn/earn their power (they aren't just born or created with it), what would happen if you took a snapshot of Jace or Chandra years ago, prior to their current power level? Maybe while they were still refining their abilities? Hell, I'm not up to speed on the fluff, but one could even say that there's some existing precedent between the original Jace and JTMS (in mechanical terms if not the storyline; again, I have no idea what the tie is between them).
WCommander EeshaBDrana, Kalastria BloodchiefBGGlissa, the TraitorBWVish Kal, Blood ArbiterRUNin, the Pain Artist
UGEdric, Spymaster of TrestWRBasandra, Battle SeraphBGWDoran, the Siege TowerBGWGhave, Guru of Spores
RGWUril, the MiststalkerGUBThe MimeoplasmUWGRafiq of the ManyWUBRGSliver Overlord
I would say you have it right here.
1. could they, sure
2. are there any plans to, Probably Not (99.999%)
3. does this thread really have anywhere else to go other then Custom Card Creation, no
There's no proof she's being chased
by ninja squirrels either. - Dr. Wilson
it seems very unflavorful O_o
but if they are going to print non-Rare walkers, why don't they just print Legendary Creatures instead... after all they are weaker than normal walkers and that could be the reason they are susceptible to removals.
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Projects under construction:
Standard:
- Werewolves... O_o
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- Sliver Overlord EDH
- Riku
This thread is not about custom card creation, it's about speculation, and your opinion is not shared by everyone, we are here to discuss, as I intended with my first post and this kind of thread warrants a more profound answer than ''sure''
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So many things have been changed in this game that it's hard to have faith that any particular rule won't be broken in the long run.
Also, flavor tends to be an excuse for anomalous cards, rather than a restrictive force. Green direct damage? It's flavorful. A zero mana indestructible artifact that literally does nothing? Flavorful. It's true that the status quo for PWs today is mythic and powerful, but when the time comes to print an uncommon one, you can be sure they will use flavor as an excuse. Maybe it's a young PW, maybe he's incompetent or doesn't like sharing his power that much, whatever. If they want to do it, they can find a way to justify it.
Wintermute's book nothing more than a magic headache. The praetors are a major part of the story but all we got is a butchered retconned book that has worse errors in it than a normal college paper.
That being said I could see them doing non mythic walkers but in the far future.
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