This just shows how spoiled Magic players have become with the powercreep.
Cards exist within a context. Garruk's companion is a bad card. Watchwolf didn't trade with bears and went through the standard burn spell from it's time (Shock). Also it didn't have to deal with colorshifted Wall of Blossoms. Player's haven't been spoiled by the power creep, players adapt to the new card pool.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, i'm fine with signature spells, but i wouldn't say they are constructed playable (beyond what i think about redundancy in m10/m11 overlap) . Hopefully this new paintings suggest rare cards that may actually see a lot of play.
m12? Have they even released any info on that? How do we know if its from M12? Especially when there is no conformation that there will be a M12.
This was the quote from the #magicprotour tweet - GP Gothenburg: the first EVER look at a Magic 2012 card as Aleksi Briclot painted it live - Chandra's Phoenix!!!
Are we really sure that the name of the card is "Chandra's Phoenix?" I was under the impression that was just the name people have been giving it based on the art description, which, you know, says that Chandra's Phoenix is exactly what it is. Wizards prolly still has to come up with a good name.
Maybe. The set isn't finalised, so it's possible that the Creative team have no yet worked their magic (pun intended).
However, given the New rise of signature spells in 2011, it's just as likely that "Chandra's Phoenix" is the actual cardname.
My $0.02 anyways.
Note: If everyone here complained about the Planeswalkers Signature names, using the proper lines of communication (as featured in feedback week!) I wonder if they'd ACTUALLY change the names? It'd be a cool experiment... Get each person who gave negative feedback to sign a petition or something ^^
Well well the Chandra pictured here is a lot like Chandra Ablaze
Maybe we'll se her in M12?
really? so...Chandra looks like Chandra? you win
on a side note - stop whining about the "lazy naming." what else would you name a Planeswalker's signature spell? It isn's lazy at all. R&D came up with the idea that the 5 represented planeswalkers in M11 should have signature spells that help newer players better understand the flavor and depth of them.
I swear if Wizards put gold coins in the packs, people would complain that it isn't a gold trapezoid because they like trapezoids more than circles
Lastly, wow is this really what mtgs forums look like? complaining, whining, and criticizing the ones who make the cards (which is a pretty hard job)?
Seriously, the signature spells were cool, and it's nice the Lorwyn walkers have come down in price from so many printings, but we're bordering on making the game about them, and not the player being the walker.
Seriously, the signature spells were cool, and it's nice the Lorwyn walkers have come down in price from so many printings, but we're bordering on making the game about them, and not the player being the walker.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who actually likes the Planeswalker spells. From a creative and branding standpoint, they are very smart. And some of them are even good!
Seriously, the signature spells were cool, and it's nice the Lorwyn walkers have come down in price from so many printings, but we're bordering on making the game about them, and not the player being the walker.
Well with newest jace it be more apropiate to be named "jace's wallet parasite" so we can all apreciate mythics for what they really are and it could have a comulative upkeep of "burn a dollar every turn or this deals 10 dmg to you", but that will make it broken with bazzar trader / end rant / end sarcasm.
i dont mind PW named cards just be more subtle like with the enchantment cycle back in urzas day (plane's walker ire, myrth, scorn, etc)
Well if it is really for M12 then I'm happy cause it probably means that Lorwyn walkers will remain in the coresets.
It's okay for Baneslayer Angel and Chandra to be in a corset, but I'm not sure anyone wants to see Garruk in one.
More seriously though, These X's Y cards are pretty annoying. I like Jace's Ingenuity and Garruk's Champion, but flavour-wise, wizards can do better than that. Have Jace on the picture, sure, but call it Thoughtful Ingenuity or something a little better than like 'this-dude's-kick-ass-spell.' I always had this problem with D&D's "This-dude-who-isn't-you-and-we're-not-sure-how-you-figured-it-out-on-you-own-because-you're-a-sorcerer's Acid Arrow." It seems like a horrible thing to port over from D&D. If they were doing that, then where are my beholders? Hmmm?! WHERE WIZARDS!?
on a side note - stop whining about the "lazy naming." what else would you name a Planeswalker's signature spell? It isn's lazy at all. R&D came up with the idea that the 5 represented planeswalkers in M11 should have signature spells that help newer players better understand the flavor and depth of them.
I swear if Wizards put gold coins in the packs, people would complain that it isn't a gold trapezoid because they like trapezoids more than circles
Lastly, wow is this really what mtgs forums look like? complaining, whining, and criticizing the ones who make the cards (which is a pretty hard job)?
I like your style.
And yes, this is what the majority of people on this forum are like. The same is true for any other forum or place of public discussion anywhere. But there are other places on the site that aren't bad at all, depending on your interests, so don't feel the need to leave or anything.
The reason for why "signature spells" were created has been given by Wizards, and stated in this thread at least once already, so I'm not even going to bother engaging in an argument about it, because the people who don't understand why aren't going to start doing so just because I reiterate the point again. But I will go ahead and say that even blunt, "lazy" names like this have their place. They're simple, to the point, and tell you what they are. And in this case, the fact that it's connected to Chandra carries with it a bunch of other flavor connections. If every single card had a name like "Incandescent Emberfowl" people would get plenty sick of it really quick.
on a side note - stop whining about the "lazy naming." what else would you name a Planeswalker's signature spell? It isn's lazy at all. R&D came up with the idea that the 5 represented planeswalkers in M11 should have signature spells that help newer players better understand the flavor and depth of them.
The reason for why "signature spells" were created has been given by Wizards, and stated in this thread at least once already, so I'm not even going to bother engaging in an argument about it, because the people who don't understand why aren't going to start doing so just because I reiterate the point again. But I will go ahead and say that even blunt, "lazy" names like this have their place. They're simple, to the point, and tell you what they are. And in this case, the fact that it's connected to Chandra carries with it a bunch of other flavor connections. If every single card had a name like "Incandescent Emberfowl" people would get plenty sick of it really quick.
I'm kind of in the middle ground. I like the Chandra's part. I like that we know this is HER spell and we've learned it. I just don't like the phoenix because they could do more with that part of the name. They didn't call Garruk's Companion "Garruk's Beast" (Though they may have in playtesting). I'm just hoping it's the same thing. We'll know it's a phoenix by it's typeline, so what's Chandra's name for it? Garruk calls his beasts companions and packleaders, Ajani has his pridemates. Chandra even has a spitfire. Please don't let it be like Liliana's Specter.
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From an R&D point of view, refreshing the cycle of planeswalkers for M12 might not be such a bad idea. But, it's a core set, so there are rules.
- must not be multicoloured
- must be one planeswalker per colour
- must be a reprint of a previous 'walker
My guess is Elspeth knight errand for white, Chandra Ablaze for red, Tezzeret for blue, Sorin for black and Nissa for green. This would force Nissa's Chosen into the core set as well, but so be it. Unless they go with the same five from Lorwyn, this is what I would do.
why dose it have to be a reprint? this isn't 10th, they can make new cards.
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More seriously though, These X's Y cards are pretty annoying. I like Jace's Ingenuity and Garruk's Champion, but flavour-wise, wizards can do better than that. Have Jace on the picture, sure, but call it Thoughtful Ingenuity or something a little better than like 'this-dude's-kick-ass-spell.' I always had this problem with D&D's "This-dude-who-isn't-you-and-we're-not-sure-how-you-figured-it-out-on-you-own-because-you're-a-sorcerer's Acid Arrow." It seems like a horrible thing to port over from D&D. If they were doing that, then where are my beholders? Hmmm?! WHERE WIZARDS!?
I didn't care so much about Melf's Acid arrow, I believe it was a conjuration spell so you could probably fit some flavor in there. I always wanted to find Isaac for his missile storm, though.
Planeswalkers are very much dictated by the storyline, so they originate in story driven blocks. A core set is specifically without a storyline, so introducing brand new planeswalkers in a story-less core set would be silly. I really wouldn't do that.
The signature spells are there to give the planeswalkers present more flavor, so they can be new, yeah. But not the planeswalkers themselves.
Cards in core sets can introduce new storyline. Armored Cancrix, for example, gives previously unknown information about the state of Dominaria after the end of Future Sight.
And printing a new version of a planeswalker in the Core Set doesn't have to have anything to do with a storyline. The original planeswalkers, printed in Lorwyn, have no storyline presence for those cards. For the current set of five "core walkers," there is no point in the storyline they are meant to represent, they are just generic versions of those characters. A new cycle would be the same, a cycle of walkers that provide glimpses of some other moment in time for each character, but not in a particular setting or story.
I loved the cycle of cards for the walkers. I didn't find use for them all, but they are uniquely 'them'.
Another cycle would meet with my approval. However, are we certain this is a new Chandra-cycle card? I can't get out of my head that it may be promo art for Spitfire, though the birds are dissimilar.
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Cards in core sets can introduce new storyline. Armored Cancrix, for example, gives previously unknown information about the state of Dominaria after the end of Future Sight.
Yes but random flavor text on a common does not equal flavor on a Mythic Rare Planeswalker who will be a central character in a future block.
Is it really that big of a surprise that things are still messed up on Dominaria considering an event that changed the very nature of the Muti-Verse started there.
We also have flavor text from Baron Sengir and Jazel Goldmane. Flavor text has no bearing on how the game is played and thus can be ignored. Planeswalkers are the Poster Children of Magic and have a very big effect on the game.
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And printing a new version of a planeswalker in the Core Set doesn't have to have anything to do with a storyline. The original planeswalkers, printed in Lorwyn, have no storyline presence for those cards. For the current set of five "core walkers," there is no point in the storyline they are meant to represent, they are just generic versions of those characters. A new cycle would be the same, a cycle of walkers that provide glimpses of some other moment in time for each character, but not in a particular setting or story.
Well as has been said many times the "Lorwyn 5" were originally planned for Future Site so of course they aren't going to be in the Lorwyn story. Ajani - Granted we don't know yet but it is after Alara. Jace - I would say this is close to what got recruited by Tezzeret at the beginning of AoA Liliana - Looks a lot like what we saw at the beginning of Hunter and the Veil and some time after The Raven's Eye. Chandra - During "Fuel for the Fire" Pre Zen before she learned the "sheer fire". Garruk - again what we would see before the events of Hunter and the Veil.
So we don't know precisely but we can narrow it down quite a bit.
You want Wizards to give us 5 more planeswalkers from some time in Magics future when we still have HUGE question marks for these five?
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Are we certain that it's for M12? I mean just because somone stated it was it really doesn't have to be. I also think it highly unlikely that they'd create a new card so very similar to Chandra's Phoenix. What I think it might be is infact a Spitfire. Either new artwork for M12 or possibly an FNM card? (They were always uncommons AFAIK).
When I saw the planeswalkers' spells spoiled, my thought was "How cool is this?!". Cards that interact and have synergy with the PWs' own abilities and showcase why the PWs have certain abilities. I really think it is a great idea. It seems intuitive to have a Common that works off the PW's first ability, an Uncommon that synergizes with the second ability, and a rare that does so with the Ultimate. What is wrong with this creative flavor?
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I'll put this bluntly. If a really cool, unique guy went up to a normal girl, and is ugly, he's weird. if he goes up and is hot, then he's cool and unique.
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And printing a new version of a planeswalker in the Core Set doesn't have to have anything to do with a storyline. The original planeswalkers, printed in Lorwyn, have no storyline presence for those cards. For the current set of five "core walkers," there is no point in the storyline they are meant to represent, they are just generic versions of those characters. A new cycle would be the same, a cycle of walkers that provide glimpses of some other moment in time for each character, but not in a particular setting or story.
Well, that's not entirely true. Chandra, Liliana, Jace, and Garruk all have impact on the story. Chandra, Jace, and Liliana all in their previous book incarnations, while Garruk is quite clearly not corrupted in the card, and therefore must be from prior to meeting Liliana. Liliana has since aquired the Veil and nerfed Kothoped, so we can take her card as being still indebted to all four demons. Jace and Chandra represent who they were at the start of their books.
And Nissa will NEVER be put in the core set. WAY too elf-centric.
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Cards exist within a context. Garruk's companion is a bad card. Watchwolf didn't trade with bears and went through the standard burn spell from it's time (Shock). Also it didn't have to deal with colorshifted Wall of Blossoms. Player's haven't been spoiled by the power creep, players adapt to the new card pool.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, i'm fine with signature spells, but i wouldn't say they are constructed playable (beyond what i think about redundancy in m10/m11 overlap) . Hopefully this new paintings suggest rare cards that may actually see a lot of play.
This was the quote from the #magicprotour tweet - GP Gothenburg: the first EVER look at a Magic 2012 card as Aleksi Briclot painted it live - Chandra's Phoenix!!!
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Maybe. The set isn't finalised, so it's possible that the Creative team have no yet worked their magic (pun intended).
However, given the New rise of signature spells in 2011, it's just as likely that "Chandra's Phoenix" is the actual cardname.
My $0.02 anyways.
Note: If everyone here complained about the Planeswalkers Signature names, using the proper lines of communication (as featured in feedback week!) I wonder if they'd ACTUALLY change the names? It'd be a cool experiment... Get each person who gave negative feedback to sign a petition or something ^^
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really? so...Chandra looks like Chandra? you win
on a side note - stop whining about the "lazy naming." what else would you name a Planeswalker's signature spell? It isn's lazy at all. R&D came up with the idea that the 5 represented planeswalkers in M11 should have signature spells that help newer players better understand the flavor and depth of them.
I swear if Wizards put gold coins in the packs, people would complain that it isn't a gold trapezoid because they like trapezoids more than circles
Lastly, wow is this really what mtgs forums look like? complaining, whining, and criticizing the ones who make the cards (which is a pretty hard job)?
Jace's Ingenuity is certainly playable.
Seriously, the signature spells were cool, and it's nice the Lorwyn walkers have come down in price from so many printings, but we're bordering on making the game about them, and not the player being the walker.
Oh my gosh, same thought here!
Although, this could just be a promo/FNM art for spitfire and the artist messed up the name, maybe? Still a cool art though.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who actually likes the Planeswalker spells. From a creative and branding standpoint, they are very smart. And some of them are even good!
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Well with newest jace it be more apropiate to be named "jace's wallet parasite" so we can all apreciate mythics for what they really are and it could have a comulative upkeep of "burn a dollar every turn or this deals 10 dmg to you", but that will make it broken with bazzar trader / end rant / end sarcasm.
i dont mind PW named cards just be more subtle like with the enchantment cycle back in urzas day (plane's walker ire, myrth, scorn, etc)
It's okay for Baneslayer Angel and Chandra to be in a corset, but I'm not sure anyone wants to see Garruk in one.
More seriously though, These X's Y cards are pretty annoying. I like Jace's Ingenuity and Garruk's Champion, but flavour-wise, wizards can do better than that. Have Jace on the picture, sure, but call it Thoughtful Ingenuity or something a little better than like 'this-dude's-kick-ass-spell.' I always had this problem with D&D's "This-dude-who-isn't-you-and-we're-not-sure-how-you-figured-it-out-on-you-own-because-you're-a-sorcerer's Acid Arrow." It seems like a horrible thing to port over from D&D. If they were doing that, then where are my beholders? Hmmm?! WHERE WIZARDS!?
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And yes, this is what the majority of people on this forum are like. The same is true for any other forum or place of public discussion anywhere. But there are other places on the site that aren't bad at all, depending on your interests, so don't feel the need to leave or anything.
The reason for why "signature spells" were created has been given by Wizards, and stated in this thread at least once already, so I'm not even going to bother engaging in an argument about it, because the people who don't understand why aren't going to start doing so just because I reiterate the point again. But I will go ahead and say that even blunt, "lazy" names like this have their place. They're simple, to the point, and tell you what they are. And in this case, the fact that it's connected to Chandra carries with it a bunch of other flavor connections. If every single card had a name like "Incandescent Emberfowl" people would get plenty sick of it really quick.
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I'm kind of in the middle ground. I like the Chandra's part. I like that we know this is HER spell and we've learned it. I just don't like the phoenix because they could do more with that part of the name. They didn't call Garruk's Companion "Garruk's Beast" (Though they may have in playtesting). I'm just hoping it's the same thing. We'll know it's a phoenix by it's typeline, so what's Chandra's name for it? Garruk calls his beasts companions and packleaders, Ajani has his pridemates. Chandra even has a spitfire. Please don't let it be like Liliana's Specter.
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why dose it have to be a reprint? this isn't 10th, they can make new cards.
I didn't care so much about Melf's Acid arrow, I believe it was a conjuration spell so you could probably fit some flavor in there. I always wanted to find Isaac for his missile storm, though.
Cards in core sets can introduce new storyline. Armored Cancrix, for example, gives previously unknown information about the state of Dominaria after the end of Future Sight.
And printing a new version of a planeswalker in the Core Set doesn't have to have anything to do with a storyline. The original planeswalkers, printed in Lorwyn, have no storyline presence for those cards. For the current set of five "core walkers," there is no point in the storyline they are meant to represent, they are just generic versions of those characters. A new cycle would be the same, a cycle of walkers that provide glimpses of some other moment in time for each character, but not in a particular setting or story.
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Also, holler back if you know what this art is for!
Another cycle would meet with my approval. However, are we certain this is a new Chandra-cycle card? I can't get out of my head that it may be promo art for Spitfire, though the birds are dissimilar.
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Yes but random flavor text on a common does not equal flavor on a Mythic Rare Planeswalker who will be a central character in a future block.
Is it really that big of a surprise that things are still messed up on Dominaria considering an event that changed the very nature of the Muti-Verse started there.
We also have flavor text from Baron Sengir and Jazel Goldmane. Flavor text has no bearing on how the game is played and thus can be ignored. Planeswalkers are the Poster Children of Magic and have a very big effect on the game.
Well as has been said many times the "Lorwyn 5" were originally planned for Future Site so of course they aren't going to be in the Lorwyn story.
Ajani - Granted we don't know yet but it is after Alara.
Jace - I would say this is close to what got recruited by Tezzeret at the beginning of AoA
Liliana - Looks a lot like what we saw at the beginning of Hunter and the Veil and some time after The Raven's Eye.
Chandra - During "Fuel for the Fire" Pre Zen before she learned the "sheer fire".
Garruk - again what we would see before the events of Hunter and the Veil.
So we don't know precisely but we can narrow it down quite a bit.
You want Wizards to give us 5 more planeswalkers from some time in Magics future when we still have HUGE question marks for these five?
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Well, that's not entirely true. Chandra, Liliana, Jace, and Garruk all have impact on the story. Chandra, Jace, and Liliana all in their previous book incarnations, while Garruk is quite clearly not corrupted in the card, and therefore must be from prior to meeting Liliana. Liliana has since aquired the Veil and nerfed Kothoped, so we can take her card as being still indebted to all four demons. Jace and Chandra represent who they were at the start of their books.
And Nissa will NEVER be put in the core set. WAY too elf-centric.