New Phyrexia is established on Mirrodin.
With the book not resolving the conflict, and no others slated to come out soon, we can be certain of that for now.
Evil stuff to do with Phyrexia:
Bolas is trying to manipulate Phyrexia through Tezzeret.
"I tolerate Phyrexians because the dragon requires it. But I have no patience for uninvited guests." -Tezzeret from Psychic Barrier
(maybe) We have the elders of Mirrodin, infected with mycosynth, were all sent home to their native planes back in Fifth Dawn.
Potentially having spread phyrexia across many planes already.
The building forces against Phyrexia:
We have a core resistance of Mirrans living in the furnace layer of New Phyrexia.
Red Phyrexians have empathy for the Native Mirrans and is helping harbor the survivors in their layer.
We have Melira giving people resistance to the Phyrexian infection. http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/141 The fifth Planeswalker's Guide to New Phyrexia describes the three points above.
Karn, Elspeth and Koth are all determined to fight Phyrexia.
The elders of Mirrodin are still out there, and while they may inadvertently have spread the mycosynth when sent home, they could also be allies that could be gathered to fight.
What does this mean for Magic?
We could see Phyrexians reappearing as soon as next year's new block.
Phyrexian mechanics could make their way into being evergreen, due to the spread of phyrexia.
Any other observations or modifications I should add?
We have the elders of Mirrodin, infected with mycosynth, were all sent home to their native planes back in Fifth Dawn.
It's been a while since I read Fifth Dawn, but if I recall correctly, the people brought to Mirrodin by Memnarch's soul traps were returned home as if they had never been to Mirrodin; no memories and no metal enhancements. No metal enhancements means no mycosynth.
There are other Phyrexian factions out there, because of Karn's traipsing about the multiverse dripping oil everywhere he went, but that continuation of the Great Work was completely independent of the Vanishing.
We also have Elspeth's home plane, we don't know where that was but the Phyrexians were there.
I'm sure the Phyrexians will come back at some point, why bring them back at all if you aren't going to use them? When is the big question. Innistrad will likely be a throw away villain or another addition to the Rouge Gallery. After that we could see more of the Phyrexians but they likely will be back with other mechanics that will serve them best to defeat whatever native people they run into on each of the other planes. We may not see them in bulk for another 3-5 years but only as a few cards splashed into sets to help show that they are on several planes. We have no real info to go on at this point only logic and that will only get us so far.
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New Phyrexia is established on Mirrodin.
With the book not resolving the conflict, and no others slated to come out soon, we can be certain of that for now.
Evil stuff to do with Phyrexia:
Bolas is trying to manipulate Phyrexia through Tezzeret.
"I tolerate Phyrexians because the dragon requires it. But I have no patience for uninvited guests." -Tezzeret from Psychic Barrier
(maybe) We have the elders of Mirrodin, infected with mycosynth, were all sent home to their native planes back in Fifth Dawn.
Potentially having spread phyrexia across many planes already.
The building forces against Phyrexia:
We have a core resistance of Mirrans living in the furnace layer of New Phyrexia.
Red Phyrexians have empathy for the Native Mirrans and is helping harbor the survivors in their layer.
We have Melira giving people resistance to the Phyrexian infection. http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/141 The fifth Planeswalker's Guide to New Phyrexia describes the three points above.
Karn, Elspeth and Koth are all determined to fight Phyrexia.
The elders of Mirrodin are still out there, and while they may inadvertently have spread the mycosynth when sent home, they could also be allies that could be gathered to fight.
What does this mean for Magic?
We could see Phyrexians reappearing as soon as next year's new block.
Phyrexian mechanics could make their way into being evergreen, due to the spread of phyrexia.
Any other observations or modifications I should add?
and what of venser? he was taught by karn
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He's dead after transferring his heart into Karn giving him a spark.
Yes I know that's not how sparks work, tell the author of the book novel.
Or
I can just say there is a very good reason why he isn't on the list.
To bad this doesn't take him out of the TCG. stop bouncing your Aether adepts, glimerpost stags and sun blast angles Because you're removing my -1/-1 counters ;_;
In the past, several sets had Phyrexian cards. Maybe the next new set will have a little bit of cards related to phyrexia, just as Nicol Bolas did. He was the mastermind behind the Conflux of Alara, and he sent Sarkan to Zendikar to protect the Eye of Ugin. And he send Tezz to Mirrodin. So maybe Phyrexians will become just another evil force that plots to dominate the Multiverse...
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Phyrexia allways was a "Evil force that plots to dominate the Multiverse"
Its just stopped so far as Phyrexia has no Planeswalker and itself is unable to planeswalk.
If they "could" keep Karn on Phyrexia it would make them "Insane" powerfull ; but right now; they are more or less doomed to sit on Mirrodin and wait for some random Planeswalker to pass by draw that one to their side.
And ofcourse theirs allways the "possibility" that a certain Yawgmoth returns from its grave and starts a multiverse party.
They have Tezzeret. Tezzeret could be in unique position to unleash phyrexia upon enemies. It's their reserve army.
I wonder if we'll see Infect or phyrexian mana go evergreen (meaning core set words)? I don't see proliferate... proliferating, because it's too counter dependent, but Infect and Phyrexian mana have some core value beyond this set. People kind of like poison and the ability to trade life for mana and to make colored artifacts pushes design possibilities.
To bad this doesn't take him out of the TCG. stop bouncing your Aether adepts, glimerpost stags and sun blast angles Because you're removing my -1/-1 counters ;_;
But it does take him out of the storyline. Major characters who are gone stay gone.
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Given the age of the designers, I'd expect some sort of "Return of the Jedi"-like set in the future.
Arm with Æther has art that feels great for a rebel alliance. >_>
I must say, though, that Melira making people immune to phyresis feels like a bit of a cop out. (The third block wouldn't have Infect, though, for this reason and would likely lack proliferate as well.)
I'd wager that we haven't seen the end of Mirrodin/Phyrexia I hope they take a big gap between now and the next Phyrxia set though.
Also if they already designed a full Mirrodin set I don't see why they would just say oh well and bin it.
If I may refer you and all other Mirrodin Pure hopefuls to this mothership article... (and I'm even a Mirran supporter)
"Yes, originally Scars of Mirrodin was supposed to be New Phyrexia."
"...Brady Dommermuth [...] had planned when he designed the world of Mirrodin the elements that would ultimately turn it into New Phyrexia."
"The idea was that when we returned to Mirrodin many years later it would now be New Phyrexia as the Phyrexian infection just hinted at in the original Mirrodin block would have had the time to do its thing."
Much as I hate it, Mirrodin was always destined to be New Phyrexia. I think it was an eventual R&D decision that they actually tell the story of the war instead of just jumping in with, "Welcome to New Phyrexia, a world you may have previously known as Mirrodin." I think they made the right move there; while it does lose some of the shock value, it provided them with an interesting marketing ploy and allowed us to watch the plane get corrupted instead of having older players say, "When the hell'd that happen?!?!". Explanations are always good.
That's a valid point, but I expect that a lot of the stuff that was originally planned for NPH went into Scars.
Which also means that it is possible that WoTC has plenty of ideas about other stuff with Phyrexians themes & cards. Another return to Mirrodin could be possible to see how things play out with the Phyrexians after they've taken over. Do they get unified? Do they start trying to connect with other Phyrexians across the multiverse? Do they start trying to carry on Yawgmoth's work rather than stagnate in their petty squabbling. Do they try to find some essence of Yawgmoth to resurrect him? [I had to add that list bit... just because it annoys people.]
Which also means that it is possible that WoTC has plenty of ideas about other stuff with Phyrexians themes & cards. Another return to Mirrodin could be possible to see how things play out with the Phyrexians after they've taken over. Do they get unified? Do they start trying to connect with other Phyrexians across the multiverse? Do they start trying to carry on Yawgmoth's work rather than stagnate in their petty squabbling. Do they try to find some essence of Yawgmoth to resurrect him? [I had to add that list bit... just because it annoys people.]
I'm a canon newb, so I only have a very basic understanding of who this Yawgmoth was, but from how the Guide to New Phyrexia sounded, not all the factions of New Phyrexia liked the way Yawgmoth ran things. Hell, I'm not entirely certain of this either, but the New Phyrexians might not even know who Yawgmoth was, since they don't have any Phyrexian historians. Then again, I think I've seen some of the cards or flavor mention Yawgmoth directly, so if anyone has a better idea of what's going on, please correct me.
I could kind of see the phyrexians playing non-overarching roles on other planes. For example every plane has one or more races for each of the colors. So the phyrexians could just be like the kor were on zendikar, or the merrow on lorwyn. Confined to one or two colors and doing their phyrexian thing but having trouble getting the kind of traction they need to dominate the plane and just being as significant storyline-wise as any other race.
I'm a canon newb, so I only have a very basic understanding of who this Yawgmoth was, but from how the Guide to New Phyrexia sounded, not all the factions of New Phyrexia liked the way Yawgmoth ran things. Hell, I'm not entirely certain of this either, but the New Phyrexians might not even know who Yawgmoth was, since they don't have any Phyrexian historians. Then again, I think I've seen some of the cards or flavor mention Yawgmoth directly, so if anyone has a better idea of what's going on, please correct me.
Yawgmoth was one of the most important characters of Magic's history. If Magic had had planeswalker cards from the getgo, he probably would have been the first one with Urza and Mishra. I'm not entirely familiar with all of the storyline stuff, but I think that he had to do with Karn back in the day.
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Sorry Zajnet, but that was Yawgmoth's biggest problem, he did not have a spark and could not planeswalk. That's why he was confined to Old Phyrexia for so many millenia. He eventually developed interplanar portals to invade Dominaria but that's it.
Sorry Zajnet, but that was Yawgmoth's biggest problem, he did not have a spark and could not planeswalk. That's why he was confined to Old Phyrexia for so many millenia. He eventually developed interplanar portals to invade Dominaria but that's it.
You're completely right. Urza and Mishra were the planeswalkers, he was just a badass.
But yeah multiple broken-to-the-point-of-being-banned-in-legacy-and-restricted-in-vintage cards bear his name.
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In a recent poll wasn't it suggested that Jace, Gideon, Koth, Elspeth, and Tezzeret were all in the top five of the most popular bradywalkers?
If so I think that practically guarantees that the phyrexian storyline will be resolved sooner rather than later. They aren't keeping 3/5ths of their most popular cashgrabs tied up on a story that's on the backburner and none of them are just going to be like "OH HEY IMA GO ROMPING AROUND THE MULTIVERSE INSTEAD OF FIXING THIS THING!"
You're completely right. Urza and Mishra were the planeswalkers, he was just a badass.
Mishra wasn't a planeswalker.
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I'm a canon newb, so I only have a very basic understanding of who this Yawgmoth was, but from how the Guide to New Phyrexia sounded, not all the factions of New Phyrexia liked the way Yawgmoth ran things. Hell, I'm not entirely certain of this either, but the New Phyrexians might not even know who Yawgmoth was, since they don't have any Phyrexian historians. Then again, I think I've seen some of the cards or flavor mention Yawgmoth directly, so if anyone has a better idea of what's going on, please correct me.
You just really need one guy. The resurrection of Yawgmoth (not the WoTC will do it or whatever) would quickly bring everyone in line. You don't mess with Yawgmoth. the Praetors are basically some of the higher level Phyrexians in terms of ranking. I would put them roughly on the same level as Gix, Croag, and the Evincars. So, what each faction thinks would become irrelevant.
With the book not resolving the conflict, and no others slated to come out soon, we can be certain of that for now.
Evil stuff to do with Phyrexia:
Bolas is trying to manipulate Phyrexia through Tezzeret.
"I tolerate Phyrexians because the dragon requires it. But I have no patience for uninvited guests." -Tezzeret from Psychic Barrier
(maybe) We have the elders of Mirrodin, infected with mycosynth, were all sent home to their native planes back in Fifth Dawn.
Potentially having spread phyrexia across many planes already.
The building forces against Phyrexia:
We have a core resistance of Mirrans living in the furnace layer of New Phyrexia.
Red Phyrexians have empathy for the Native Mirrans and is helping harbor the survivors in their layer.
We have Melira giving people resistance to the Phyrexian infection.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/141 The fifth Planeswalker's Guide to New Phyrexia describes the three points above.
Karn, Elspeth and Koth are all determined to fight Phyrexia.
The elders of Mirrodin are still out there, and while they may inadvertently have spread the mycosynth when sent home, they could also be allies that could be gathered to fight.
What does this mean for Magic?
We could see Phyrexians reappearing as soon as next year's new block.
Phyrexian mechanics could make their way into being evergreen, due to the spread of phyrexia.
Any other observations or modifications I should add?
It's been a while since I read Fifth Dawn, but if I recall correctly, the people brought to Mirrodin by Memnarch's soul traps were returned home as if they had never been to Mirrodin; no memories and no metal enhancements. No metal enhancements means no mycosynth.
There are other Phyrexian factions out there, because of Karn's traipsing about the multiverse dripping oil everywhere he went, but that continuation of the Great Work was completely independent of the Vanishing.
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I'm sure the Phyrexians will come back at some point, why bring them back at all if you aren't going to use them? When is the big question. Innistrad will likely be a throw away villain or another addition to the Rouge Gallery. After that we could see more of the Phyrexians but they likely will be back with other mechanics that will serve them best to defeat whatever native people they run into on each of the other planes. We may not see them in bulk for another 3-5 years but only as a few cards splashed into sets to help show that they are on several planes. We have no real info to go on at this point only logic and that will only get us so far.
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and what of venser? he was taught by karn
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Yeah, about Venser...
Story Line Spoiler ahead....
He's dead after transferring his heart into Karn giving him a spark.
Yes I know that's not how sparks work, tell the author of the book novel.
I can just say there is a very good reason why he isn't on the list.
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To bad this doesn't take him out of the TCG. stop bouncing your Aether adepts, glimerpost stags and sun blast angles Because you're removing my -1/-1 counters ;_;
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Its just stopped so far as Phyrexia has no Planeswalker and itself is unable to planeswalk.
If they "could" keep Karn on Phyrexia it would make them "Insane" powerfull ; but right now; they are more or less doomed to sit on Mirrodin and wait for some random Planeswalker to pass by draw that one to their side.
And ofcourse theirs allways the "possibility" that a certain Yawgmoth returns from its grave and starts a multiverse party.
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I wonder if we'll see Infect or phyrexian mana go evergreen (meaning core set words)? I don't see proliferate... proliferating, because it's too counter dependent, but Infect and Phyrexian mana have some core value beyond this set. People kind of like poison and the ability to trade life for mana and to make colored artifacts pushes design possibilities.
But it does take him out of the storyline. Major characters who are gone stay gone.
There's no proof she's being chased
by ninja squirrels either. - Dr. Wilson
Just like major characters who lost their spark stay without their spark. Oh wait...
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Arm with Æther has art that feels great for a rebel alliance. >_>
I must say, though, that Melira making people immune to phyresis feels like a bit of a cop out. (The third block wouldn't have Infect, though, for this reason and would likely lack proliferate as well.)
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If I may refer you and all other Mirrodin Pure hopefuls to this mothership article... (and I'm even a Mirran supporter)
"Yes, originally Scars of Mirrodin was supposed to be New Phyrexia."
"...Brady Dommermuth [...] had planned when he designed the world of Mirrodin the elements that would ultimately turn it into New Phyrexia."
"The idea was that when we returned to Mirrodin many years later it would now be New Phyrexia as the Phyrexian infection just hinted at in the original Mirrodin block would have had the time to do its thing."
Much as I hate it, Mirrodin was always destined to be New Phyrexia. I think it was an eventual R&D decision that they actually tell the story of the war instead of just jumping in with, "Welcome to New Phyrexia, a world you may have previously known as Mirrodin." I think they made the right move there; while it does lose some of the shock value, it provided them with an interesting marketing ploy and allowed us to watch the plane get corrupted instead of having older players say, "When the hell'd that happen?!?!". Explanations are always good.
Just to be anal, it probably spent more time planned as a first set than a third.
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Which also means that it is possible that WoTC has plenty of ideas about other stuff with Phyrexians themes & cards. Another return to Mirrodin could be possible to see how things play out with the Phyrexians after they've taken over. Do they get unified? Do they start trying to connect with other Phyrexians across the multiverse? Do they start trying to carry on Yawgmoth's work rather than stagnate in their petty squabbling. Do they try to find some essence of Yawgmoth to resurrect him? [I had to add that list bit... just because it annoys people.]
I'm a canon newb, so I only have a very basic understanding of who this Yawgmoth was, but from how the Guide to New Phyrexia sounded, not all the factions of New Phyrexia liked the way Yawgmoth ran things. Hell, I'm not entirely certain of this either, but the New Phyrexians might not even know who Yawgmoth was, since they don't have any Phyrexian historians. Then again, I think I've seen some of the cards or flavor mention Yawgmoth directly, so if anyone has a better idea of what's going on, please correct me.
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Yawgmoth was one of the most important characters of Magic's history. If Magic had had planeswalker cards from the getgo, he probably would have been the first one with Urza and Mishra. I'm not entirely familiar with all of the storyline stuff, but I think that he had to do with Karn back in the day.
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You're completely right. Urza and Mishra were the planeswalkers, he was just a badass.
But yeah multiple broken-to-the-point-of-being-banned-in-legacy-and-restricted-in-vintage cards bear his name.
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If so I think that practically guarantees that the phyrexian storyline will be resolved sooner rather than later. They aren't keeping 3/5ths of their most popular cashgrabs tied up on a story that's on the backburner and none of them are just going to be like "OH HEY IMA GO ROMPING AROUND THE MULTIVERSE INSTEAD OF FIXING THIS THING!"
Mishra wasn't a planeswalker.
Wow, I'm all over the place. You are completely right, Mishra, while being Urza's brother, and a fellow artificer, was indeed not a planeswalker.
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You just really need one guy. The resurrection of Yawgmoth (not the WoTC will do it or whatever) would quickly bring everyone in line. You don't mess with Yawgmoth. the Praetors are basically some of the higher level Phyrexians in terms of ranking. I would put them roughly on the same level as Gix, Croag, and the Evincars. So, what each faction thinks would become irrelevant.
Anyways that's probably being discussed over in the Storyline forum.