If it happens i will be quite upset. All the other formats are hard enough to build for a cardshopless person, if it becomes sanctioned ill lose the one game type that i can win without having to saw off an arm for staples.
If anything the Gencon EDH Mafia debacle was just proof positive that if you put points\prize on the line you can't trust a playerbase that is more than 5 people that everything is on the up and up.
I like EDH where it stands now. it's a great format to play in your local store, and even the 4-man queues at GP's and SCG Opens are decent, as long as they keep entry down and don't inflate the prize support($5, last one standing gets a $20 vender voucher, no prize splits). There are two guys in my playgroup that will actually goto these large events and do nothing but play 4-man EDH games. they pay their 5$ each thinking that they'll turn it into a 2v1v1 game, however they're retarded about it and after the obvious attack preferneces, and 5-0 FOF splits the rest of the table hopefully smartens up. I actually did a day at GP nashville with a friend of mine, however we wern't dumb about it, we took down 6 out of 7 pods, that one failure was because we played against guys doing the same thing, except they built their decks to work together. Dick move on our part, you bet your sweet cuppin cakes it was, Do I feel bad, You bet your sweet cuppin cakes I don't, these 4-mans are a crapshoot as evidenced by the one team we faced, of the 6 we won I would have to say 2 tables caught onto us (albeit a little too late), the other 4, well if you're not savvy enough when you slap down any sort of money then it's your own lookout.
When Sheldon\Wizards made the Commander announcement they made a very clear point that Wizards\DCI has no plans on sanctioning events, nor do they plan on wrestling control of the rules committee away from the community. Wizard has 0 reason to sanction this format. they already have 3 sanction formats that are dead\dying why take on another non-standard constructed format that they don't need. However it makes every sense in the world to SUPPORT this format. you'll likely see Commander centric products every summer (lord knows planechase and archenemy didn't 100% out the way they liked) also you're going to see alot more Commander flavored cards printed in the main sets. In all actuality they've already begun this. Rise of Eldrazi was basically Battlecruiser Magic set with a few standard staples threw in to please the tournament set. the set sold moderatly well, and it was very likely due to the EDH crowd. I predict Commander precons are gonna sell through the roof. and you're talking about a product that is 80% cheap reprints. they don't have to commision new art for, they're not running foils, the profit potential is extremely high, and if this product goes the way of Archenemy then they live and learn and try to devise a new multiplay product for next summer.
you'll likely see Commander centric products every summer (lord knows planechase and archenemy didn't 100% out the way they liked) also you're going to see alot more Commander flavored cards printed in the main sets. In all actuality they've already begun this. Rise of Eldrazi was basically Battlecruiser Magic set with a few standard staples threw in to please the tournament set. the set sold moderatly well, and it was very likely due to the EDH crowd. I predict Commander precons are gonna sell through the roof. and you're talking about a product that is 80% cheap reprints. they don't have to commision new art for, they're not running foils, the profit potential is extremely high, and if this product goes the way of Archenemy then they live and learn and try to devise a new multiplay product for next summer.
I agree with you, the main reason they took over was for profit, and of course we get the good end of the stick. I hope they look at lists and see, oh X card is in almost every other edh deck, we should put that in there. Hopefully We wont see a lot of mythic blacklisting. If it has black it should be playing Sorin if it can. EDH precons would also be the place where they could do wacky walkers that would only affect legacy, which wouldnt be that big a deal. Im hoping they can go crazy with this and Continue it, after this next 5 deck cycle id love to seee quaterly EDH pre-cons. EDH is by far the most fun format, and almost everyone I know plays X format and edh at least. If they sanction it go ahead and do it, just know that no matter wehat a Netdecker tries to do he will most likley get crushed anyway.
Just imagine what could happen if FNM's could be EDH? That would be AMAZING. Seriously, after you take away all the cut-throat shenanigans that is the current standard FNMs what is left? Mostly people who show up to have a good time. What is EDH? Most players agree that it is a good time. Peas and carrots? Maybe.
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Just imagine what could happen if FNM's could be EDH? That would be AMAZING. Seriously, after you take away all the cut-throat shenanigans that is the current standard FNMs what is left? Mostly people who show up to have a good time. What is EDH? Most players agree that it is a good time. Peas and carrots? Maybe.
Cut-throat duel 1v1 EDH decks are beyond unfun in ways that make other formats pale in comparison.
If we had sanctioned and FNM EDH, EDH spikes would flood the event. There are plenty of people I know who would take advantage of that intended chillaxed environment and destroy it with Azami, Lady of Scrolls, Scion of the Ur-Dragon and all kinds of other shenanigans. That said, hopefully, since the store I play at is little known in comparison to other stores in the area, hopefully the spikes would stay out. I'd like to have a casual sanctioned format. Wait, those two don't go very well together. Oh well. Looks like I'll have to just keep on playing with my local and college play circles. They're fun to play with.
Just imagine what could happen if FNM's could be EDH? That would be AMAZING. Seriously, after you take away all the cut-throat shenanigans that is the current standard FNMs what is left? Mostly people who show up to have a good time. What is EDH? Most players agree that it is a good time. Peas and carrots? Maybe.
Do you know why "current standard FNMs" have "cut-throat shenanigans"? It's because prizes are on the line and many people will do all they can to win when they pay to enter an event. Do the same for EDH and the "good times" you're talking about will end, whether it's 1v1 or multiplayer.
I'm surprised to see viperesque coming out with this news from a "reliable source". If this actually happened I would be shocked.
FNM Edh Would be balling. Yea in a multiplayer format would be the best, but even if the Spikes come out, they will just get smashed by group politics.
I don't play Commander but I would say that politics play an important role there. It would give competitive magic a new dimension as you can choose to play cards that benefit multiple players, this can stimulate alliances between players, or cheap tactics where each player relentlessly attacks the strongest guy.
It would complicate things a lot but I guess there's only one rule that has to be made when it comes to negotiating; there are no rules. Do whatever it takes to get an advantage, I could see myself enjoying this format very much. The fact that it's currently still non-competitive makes me not want to play it, although I like watching some games =)
A lot of ''Art of War'' type strategies will come into play. Show strength when you're weak, show weakness when you're strong. *** the board when some poor sap is almost dying, give him a friendly tap on the shoulders and give him the thumbs up (like, you can count on me pal!). It might give you a get out of jail free card later on in the game..
FNM Edh Would be balling. Yea in a multiplayer format would be the best, but even if the Spikes come out, they will just get smashed by group politics.
I think what you (and the guy above me) are missing is that Spikes play EDH differently than they play standard. It's not just that they show up with a deck designed to win turn 4, it's that they bring their friend who has a similar deck, then split the prizes every week. It completely ruins all the politicking that you guys seem to enjoy.
I want this. I want this so bad. And I hope they make a 1v1 format, not only because that's what I primarily play, but because I want to relish in the tears of Sheldon Menery and all the casual players that see him as their god.
I think what you (and the guy above me) are missing is that Spikes play EDH differently than they play standard. It's not just that they show up with a deck designed to win turn 4, it's that they bring their friend who has a similar deck, then split the prizes every week. It completely ruins all the politicking that you guys seem to enjoy.
True... that and a turn 4 EDH kill is something that you really can't "gang up" against. Those decks go off, and almost nothing can stop them. Unless you draw a fantastic answer card right off the bat... you will see Top Storm Combos galore. First one to "go off" wins.
True... that and a turn 4 EDH kill is something that you really can't "gang up" against. Those decks go off, and almost nothing can stop them. Unless you draw a fantastic answer card right off the bat... you will see Top Storm Combos galore. First one to "go off" wins.
Yea, but most of the time around my area, even if 2 spikes team up, we know they will, and they usually just get crushed anyway.
The first thing that comes to mind is if you enter a tournament, with enough players entering, you and your friend will sit at the same table maybe one time. If I would be an EDH master I would pick two schemers out of the table quickly enough and would hold a convincing monologue why we all should destroy these guys first, before proceeding to wage war against each other.
It would become an archetype rather than a nasty habit; playing ''combo'' with your friend, hopefully to get lucky with the pairings. I wouldn't count on it in a competitive setting as you are the first ones to get creamed for sure.
The thing that really interests me is that instead of trying to reach the top 8, you try to make it to the final table! I'm not an avid poker player or anything but it sounds really cool to be playing at... a final table..
I have been thinking about wizards supporting a "casual" format for store to sanction.
My idea was, essentially, you could sanction a "casual" event, naming the players in it, and, if you want, describe the format (Commander, Casual FFA, Cube, Planechase, etc). This would not be for points or DCI rating, all it would do is allow wizards to better understand the players ate your store and what formats are popular.
This would have mattered more when WPN was around. It would allow the more casual players to still "play" for WPN awards, maybe limit it to counting one "casual" event per day to avoid abuse. Nonetheless, it wold have given casual players an excuse to get out of the den and go to your LGS, since it would go towards WPN and likely some free promos.
Now, it could still happen to allow WotC to better allocate casual promos as well as understand what casual formats are popular and where.
Most important in my idea is that stores don't have to change anything, don't have to add prize, and don't have to worry about someone's rating going down for playing for fun. Instead, they can report Magic activity at their store, which seems like a win-win-win for players, stores, and Wizards.
If they want to sanction EDH without an extra emphasis on winning, they should take a tip from our Humor thread and make achievements like how you win, or doing something amazing, or number of kills (kills need achievements no matter what) and assign points values to them. Like, getting full Domain in your mana pool (WUBRG and more in the pool) might consitute a gain 5 points, or having a ludicrous amount of life (say, 200 or more) could give you 20 points, a kill gains you 10 points plus 1 for each permanent they controlled when they lost or something along those lines. Make a coherent listing of achievements and hand them out to TOs. I remember my TO did this for a final table during the Planechase release and it was pretty cool. Of course, we didn't use points, we just got free packs for it but it was obviously really cool.
And then of course, the points values happen once for each player and there would be a metric ton of them, maybe a few for certain color combinations, and stuff like that. In the end, the game only ends when one player (or team) is left and the player (or team) with the most points wins, even if they did not last till the end.
It should be able to push the fun aspect and less the win or lose aspect.
My idea was, essentially, you could sanction a "casual" event, naming the players in it, and, if you want, describe the format (Commander, Casual FFA, Cube, Planechase, etc). This would not be for points or DCI rating, all it would do is allow wizards to better understand the players ate your store and what formats are popular.
This would have mattered more when WPN was around. It would allow the more casual players to still "play" for WPN awards, maybe limit it to counting one "casual" event per day to avoid abuse. Nonetheless, it wold have given casual players an excuse to get out of the den and go to your LGS, since it would go towards WPN and likely some free promos.
Did I miss something? I thought WPN was around, and this was the entire point of it.
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If anything the Gencon EDH Mafia debacle was just proof positive that if you put points\prize on the line you can't trust a playerbase that is more than 5 people that everything is on the up and up.
I like EDH where it stands now. it's a great format to play in your local store, and even the 4-man queues at GP's and SCG Opens are decent, as long as they keep entry down and don't inflate the prize support($5, last one standing gets a $20 vender voucher, no prize splits). There are two guys in my playgroup that will actually goto these large events and do nothing but play 4-man EDH games. they pay their 5$ each thinking that they'll turn it into a 2v1v1 game, however they're retarded about it and after the obvious attack preferneces, and 5-0 FOF splits the rest of the table hopefully smartens up. I actually did a day at GP nashville with a friend of mine, however we wern't dumb about it, we took down 6 out of 7 pods, that one failure was because we played against guys doing the same thing, except they built their decks to work together. Dick move on our part, you bet your sweet cuppin cakes it was, Do I feel bad, You bet your sweet cuppin cakes I don't, these 4-mans are a crapshoot as evidenced by the one team we faced, of the 6 we won I would have to say 2 tables caught onto us (albeit a little too late), the other 4, well if you're not savvy enough when you slap down any sort of money then it's your own lookout.
When Sheldon\Wizards made the Commander announcement they made a very clear point that Wizards\DCI has no plans on sanctioning events, nor do they plan on wrestling control of the rules committee away from the community. Wizard has 0 reason to sanction this format. they already have 3 sanction formats that are dead\dying why take on another non-standard constructed format that they don't need. However it makes every sense in the world to SUPPORT this format. you'll likely see Commander centric products every summer (lord knows planechase and archenemy didn't 100% out the way they liked) also you're going to see alot more Commander flavored cards printed in the main sets. In all actuality they've already begun this. Rise of Eldrazi was basically Battlecruiser Magic set with a few standard staples threw in to please the tournament set. the set sold moderatly well, and it was very likely due to the EDH crowd. I predict Commander precons are gonna sell through the roof. and you're talking about a product that is 80% cheap reprints. they don't have to commision new art for, they're not running foils, the profit potential is extremely high, and if this product goes the way of Archenemy then they live and learn and try to devise a new multiplay product for next summer.
I agree with you, the main reason they took over was for profit, and of course we get the good end of the stick. I hope they look at lists and see, oh X card is in almost every other edh deck, we should put that in there. Hopefully We wont see a lot of mythic blacklisting. If it has black it should be playing Sorin if it can. EDH precons would also be the place where they could do wacky walkers that would only affect legacy, which wouldnt be that big a deal. Im hoping they can go crazy with this and Continue it, after this next 5 deck cycle id love to seee quaterly EDH pre-cons. EDH is by far the most fun format, and almost everyone I know plays X format and edh at least. If they sanction it go ahead and do it, just know that no matter wehat a Netdecker tries to do he will most likley get crushed anyway.
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Rotation is coming...
Modern: GGGSTOMPY
ZOO (Goyf-less)
Legacy:
Brewing
EDH:
Too many to name.
Cut-throat duel 1v1 EDH decks are beyond unfun in ways that make other formats pale in comparison.
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Brewing
EDH:
Too many to name.
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Do you know why "current standard FNMs" have "cut-throat shenanigans"? It's because prizes are on the line and many people will do all they can to win when they pay to enter an event. Do the same for EDH and the "good times" you're talking about will end, whether it's 1v1 or multiplayer.
I'm surprised to see viperesque coming out with this news from a "reliable source". If this actually happened I would be shocked.
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It would complicate things a lot but I guess there's only one rule that has to be made when it comes to negotiating; there are no rules. Do whatever it takes to get an advantage, I could see myself enjoying this format very much. The fact that it's currently still non-competitive makes me not want to play it, although I like watching some games =)
A lot of ''Art of War'' type strategies will come into play. Show strength when you're weak, show weakness when you're strong. *** the board when some poor sap is almost dying, give him a friendly tap on the shoulders and give him the thumbs up (like, you can count on me pal!). It might give you a get out of jail free card later on in the game..
I think what you (and the guy above me) are missing is that Spikes play EDH differently than they play standard. It's not just that they show up with a deck designed to win turn 4, it's that they bring their friend who has a similar deck, then split the prizes every week. It completely ruins all the politicking that you guys seem to enjoy.
Also, sanctioned multiplayer results in friends dividing fact or fiction piles into a 5 card pile and a 0 card pile. None of this is good.
O, and if you want to play competitive edh 1v1, I recommend vintage with a general instead.
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haha can't agree more. I am with you on this one.
True... that and a turn 4 EDH kill is something that you really can't "gang up" against. Those decks go off, and almost nothing can stop them. Unless you draw a fantastic answer card right off the bat... you will see Top Storm Combos galore. First one to "go off" wins.
Yea, but most of the time around my area, even if 2 spikes team up, we know they will, and they usually just get crushed anyway.
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The first thing that comes to mind is if you enter a tournament, with enough players entering, you and your friend will sit at the same table maybe one time. If I would be an EDH master I would pick two schemers out of the table quickly enough and would hold a convincing monologue why we all should destroy these guys first, before proceeding to wage war against each other.
It would become an archetype rather than a nasty habit; playing ''combo'' with your friend, hopefully to get lucky with the pairings. I wouldn't count on it in a competitive setting as you are the first ones to get creamed for sure.
The thing that really interests me is that instead of trying to reach the top 8, you try to make it to the final table! I'm not an avid poker player or anything but it sounds really cool to be playing at... a final table..
My idea was, essentially, you could sanction a "casual" event, naming the players in it, and, if you want, describe the format (Commander, Casual FFA, Cube, Planechase, etc). This would not be for points or DCI rating, all it would do is allow wizards to better understand the players ate your store and what formats are popular.
This would have mattered more when WPN was around. It would allow the more casual players to still "play" for WPN awards, maybe limit it to counting one "casual" event per day to avoid abuse. Nonetheless, it wold have given casual players an excuse to get out of the den and go to your LGS, since it would go towards WPN and likely some free promos.
Now, it could still happen to allow WotC to better allocate casual promos as well as understand what casual formats are popular and where.
Most important in my idea is that stores don't have to change anything, don't have to add prize, and don't have to worry about someone's rating going down for playing for fun. Instead, they can report Magic activity at their store, which seems like a win-win-win for players, stores, and Wizards.
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And then of course, the points values happen once for each player and there would be a metric ton of them, maybe a few for certain color combinations, and stuff like that. In the end, the game only ends when one player (or team) is left and the player (or team) with the most points wins, even if they did not last till the end.
It should be able to push the fun aspect and less the win or lose aspect.
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Did I miss something? I thought WPN was around, and this was the entire point of it.
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