I have a hunch the third set, Mirrodin Pure, is going to be all artifacts.
They've done all creatures with Legions, and all gold with Alara Reborn. Thanks to Esper, we know that they're willing to print colored artifact cards and I think that would be the logical next step for Mirrodin.
Thoughts?
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I have a hunch the third set, Mirrodin Pure, is going to be all artifacts.
They've done all creatures with Legions, and all gold with Alara Reborn. Thanks to Esper, we know that they're willing to print colored artifact cards and I think that would be the logical next step for Mirrodin.
Thoughts?
No. Which is the same thing I said when certain people thought we would have an all artifact set last time, during mirrodin, back at mtgnews.
A set of all colorless artifacts would be absolutely ruinous for draft purposes. A set of "all artifacts" that cheated by including colored artifacts would be rather unimpressive and play out in a dull fashion. Either way, it's not nearly as exciting a gimmick as Alara Reborn was.
where as there can be gold instants and sorceries... unless i'm mistaken there's no such thing as artifact instant/sorcery.. i doubt wizards would make a set with 0 instants or sorceries..
where as there can be gold instants and sorceries... unless i'm mistaken there's no such thing as artifact instant/sorcery.. i doubt wizards would make a set with 0 instants or sorceries..
There was Legions... No such thing as creature instants and creature sorceries.
All artifacts is possible, though i don't think we'll see in in Scars block. You don't have colored artifacts in Scars.
The problem is, artifacts can't "one-up" colors. An artifact can't counter spells better than blue, or destroy creatures better than black. So you'll be left with a whole bunch of bad artifacts.
I think it would be easy to do with something like Esper where the "all artifacts" is more of a tag line than a real restriction. But classic artifacts would be pretty bad.
We haven't even confirmed that Mirroden Pure is the name of the last set. e_e
Anyway, all artifacts could work. Just give them flash and and have them leave play instantly/have a Comes into Play trigger. It's still a bad idea though. The Most of the set will either be too good or crap.
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Legions was a massive disappointment for me. Creatures are just boring eventually, and overcosting them to give them instant and sorcery-like effects is really not helping.
Given that, a) artifacts can be both creatures and non-creatures, which is more than can be said of creatures (I'm looking at Legions here), and b) Wizards is willing to make colored artifacts a significant element in a block (looking at Esper), I think there's absolutely no problem with them making an all-artifact set (especially as a third set).
However, it doesn't look like Scars of Mirrodin is going in that direction, in the sense that they're prominently featuring the Mirran faction, which seems to be made up significantly of non-artifact creatures. Now, it's possible that the Phyrexian oil will predominate or something and somehow we'll turn all of Mirrodin's inhabitants into artifacts (a lot of them are most of the way there anyway), but that doesn't strike me as very probable.
Another problem with doing that is, as already pointed out, all artifacts would only not mess up drafts big-time if colored artifacts were used a lot, but we just had that in Esper, so it doesn't seem like a good time to do it. We also just had an "all something" set in Alara Reborn, so that would also take some of the wind out of this sets sails.
So, while it seems like the idea could see execution some day, it doesn't seem like now's the time. Of course, if not now, when? Probably not in the near future. Maybe in Mirrodin 3.
Well I think if they went for it in the third set of this new mirrodin then it wouldn't be to bad. That set isn't going to come out till mid to late next year. That is at least 8 months away and that really is a bit of time considering anything esper goes away in 3 weeks. As far as draft is concerned it could be a bit weird but what is stopping Wizards using colorless instants and sorcery's along the lines of ghostfire. Sure the set would be a bit weird but I have faith that it would be a blast to play.
Well I think if they went for it in the third set of this new mirrodin then it wouldn't be to bad. That set isn't going to come out till mid to late next year. That is at least 8 months away and that really is a bit of time considering anything esper goes away in 3 weeks. As far as draft is concerned it could be a bit weird but what is stopping Wizards using colorless instants and sorcery's along the lines of ghostfire. Sure the set would be a bit weird but I have faith that it would be a blast to play.
They wouldn't even have to go that route if they really wanted all artifacts. For lack of a better example, Scale of chiss-goria with a tap, sac, and colored mana activation cost would work the same way as a crappy instant. Hell, an artifact that just cost zero and had an activation cost of 3WW,T, sac: destroy all creatures seems like a worse version of day of judgment but somehow I think it would actually be too good if there's anything like academy ruins in the environment. They'd probably have to up the amount of colored mana in the activation costs to not be totally insane.
With things like metalcraft around I'd definitely prefer Æther Spellbomb over unsummon even though it's pretty much going to do the same thing except at sorcery speed and costing 1 more mana.
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Who said it was? I remember alara reborn being drafted with shards and conflux. Doubt this would be anything different...draft Scars, Beseiged, and set 3.
Artifacts are versatile enough. The problem really lays in how sorceries and instants interact in the game that's different from artifacts. You could do colorless ones, but then it's not an all-artifact set is it?
I was under the understanding that all sets are going to be printed in the block structure that Zen block was. Meaning Big set first, then a little set to be drafted with the big set, then another big set that is a stand alone draft format.
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My understanding was that the AaB structure of Zendikar (Big set, theme A; small set, theme A; big set, theme B) was something they were reserving for when they wanted to use a theme that wasn't big enough for 3 sets. I could see artifacts being a theme that is a little too small for 3 sets (look at how 5th Dawn fared, especially considering that its theme was basically "5 colors"). However, if that were the case, then the 3rd set definitely wouldn't be all artifact.
I could see something like this:
Scars of Mirrodin
Mirrodin Besieged (all artifacts because of something the Phyrexians did)
Third Set (not artifact themed, its own draft environment, representing the "come back" of the Mirrans)
However, SoM doesn't seem to be headed toward an artifact only set, for the reasons I gave in my last post.
well... I will say at least this much... although I think the thread is garbage since we don't even have a confirmed name for set 3.
Colored artifacts were a great addition to the game. Thinking about it... in the past there have been artifacts with colored activations, and colored artifacts make sense in the same respect. why shouldn't a machine be aligned with a specific color of mana. I think this should be evergreen.
On the same token, I think it would also make sense to have other colorless non-artifact spells. I think it's safe to say that there could easily be spells that would be unaligned. This has been broken into slightly with Eldrazi, but that's also only with these huge spells and nothing for the mid or lower mana costs. This would be something that I think would need incorperated somewhere other than Eldrazi before it became a general mechanic, but would definitely be good for the game.
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They've done all creatures with Legions, and all gold with Alara Reborn. Thanks to Esper, we know that they're willing to print colored artifact cards and I think that would be the logical next step for Mirrodin.
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No. Which is the same thing I said when certain people thought we would have an all artifact set last time, during mirrodin, back at mtgnews.
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The problem is, artifacts can't "one-up" colors. An artifact can't counter spells better than blue, or destroy creatures better than black. So you'll be left with a whole bunch of bad artifacts.
I think it would be easy to do with something like Esper where the "all artifacts" is more of a tag line than a real restriction. But classic artifacts would be pretty bad.
Look at how much people loved Legions though. If my memory stands correctly, not that much.
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Anyway, all artifacts could work. Just give them flash and and have them leave play instantly/have a Comes into Play trigger. It's still a bad idea though. The Most of the set will either be too good or crap.
Legions was a massive disappointment for me. Creatures are just boring eventually, and overcosting them to give them instant and sorcery-like effects is really not helping.
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However, it doesn't look like Scars of Mirrodin is going in that direction, in the sense that they're prominently featuring the Mirran faction, which seems to be made up significantly of non-artifact creatures. Now, it's possible that the Phyrexian oil will predominate or something and somehow we'll turn all of Mirrodin's inhabitants into artifacts (a lot of them are most of the way there anyway), but that doesn't strike me as very probable.
Another problem with doing that is, as already pointed out, all artifacts would only not mess up drafts big-time if colored artifacts were used a lot, but we just had that in Esper, so it doesn't seem like a good time to do it. We also just had an "all something" set in Alara Reborn, so that would also take some of the wind out of this sets sails.
So, while it seems like the idea could see execution some day, it doesn't seem like now's the time. Of course, if not now, when? Probably not in the near future. Maybe in Mirrodin 3.
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With things like metalcraft around I'd definitely prefer Æther Spellbomb over unsummon even though it's pretty much going to do the same thing except at sorcery speed and costing 1 more mana.
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but i still feel like they won't do it, do it again that is
Cool story, but Legions also was not designed to be a stand alone draft set, MPure is supposed to be, right? like RoE.
No, instant spells would drive me nuts in limited.
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Artifacts are versatile enough. The problem really lays in how sorceries and instants interact in the game that's different from artifacts. You could do colorless ones, but then it's not an all-artifact set is it?
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I could see something like this:
Scars of Mirrodin
Mirrodin Besieged (all artifacts because of something the Phyrexians did)
Third Set (not artifact themed, its own draft environment, representing the "come back" of the Mirrans)
However, SoM doesn't seem to be headed toward an artifact only set, for the reasons I gave in my last post.
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Colored artifacts were a great addition to the game. Thinking about it... in the past there have been artifacts with colored activations, and colored artifacts make sense in the same respect. why shouldn't a machine be aligned with a specific color of mana. I think this should be evergreen.
On the same token, I think it would also make sense to have other colorless non-artifact spells. I think it's safe to say that there could easily be spells that would be unaligned. This has been broken into slightly with Eldrazi, but that's also only with these huge spells and nothing for the mid or lower mana costs. This would be something that I think would need incorperated somewhere other than Eldrazi before it became a general mechanic, but would definitely be good for the game.
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