Yeah because wizards never teases anything about magic ever, and it so makes much more sense that it's an awkward moon randomly in the middle of the picture, instead of having a smooth ally ring and the whole explanation of the green planet exploding. Totally makes more sense.
The issue here is how WotC teases things.
When you look at "teasers" printed on cards in the past that hint to future mechanics and cards, there are quite a few consistent things about them:
They're very obviously hints, in order to ensure that people pick up on them.
They hint at something coming within the next six months.
They hint at something inside the same block/storyline.
They pretty much never tease something solely using art -- they use other cards or flavor text to further flesh out the hint.
Teasing a returning mechanic from a block over a year away in the art of a core set spell in this way makes no sense. It doesn't build useful hype -- in fact, it distracts from the sets WotC actually wants to hype (SoM and its block) and is much too ambiguous for anyone to meaningfully extract information from.
If we were in the leadup to Shake's release and got this as a promo image, I would definitely support the idea that it could be a hint of a sixth "purple" color being introduced, but as it is the idea that this is a hint really does make much less sense than the idea that we're looking at an illustration that was supposed to show "some planets" and the illustrator just happened to put one that was purple.
Would be nice if instead of lands we sometimes got standard-legal "Alternate Reality" cards, just as we get foils instead of rules/tokens.
well purple was Time-Shifted. Eh if anything it would seem plausible to where Shake might be (If it's the "Home-Plane" we have seen had three or more Catastrophes that could end the world I will eat all my TSP block cards).
If it's a color that is going to be... interesting I will say that much.
The biggest hole I can find with purple as a color seems simple: the Eldrazi would've most certainly been purple had purple been thought a possibility. Thematically, they're beings that are above the traditional colors. How better to introduce another color than to have it come out with a bang as having it be an enemy of all the other colors and having it endure as basically the "New Phyrexia"?
This rumor is insane.....when I have time I'll read through this thread but in the mean time I'm wondering if anyones mentioned this has been a rumor for 15+ years....back during 4th edition or revised....dont remember....but crazy its still floating around.
Would be nice if instead of lands we sometimes got standard-legal "Alternate Reality" cards, just as we get foils instead of rules/tokens.
I dont see how that would work at all... I mean then it would take forever to make enough cards in purple to actually have a deck use it. I dont want to get purple cards that are unplayable cause there are like a total of 6 of them.
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When ~ comes into play, go outside and pick target flower. (You may not pick a weed.) Then, give that flower to target opponent.
Your creatures get 1 Bunny Counter each. (When a creature with a bunny counter is blocked, roll a 6 sided die. If you roll an even number, the blocker is immobilized by your cuteness, and the block becomes illegal.)
Seriously, where's the design space for an entirely new color?
It does seem like he referenced that article directly.
My guess is he is hinting at time shifted cards again. Which, in my opinion, would be awesome! And as Shake is still some time away, a year and a half, it would feel far from Time Spiral.
But purple color? No, please no. It dosen't even make sense, it's unprecedented, and a little crazy.
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I've been playing since Mirrodin and I've never heard anything from WotC that suggests a sixth color is coming. Maybe I've been missing it all these years, but can someone explain to me (with credible evidence) how rumors of a purple as a color started, and how it could possibly help the game.
I've been playing since Mirrodin and I've never heard anything from WotC that suggests a sixth color is coming. Maybe I've been missing it all these years, but can someone explain to me how rumors of a purple as a color started.
This is something they actually considered and tested out for time spiral block. In the end it didn't work that well and was scrapped.
MaRo also commented that he has tons of ideas that didn't make it but he is hesitant to share them, because he's optimistic they might be reworked and included later. That means the ones he DOES share, he is not very keen on happening and likely does not plan on championing compared to the unmentioned ones.
Something Old: From Legacy
Something New: In Scars (the idea that it isn't broken in standard)
Something Borrowed: The card you toss
Something Blue: Force is Blue
Alternate Reality Cards like Unglued but not as off the wall are an interesting idea. You could draft them into the set as normal for some strange interactions, but they woudln't be constructed legal except in casual.
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Out of the blackness and stench of the engulfing swamp emerged a shimmering figure. Only the splattered armor and ichor-stained sword hinted at the unfathomable evil the knight had just laid waste.
I've been playing since Mirrodin and I've never heard anything from WotC that suggests a sixth color is coming. Maybe I've been missing it all these years, but can someone explain to me how rumors of a purple as a color started.
This rumor is insane.....when I have time I'll read through this thread but in the mean time I'm wondering if anyones mentioned this has been a rumor for 15+ years....back during 4th edition or revised....dont remember....but crazy its still floating around.
There you go Himtay.
Originally, the idea was 'floated' the April after 4th edition came out. There was of course the 'poop storm' you'd think there would be, even with a supplied new back to the cards with a purple sphere in the middle of the other 5 colors (found in the Magazines 'Inquest' and 'Scrye' amongst others).
Chaos ensued, and WotC confirmed it was an April fool's prank.
I'm stunned that all these many years later, there are still people that think this could happen. It's just profound this is still touted as a possibility.
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Jace 2.0. The face of Standard. Jace 2.0, everywhere. Elfdrazi? Put in Jace 2.0. RDW? Only if Jace 2.0 is in it. MBC? Look! There's J20 in the fold! Majority of Decklists I come across on this board have Jace 2.0 in it. Alright. We get it. He's the messiah. Enough already. This coming from someone with a Playset of him.
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When ~ comes into play, go outside and pick target flower. (You may not pick a weed.) Then, give that flower to target opponent.
Your creatures get 1 Bunny Counter each. (When a creature with a bunny counter is blocked, roll a 6 sided die. If you roll an even number, the blocker is immobilized by your cuteness, and the block becomes illegal.)
Seriously, where's the design space for an entirely new color?
How does a 6th color help the game? It would just undermine 15+ years of this game. It would be absolutely horrible due to extremely small card pool, and to balance that they'd need to print really good cards to make it worth splashing for, and then it'd be too imba.
No reason to make purple. It also disrupts their entire ally/enemy cycle and setup
Something Old - Mirrodin.
Something New - Phyrexia meets Mirrodin.
Something Borrowed - A mechanic taken from somewhere else is applied to Mirrodin.
Something Blue - He may be referring to a reprint or a variation of a card, mechanic, or theme that blue players love.
I don't necessarily see evidence for purple. What we're seeing is a visible manifestation of the machinery of Rosewater's mind. We can't say for sure what that phrase means, except that he's used it before.
And there may very well be an inside joke going on in that art you've shown us but that still isn't evidence for purple being a new color.
I would never rule out them adding a new color or having colors combined in some way more then how hybrid did but I still suggest we nee d much stronger evidence for it then this since it is a HUGE paradigm shift. I think it is safe to say we might reach a point where a new color(s) is the "next logical step to further advance the game" but right now we have a ton of design space open for planeswalkers, colorless, and hybrid for this to not be necessary for a long while.
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Problems with adding an additional color (this is of course assuming that the sixth color behaves like the normal five):
1. Need to add basic lands to support the sixth color. (Not a huge deal, except in draft/sealed for a pre-release where people won't have them readily available and people will want to take them home with them; WotC would have to ship a box of lands to all organizers)
2. A new color represents a major shift in the basic mechanics for limited. The pool sizes would be the same but the quantity of cards for each color would be reduced. If they overemphasize the new color for the set that introduces it (which is likely) then it becomes a 'torment' style set where you would draft purple + an old color.
3. What color-pie areas would belong to the sixth color? Without a 'new' mechanic to go exclusively with it, it would just feel like a re-shuffling of the existing roles. IE: "This card is purple but it could've just as easily been white." I'm not sure of anything that could fit that.
Problems with adding an additional color (this is of course assuming that the sixth color behaves like the normal five):
1. Need to add basic lands to support the sixth color. (Not a huge deal, except in draft/sealed for a pre-release where people won't have them readily available and people will want to take them home with them; WotC would have to ship a box of lands to all organizers)
2. A new color represents a major shift in the basic mechanics for limited. The pool sizes would be the same but the quantity of cards for each color would be reduced. If they overemphasize the new color for the set that introduces it (which is likely) then it becomes a 'torment' style set where you would draft purple + an old color.
3. What color-pie areas would belong to the sixth color? Without a 'new' mechanic to go exclusively with it, it would just feel like a re-shuffling of the existing roles. IE: "This card is purple but it could've just as easily been white." I'm not sure of anything that could fit that.
1. Wizards does mail a box of lands to places holding release and pre-release events.
2. Card pool per set can be as large as Wizards want, they can simply just increase the amount. M11 is going to have 249 cards with 40 for each color and if Wizards wanted they could just as easily make it 293 cards still with 40 for each color and 4 more for each basic land for the new color.
3. Wizards invents new mechanics every set and they can just give it old mechanics or less popularized mechanics.
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looks kinda simular to crucibe art, which as i understand it showed green coming into mirrodin, and we are going back to mirrodin...just sying...as a matter of fact im gona go ahead and say this is new art for crucible...once again just sayin
1. Wizards does mail a box of lands to places holding release and pre-release events.
2. Card pool per set can be as large as Wizards want, they can simply just increase the amount. M11 is going to have 249 cards with 40 for each color and if Wizards wanted they could just as easily make it 293 cards still with 40 for each color and 4 more for each basic land for the new color.
3. Wizards invents new mechanics every set and they can just give it old mechanics or less popularized mechanics.
1. I said that. What about stores who only run FNMs and no prerelease/release events? Are they going to get a box of purple lands? It seems like a logistical nightmare for organizers/distributors.
2. That said, you're still only opening up 14 card boosters. All things equal, you just went from 3,3,3,3,2 cards / color to 3,3,2,2,2,2 cards / color in a booster (not considering lands/artifacts). It reduces your available cards in two color decks by ~ 20%. If you've noticed, you can open up packs of RoE which are completely barren of cards from one color. It's rare but it happens. With this change it will be more common. The overall # of cards in the set does nothing to change this.
3. The point is that it needs a NEW identity. If you give it banding, rampage 3, etc - it doesn't work because those are abilities that belong to other color(s) - without feeling new it feels like they added a color for the sake of adding a color (kind of like how tribal is a card type instead of subtype). It also needs an iconic race (fairly easy to set one up); And it needs something that it's better at than any other color. Like how black is better at targeted removal, green is better at creatures, blue at card draw, etc. It's obviously doable but if it feels like they added a new color for the SAKE of adding a new color and not to fill a design hole, then it will not work.
This was sarcasm. Honestly, why do people get excited about purple? It creates so many rules complications that it's not funny, and it'd be unsupported by every former cycle of lands, from Duals to Enemy Fetches.
Problems with adding an additional color (this is of course assuming that the sixth color behaves like the normal five):
1. Need to add basic lands to support the sixth color. (Not a huge deal, except in draft/sealed for a pre-release where people won't have them readily available and people will want to take them home with them; WotC would have to ship a box of lands to all organizers)
2. A new color represents a major shift in the basic mechanics for limited. The pool sizes would be the same but the quantity of cards for each color would be reduced. If they overemphasize the new color for the set that introduces it (which is likely) then it becomes a 'torment' style set where you would draft purple + an old color.
3. What color-pie areas would belong to the sixth color? Without a 'new' mechanic to go exclusively with it, it would just feel like a re-shuffling of the existing roles. IE: "This card is purple but it could've just as easily been white." I'm not sure of anything that could fit that.
Color: Purple
Symbol:
Basic Land Type: Rift
Flavor Keywords: Æther, Insanity, Time/Space, Obscurity/Strangeness
Like all good Myths it has more than one Story Line: by Taylor (here) & by ZasZ (here and here)
Races: Finori, Vith, Entity (All Finori have Delif and all Entities are enchantment creatures)
Mechanics: (though the keyword-template is used, e.g. Rifting may be just a nickname)
Rifting (When you play this spell, return a spell you control to its owners hand.)
Forget (To forget a card, remove it from the game. If a player would draw a card, instead that player may exchange the top card of his or her library with a forgotten card he or she owns, then draws a card.)
Banding (This creature may attack or block in a band with another. If one creature in the band is blocked all are blocked. You assign how combat damage is dealt to the band.) [NOTE: Banding is the 'meshing of flesh' in purple. Two creature becoming one.]
Insanity Counters (A player with insanity counters forgets that many cards from the top of the library, at the beginning of his or her upkeep.)
Delif <action> (When this creature attacks and isn't blocked, it deals no combat damage this turn. <action>)
Retaliate (If this creature would deal enough combat damage to creatures it blocks to destroy them, you may have it deal the rest of its damage to attacking player.)
General Design Notes:
Purple is a new color, not a quality of mana. It is considered listed everywhere the other five colors are listed in the comp. rules all the time. This is also true for associated values as e.g. basic land type.
Purple is not considered to take a position among the colors of the 5-color pie (for those of you that still believe in the pie ;)) - it has an equal stance to each of the other five colors.
Set-related:
Purple needs love for limited: Being able to play purple cards in non-purple decks on common and uncommon-level is appreciated/encouraged.
Sample cards:
That all being said I think it was the worst idea ever, and I'm only glad I did it because it SHOWED me it was a horrible idea.
The issue here is how WotC teases things.
When you look at "teasers" printed on cards in the past that hint to future mechanics and cards, there are quite a few consistent things about them:
Teasing a returning mechanic from a block over a year away in the art of a core set spell in this way makes no sense. It doesn't build useful hype -- in fact, it distracts from the sets WotC actually wants to hype (SoM and its block) and is much too ambiguous for anyone to meaningfully extract information from.
If we were in the leadup to Shake's release and got this as a promo image, I would definitely support the idea that it could be a hint of a sixth "purple" color being introduced, but as it is the idea that this is a hint really does make much less sense than the idea that we're looking at an illustration that was supposed to show "some planets" and the illustrator just happened to put one that was purple.
Does he ever. I think MaRo has used puns on "Eight Is Enough" more than he even talks about having been a writer on Roseanne.
Would be nice if instead of lands we sometimes got standard-legal "Alternate Reality" cards, just as we get foils instead of rules/tokens.
What's your deal with asking for a lock? It's a fun and interesting speculation thread.
well purple was Time-Shifted. Eh if anything it would seem plausible to where Shake might be (If it's the "Home-Plane" we have seen had three or more Catastrophes that could end the world I will eat all my TSP block cards).
If it's a color that is going to be... interesting I will say that much.
If this has been pointed out before, I apologize.
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I dont see how that would work at all... I mean then it would take forever to make enough cards in purple to actually have a deck use it. I dont want to get purple cards that are unplayable cause there are like a total of 6 of them.
Enchantment
When ~ comes into play, go outside and pick target flower. (You may not pick a weed.) Then, give that flower to target opponent.
Your creatures get 1 Bunny Counter each. (When a creature with a bunny counter is blocked, roll a 6 sided die. If you roll an even number, the blocker is immobilized by your cuteness, and the block becomes illegal.)
Seriously, where's the design space for an entirely new color?
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My guess is he is hinting at time shifted cards again. Which, in my opinion, would be awesome! And as Shake is still some time away, a year and a half, it would feel far from Time Spiral.
But purple color? No, please no. It dosen't even make sense, it's unprecedented, and a little crazy.
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This is something they actually considered and tested out for time spiral block. In the end it didn't work that well and was scrapped.
MaRo also commented that he has tons of ideas that didn't make it but he is hesitant to share them, because he's optimistic they might be reworked and included later. That means the ones he DOES share, he is not very keen on happening and likely does not plan on championing compared to the unmentioned ones.
That would nearly fit all 4:
Something Old: From Legacy
Something New: In Scars (the idea that it isn't broken in standard)
Something Borrowed: The card you toss
Something Blue: Force is Blue
Alternate Reality Cards like Unglued but not as off the wall are an interesting idea. You could draft them into the set as normal for some strange interactions, but they woudln't be constructed legal except in casual.
There you go Himtay.
Originally, the idea was 'floated' the April after 4th edition came out. There was of course the 'poop storm' you'd think there would be, even with a supplied new back to the cards with a purple sphere in the middle of the other 5 colors (found in the Magazines 'Inquest' and 'Scrye' amongst others).
Chaos ensued, and WotC confirmed it was an April fool's prank.
I'm stunned that all these many years later, there are still people that think this could happen. It's just profound this is still touted as a possibility.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=125470
Eh I say be creative. Besides who's to say that the Eldrazi weren't orignally Purple if they transcended ALL Colors, LOL.
No reason to make purple. It also disrupts their entire ally/enemy cycle and setup
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Something New - Phyrexia meets Mirrodin.
Something Borrowed - A mechanic taken from somewhere else is applied to Mirrodin.
Something Blue - He may be referring to a reprint or a variation of a card, mechanic, or theme that blue players love.
I don't necessarily see evidence for purple. What we're seeing is a visible manifestation of the machinery of Rosewater's mind. We can't say for sure what that phrase means, except that he's used it before.
And there may very well be an inside joke going on in that art you've shown us but that still isn't evidence for purple being a new color.
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Legacy: UW Miracle, U MUC, UW StoneBlade, U Merfolk, R Burn, & UB Reanimator
EDH: U Azami, Lady of Scrolls & URG Riku of Two Reflections
Casual: UR Dragonstorm, UB Dralnu-Teachings, U NinjaFae, & UR Izzet EDH
1. Need to add basic lands to support the sixth color. (Not a huge deal, except in draft/sealed for a pre-release where people won't have them readily available and people will want to take them home with them; WotC would have to ship a box of lands to all organizers)
2. A new color represents a major shift in the basic mechanics for limited. The pool sizes would be the same but the quantity of cards for each color would be reduced. If they overemphasize the new color for the set that introduces it (which is likely) then it becomes a 'torment' style set where you would draft purple + an old color.
3. What color-pie areas would belong to the sixth color? Without a 'new' mechanic to go exclusively with it, it would just feel like a re-shuffling of the existing roles. IE: "This card is purple but it could've just as easily been white." I'm not sure of anything that could fit that.
1. Wizards does mail a box of lands to places holding release and pre-release events.
2. Card pool per set can be as large as Wizards want, they can simply just increase the amount. M11 is going to have 249 cards with 40 for each color and if Wizards wanted they could just as easily make it 293 cards still with 40 for each color and 4 more for each basic land for the new color.
3. Wizards invents new mechanics every set and they can just give it old mechanics or less popularized mechanics.
"It was probably a lousy spell in the first place."
—Ertai, wizard adept
Legacy: UW Miracle, U MUC, UW StoneBlade, U Merfolk, R Burn, & UB Reanimator
EDH: U Azami, Lady of Scrolls & URG Riku of Two Reflections
Casual: UR Dragonstorm, UB Dralnu-Teachings, U NinjaFae, & UR Izzet EDH
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EDH: U Azami, Lady of Scrolls & URG Riku of Two Reflections
Casual: UR Dragonstorm, UB Dralnu-Teachings, U NinjaFae, & UR Izzet EDH
1. I said that. What about stores who only run FNMs and no prerelease/release events? Are they going to get a box of purple lands? It seems like a logistical nightmare for organizers/distributors.
2. That said, you're still only opening up 14 card boosters. All things equal, you just went from 3,3,3,3,2 cards / color to 3,3,2,2,2,2 cards / color in a booster (not considering lands/artifacts). It reduces your available cards in two color decks by ~ 20%. If you've noticed, you can open up packs of RoE which are completely barren of cards from one color. It's rare but it happens. With this change it will be more common. The overall # of cards in the set does nothing to change this.
3. The point is that it needs a NEW identity. If you give it banding, rampage 3, etc - it doesn't work because those are abilities that belong to other color(s) - without feeling new it feels like they added a color for the sake of adding a color (kind of like how tribal is a card type instead of subtype). It also needs an iconic race (fairly easy to set one up); And it needs something that it's better at than any other color. Like how black is better at targeted removal, green is better at creatures, blue at card draw, etc. It's obviously doable but if it feels like they added a new color for the SAKE of adding a new color and not to fill a design hole, then it will not work.
This was sarcasm. Honestly, why do people get excited about purple? It creates so many rules complications that it's not funny, and it'd be unsupported by every former cycle of lands, from Duals to Enemy Fetches.
I am petitioning to get players to stop complaining about mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
From here:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=125470
Color: Purple
Symbol:
Basic Land Type: Rift
Flavor Keywords: Æther, Insanity, Time/Space, Obscurity/Strangeness
Like all good Myths it has more than one Story Line: by Taylor (here) & by ZasZ (here and here)
Races: Finori, Vith, Entity
(All Finori have Delif and all Entities are enchantment creatures)
Classes: Psion, some established ones
Themes:
8 is enough.