Yep the obligatory purple thread... the card backs... the time spiral purple design... the custom set designs... the end of magic...
Anyway as for thie pic, it does not make sense to portray colorless as black and black as purple. If they want to make colorless a "sixth color" they should have made a silver planet, or a transparent one (Eldrazi-esque). The purple planet represents purple. Now whether that is purple mana or just a literal sixth color of a planet, we can never tell as this point.
The fact is, Wizards is open to the possibility of the sixth color, they have tried developing it.. and most likely doing it right now as well.
honestly, everything MaRo says winds up either being way too general, way too obscure, or a complete truth-twister. take things he says with a salt-lick.
Take your monoblack deck, then set aside 14 swamps. Add 4 Creeping Tar Pits, 4 Darkslick Shores, 4 Drowned Catacombs, and 2 Jwar isle Refuge and add 4 Jace, the Mindsculptors. Your monoblack deck is instantly better. Better yet, drop those refuges, throw in some islands and some mana leaks, and lo and behold, you're now playing a real deck. Congratulations. Welcome to the world of competitive M:TG.
City-color of society/collectivity-criminality, exploitation, culture, wealth, social cohesion, enlightened self-interest, enterprise, and politicking.
Blue is all of those things.
Except that first one, which makes no sense. Collectivity-criminality has to be some sort of scale or continuum, but a scale can't be a characteristic of a thematic entity.
I wonder if ignorance of the associations facilitates the hatred of Blue in significantly many players.
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Purple as a temporary color will never be done. THey tried it in Planar chaos and gave up.
Purple as a permanet addition will never be done. The game isn't lacking anything with 5 colors. In fact, there aren't really enough abilities to go around now, i can't imagine having to divy up the mechanics into six colors.
Realistically, i think it's far more likely that green and white will be merged into one color. That's not going to happen either, but it would do more for the game than adding Purple.
Yes, because the mechanics of Green and White are SO similar...
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My color is Purple. I value diversity, smashed color pies and obsolete Inquest articles. At my best, I can redefine MTG in a new and wonderful way. At my worst, I can end up as an Unhinged joke. My symbol is not defined. My enemies are 5 old and bureaucratic angry colors.
Purple as tech. Not artifacts, which are tools, but honest to God tech. In an infinite multiverse, with infinite possibilities, you think some world would be past the renaissance era.
Purple as a temporary color will never be done. THey tried it in Planar chaos and gave up.
Purple as a permanet addition will never be done. The game isn't lacking anything with 5 colors. In fact, there aren't really enough abilities to go around now, i can't imagine having to divy up the mechanics into six colors.
Realistically, i think it's far more likely that green and white will be merged into one color. That's not going to happen either, but it would do more for the game than adding Purple.
PC had Purple? Where? I see Timeshifted cards but no purple cards.
Purple as tech. Not artifacts, which are tools, but honest to God tech. In an infinite multiverse, with infinite possibilities, you think some world would be past the renaissance era.
Different planes of existence evolve at different rates of time. Some can be completley primeval and primitive, some worlds like Esper on Alara are High Tech.
Life Weaver: In an article posted by Maro, (The exact name escapes me right now,) He was talking about how PC made it to testing with Purple actually in it. It never made the cut for reasons others have stated though.
Life Weaver: In an article posted by Maro, (The exact name escapes me right now,) He was talking about how PC made it to testing with Purple actually in it. It never made the cut for reasons others have stated though.
Hmm alright, that makes actual sense, I was wondering what the other poster meant.
Purple... Civilization, Progress, Aether, Time, Rifts, Mind. That is all I have seen that would make any sense to purple.
PC had Purple? Where? I see Timeshifted cards but no purple cards.
If you actually took the time to read the article in the first post from Paul Sottosanti, it covers that purple was part of the design testing of Planar Chaos. An official reason for why it was scrapped wasn't given other than they decided it wasn't a good idea.
It also covers what design space purple would hold, and which mechanics. Anyone that says there isn't enough "room" for another color really has little to no imagination. When the Green Ranger decided to join the team, did they say "there's no room for you"? Heck no. <cough>
You know I suppose its possible for the art they were like "Wow this looks really badass. Whats up with this purple thing here though? We didn't ask for that.....☺☺☺☺ it. It looks badass let's run with it."
It also covers what design space purple would hold, and which mechanics. Anyone that says there isn't enough "room" for another color really has little to no imagination. When the Green Ranger decided to join the team, did they say "there's no room for you"? Heck no. <cough>
Okay, i'll bite. Go. Tell me exactly how the color pie should be moved around to make room for purple.
In planar chaos they could do this because the basics of the color pie were getting reshuffled so Purple was going to be getting core things from other colors (blue and black) mostly. But as a permanent addition to the game, what mechanics would purple get?
Magic really doesn't have that much "stuff" to go around. They've already stretched evergreen abilities into secondary and teriary colors (replacing fear in the process), and have moved mechanics around to give each color more options.
They could come up with something, i'm sure of that. But I don't see the tradeoff as worth it.
I really could see this happening. Not in M11, but in the next TS-like set (and there WILL be another one, as nostalgia is an easy way to attract older players). Not forever, but for one or two crazy sets.
Btw. remember when it was announced you could get P9 in Zendikar packs? People went CRAZY. Things like that really give sales a boost. Plus, some time in the future they'll have to do something new. Design space is limited.
MaRo has said that Time Spiral failed as a block because to new players, nostalgia means nothing. Just look at the Core Set these days, and you'll see why there's not going to be another nostalgia-themed block anytime soon.
Your "update" is bankrupt as far as additional evidence is concerned.
"Something old, something new, something borrowed, and something blue" is a reference to a wedding tradition. The Time Spiral article referenced the wedding tradition, and the tweet referenced that tradition. They are in no way related.
Even if they were related, the only "purple" thing to be mentioned in the Time Spiral article is the timeshifted card set and rarity.
Anyway....purple conspiracy FTL.
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You do realize that if they added purple they'd kind of have to change the backs of the cards, which they can't do. What about all of the prismatic cards before? Do they errata every card with a RWBUG mana cost? What about dual lands? Do they print 5 new duals just for purple? There is simply no reason to add purple. Then again there was no reason for mythics and here they are.
MaRo has said that Time Spiral failed as a block because to new players, nostalgia means nothing. Just look at the Core Set these days, and you'll see why there's not going to be another nostalgia-themed block anytime soon.
You don't consider a return to Mirrodin that includes Phyrexians to be nostalgia-themed?
I agree with those who have suggested that a block or set that includes purple is inevitable. They've tested it out already, and I'm sure eventually they will solve the problems and actually go through with it. And I don't think that's a bad thing, as long as the execution is well done.
No. Absolutely never ever never never NEVER is there EVER going to be a sixth color. This is the speculation forum, not "Hey guys let's make up random baseless crap" forum.
How the hell has this gone nine pages without a lock? Seriously?
No. Absolutely never ever never never NEVER is there EVER going to be a sixth color. This is the speculation forum, not "Hey guys let's make up random baseless crap" forum.
How the hell has this gone nine pages without a lock? Seriously?
Have you not read the article discussing how they playtested purple in Planar Chaos? Sure, the evidence presented here probably doesn't add up to purple in Shake (or SoM, for that matter), but to dismiss the possibility entirely is a bit harsh. It really wouldn't surprise me at all to see a 6th color show up the next time they try a crazy Time Spiral-esque block. I would honestly be a bit surprised if they didn't try it at some point in Magic's future.
Have you not read the article discussing how they playtested purple in Planar Chaos? Sure, the evidence presented here probably doesn't add up to purple in Shake (or SoM, for that matter), but to dismiss the possibility entirely is a bit harsh. It really wouldn't surprise me at all to see a 6th color show up the next time they try a crazy Time Spiral-esque block. I would honestly be a bit surprised if they didn't try it at some point in Magic's future.
They won't do it for all sorts of reasons, most of all being that it would be far more trouble than it's worth. Have you looked at the back of a Magic card lately? That absolutely cannot be changed. It has the five colors on it, and cannot incorporate a sixth. That alone is key, because the representation of one's product is incredibly important for this sort of market. Heck, I could probably come up with billions of reasons, but I'll assume you're intelligent enough to not need to continue asserting a point like this.
Also, I highly suspect that article was just yet another troll from the higher-ups in Wizards, as is usual for them.
I'm fairly certain it will happen, but not in the sense that it becomes the sixth color. I imagine it being something like:
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Purple represents colored mana. You can pay purple costs with any color of mana. Purple is essentially the colored mana symbol. It lets them print things like affinity for artifacts while still requiring colored mana and still lets it be accessible to all colors. What it means is that you ultimately wont get to reduce the cost to 0 by having a lot of artifacts, but all the colors can play it. It also lets them print artifact instants and sorceries in a way. For instance, you could make an instant or sorcery card that costs PPPP. It's usable in any deck like artifacts are, but it's not a permanent.
With this in mind, there is a HUGE amount of design space in Purple, unlike what most people are saying.
Just my two cents.
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Purple as a temporary color will never be done. THey tried it in Planar chaos and gave up.
Err... Planar Chaos is the fourth design team that's seriously considered it. It didn't make it into PC because it didn't gel well with the overall design of the set, not because they considered it unworkable. Those are much more the attributes of something that might get revisited someday than the attributes of something that's been deemed unusable forever.
The bar for introducing a sixth color as a temporary element is always going to be incredibly high. It might be so high that no design is ever good enough for it and it never actually happens; it might be just low enough that a really clever approach fits well with it and it comes to pass. Neither is an impossibility, and Rosewater pretty much said as much when he wrote about the topic.
It's not impossible for a sixth color... but it would require THREE sets minimum to implement it into the color wheel. This is not saying that it would be nothing but P cards, think Hybrid Purple and Gold cards with Purple to also be implemented into it.
You would need to create various examples of multicolor and hybrid spells, dual and tri-lands as well.
It's not impossible it just would require a lot of room to play a game of "Catch Up" with the other colors.
It would have alien creatures and sort of manipulate space time and things.
Anyway as for thie pic, it does not make sense to portray colorless as black and black as purple. If they want to make colorless a "sixth color" they should have made a silver planet, or a transparent one (Eldrazi-esque). The purple planet represents purple. Now whether that is purple mana or just a literal sixth color of a planet, we can never tell as this point.
The fact is, Wizards is open to the possibility of the sixth color, they have tried developing it.. and most likely doing it right now as well.
Blue is all of those things.
Except that first one, which makes no sense. Collectivity-criminality has to be some sort of scale or continuum, but a scale can't be a characteristic of a thematic entity.
I wonder if ignorance of the associations facilitates the hatred of Blue in significantly many players.
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Purple as a permanet addition will never be done. The game isn't lacking anything with 5 colors. In fact, there aren't really enough abilities to go around now, i can't imagine having to divy up the mechanics into six colors.
Realistically, i think it's far more likely that green and white will be merged into one color. That's not going to happen either, but it would do more for the game than adding Purple.
PC had Purple? Where? I see Timeshifted cards but no purple cards.
Different planes of existence evolve at different rates of time. Some can be completley primeval and primitive, some worlds like Esper on Alara are High Tech.
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Hmm alright, that makes actual sense, I was wondering what the other poster meant.
Purple... Civilization, Progress, Aether, Time, Rifts, Mind. That is all I have seen that would make any sense to purple.
If you actually took the time to read the article in the first post from Paul Sottosanti, it covers that purple was part of the design testing of Planar Chaos. An official reason for why it was scrapped wasn't given other than they decided it wasn't a good idea.
It also covers what design space purple would hold, and which mechanics. Anyone that says there isn't enough "room" for another color really has little to no imagination. When the Green Ranger decided to join the team, did they say "there's no room for you"? Heck no. <cough>
I agree with this. I think it would be a little too much to do as a permanent thing...
...Unless of course all the developers and R&D get some REALLY good crack...than anything could happen.
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Okay, i'll bite. Go. Tell me exactly how the color pie should be moved around to make room for purple.
In planar chaos they could do this because the basics of the color pie were getting reshuffled so Purple was going to be getting core things from other colors (blue and black) mostly. But as a permanent addition to the game, what mechanics would purple get?
Magic really doesn't have that much "stuff" to go around. They've already stretched evergreen abilities into secondary and teriary colors (replacing fear in the process), and have moved mechanics around to give each color more options.
They could come up with something, i'm sure of that. But I don't see the tradeoff as worth it.
MaRo has said that Time Spiral failed as a block because to new players, nostalgia means nothing. Just look at the Core Set these days, and you'll see why there's not going to be another nostalgia-themed block anytime soon.
"Something old, something new, something borrowed, and something blue" is a reference to a wedding tradition. The Time Spiral article referenced the wedding tradition, and the tweet referenced that tradition. They are in no way related.
Even if they were related, the only "purple" thing to be mentioned in the Time Spiral article is the timeshifted card set and rarity.
Anyway....purple conspiracy FTL.
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You don't consider a return to Mirrodin that includes Phyrexians to be nostalgia-themed?
I agree with those who have suggested that a block or set that includes purple is inevitable. They've tested it out already, and I'm sure eventually they will solve the problems and actually go through with it. And I don't think that's a bad thing, as long as the execution is well done.
How the hell has this gone nine pages without a lock? Seriously?
Have you not read the article discussing how they playtested purple in Planar Chaos? Sure, the evidence presented here probably doesn't add up to purple in Shake (or SoM, for that matter), but to dismiss the possibility entirely is a bit harsh. It really wouldn't surprise me at all to see a 6th color show up the next time they try a crazy Time Spiral-esque block. I would honestly be a bit surprised if they didn't try it at some point in Magic's future.
They won't do it for all sorts of reasons, most of all being that it would be far more trouble than it's worth. Have you looked at the back of a Magic card lately? That absolutely cannot be changed. It has the five colors on it, and cannot incorporate a sixth. That alone is key, because the representation of one's product is incredibly important for this sort of market. Heck, I could probably come up with billions of reasons, but I'll assume you're intelligent enough to not need to continue asserting a point like this.
Also, I highly suspect that article was just yet another troll from the higher-ups in Wizards, as is usual for them.
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Purple represents colored mana. You can pay purple costs with any color of mana. Purple is essentially the colored mana symbol. It lets them print things like affinity for artifacts while still requiring colored mana and still lets it be accessible to all colors. What it means is that you ultimately wont get to reduce the cost to 0 by having a lot of artifacts, but all the colors can play it. It also lets them print artifact instants and sorceries in a way. For instance, you could make an instant or sorcery card that costs PPPP. It's usable in any deck like artifacts are, but it's not a permanent.
With this in mind, there is a HUGE amount of design space in Purple, unlike what most people are saying.
Just my two cents.
No way. No way in hell. I'll eat a full set of Fallen Empires if this ever happens.
Err... Planar Chaos is the fourth design team that's seriously considered it. It didn't make it into PC because it didn't gel well with the overall design of the set, not because they considered it unworkable. Those are much more the attributes of something that might get revisited someday than the attributes of something that's been deemed unusable forever.
The bar for introducing a sixth color as a temporary element is always going to be incredibly high. It might be so high that no design is ever good enough for it and it never actually happens; it might be just low enough that a really clever approach fits well with it and it comes to pass. Neither is an impossibility, and Rosewater pretty much said as much when he wrote about the topic.
Yes, I'm sure they just make up completely false stories about their design process for no reason so they can lie pointlessly to their reader base.
You would need to create various examples of multicolor and hybrid spells, dual and tri-lands as well.
It's not impossible it just would require a lot of room to play a game of "Catch Up" with the other colors.
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