well purple is rising from the nexus... which one could read into as coming from nowhere to join the others...
but hey! this is how I view it. My friends and I always joke about purple mana. we have infact taken the joke so are as use the "create one color of mana of your choice" clause to say purple to pump into colorless spells (once got yelled at by a judge for it too) I'd be ok for it as a block thing, much like with the snow lands. If its not, ok, not a big deal. I've been ok with the game so far through its ups and downs, and the game always proves itself so I trust it.
And to everyone saying "It wont happen" people who make cards have artistic license and can use it anytime they want, with the ok of their boss. to give a really bad geeky example superman died. so its possible for them to do anything.
Yeah, this make sense for me as a valid argument to not being purple. If we examine the picture, all the surrounds are blue so that planet might be part of the background not a planet to be considered, in wich case it would be a big miss by the artist. But this sound reasonable.
I guess we have to wait and see what the card is.
Edit: Looking at the picture resized i realized that the ringed planet is not blue - It is colorless - The blue surrounding is what makes it seem blue as some of the fog is in front of the planet and the fog has that blue color.
i dont even really think its a miss by the artist, card sized the background planet will barely be visible and i think they made the planet purple instead of blue to distinguish it from the blue back round
If this is truly prophetic then I'm more worried about green getting nerfed than a new color getting introduced. I mean the green planet is getting destroyed!
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sorry if this has already been said i didnt read the whole 12 pages, but the planet you have labeled as "blue" is very small and feels distant, so im pretty sure its meant to be part of the background of the picture. theres only five planets in the foreground of the picture, the "purple" one is blue
edit:also if that saturnish one was the blue one the hexagon would not be shaped right, if you ignore it as background (which i think was the artists intention) then the hexagon will be shaped right
I believe he is correct in his analysis. The only reason our eyes are drawn to the ringed planet is because you labeled it, so we have all been tainted by your original picture. The proper hexagon is complete once we get rid of the ringed planet.
What I have also noticed is that the "purple" planet is blue on the southeastern portion. So the purple coloring may be due to shading?
Also, where did this art come from?
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Ok guys Wizards arent a bunch of idiots... The blue planet IS the blue planet. You really think its justt supposed to be in the background? So only 1 planet is in the background and it just so happens they made it one of the 5 main colors? Then decided to replace the main planet with a Purple one that means Blue, knowing Purple is the 6th color and they already have a Blue planet in the picture? Ummm no that doesnt make sense. Wizards knows people think of purple as the 6th color and its not a coicdence that there are 6 planets and one of each color. They dont just have random things in their art.
They made this on purpose to get people talking and exicted. Im not saying that purple is coming as i think its most likely Wizards teasing but you have to be crazy to honestly think the Purple planet is just supposed to be Blue and and the Blue planet is just part of the background. If it was just part of the background Wizards would have switched the main planet to Blue and colored the background one something else so they dont confuse people... even tho its odd to have one background planet anyway.
Wizards is very deliberate with what they print and making this means they wanted people to see the 6th color/planet in this. Its also rising which makes it look like its joining the others.
My opinion is that while we wont get Purple in SoM we will get alot more teases of it. Alot of pictures like this and maybe even some flavor texts mentioning a new power/mana.
A question to those of you who keep calling the 6th land "City" what happens if we ever go back to Ravnica, the entire plane is a city. "City isn't a type of land it's what we do on land. I would lean more towards something like "void".
Speaking of Ravnica
Right now in Magic we have 5 colors which create 10 unique 2 color combination's. In Ravnica we saw an example of how all 10 can receive there own identity.
Adding only 1 color to magic increases the number to 15 (don't believe me try it for yourself). Gold cards would become a lot more complicated.
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It makes no sense that magic gets a new color. That means it will have 15 years of history lost compared to the original 5 colors. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME! WIZARDS WOULD NEVER DO THIS. It's so stupid and why would you want another color anyway? PLEASE TELL ME WHY!?
I can't believe all the hate. It only ADD'S to the game. Like walkers, new card frames, new rarities, new lingo. A new color just makes the game BETTER. Sure it would change magic irrevocably, but come on.
No, it would remove something from the game.
It would remove the integrity and symmetry that makes each color a whole and rational thing called a philosophy.
If you divide what is there in five into six, you will not succeed in making all six of those things the same as philosophies. Some, or all, of them, will be insane (contradictory) doctrines, or simply fail to look enough like a credo to be called that at all. They'll be fragmented and arbitrary. They'll cease to be about people and the desires that drive fantasy. They'll be tasteless masses that won't hold an audience for one year.
And a whole class of Vorthos or Johnny appreciators of the game simply won't be able to appreciate it anymore.
The whole point is the flavor. The colors overlap as it is. This takes a little from everything but gives it an industrial technological theme. Green enhances land through magic, red burns through fire and lightning, purple will do both through progress.
The colors overlap as it is. Yes.
Are you thinking of adding purple, and having the overall overlap increase, or are you thinking of 'squeezing out' the overlap, and making the overlap decrease?
Either way, I'll destroy the idea.
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A question to those of you who keep calling the 6th land "City" what happens if we ever go back to Ravnica, the entire plane is a city. "City isn't a type of land it's what we do on land. I would lean more towards something like "void".
Purple is between Blue and Black - enemy of Green. Its basic land is City.
That's from from here. It was discussing purple as it was going to be in Planar Chaos, which was after Ravnica block already existed. That's why City is the correct word to use when referring to Purple. The color is already ludicrously hypothetical so we should take concrete things about it when we can.
As far as multicolor, gold cards are easy. You just slap a Red mechanic with a Purple mechanic and you have a gold card. Hybrids are the problem. MaRo has said, "hybrid design space is limited." The problem is that a hybrid card requires overlap in the color pie, which is already scarce. Wizards also said that they couldn't even find enough of the color pie to establish Purple as a color. To establish a sixth color Wizards would have to give Purple exclusive access to some parts of the color pie (just as every other color has) but do it such that all fifteen (up from ten) color combinations have hybrid design space.
It would remove the integrity and symmetry that makes each color a whole and rational thing called a philosophy.
If you divide what is there in five into six, you will not succeed in making all six of those things the same as philosophies. Some, or all, of them, will be insane (contradictory) doctrines, or simply fail to look enough like a credo to be called that at all. They'll be fragmented and arbitrary. They'll cease to be about people and the desires that drive fantasy. They'll be tasteless masses that won't hold an audience for one year.
And a whole class of Vorthos or Johnny appreciators of the game simply won't be able to appreciate it anymore.
The colors overlap as it is. Yes.
Are you thinking of adding purple, and having the overall overlap increase, or are you thinking of 'squeezing out' the overlap, and making the overlap decrease?
Either way, I'll destroy the idea.
You cant 'destroy' the idea just cause youre scared of change and to close minded to think for yourself.
You obviously are cause you seem to think there are only 5 philosophies to live by. Yes each color has its own but i cant imagine how unoriginal your mind has to be to think thats it and there is nothing possibly outside of those 5.
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"City" isn't a type of land it's what we do on land.
Yes I know that in the PC article Purple lands were City but there are problems with that and we don't know how far the process got.
If you define Purple as "Industrial City" then every plane we go to from there on would have to have a group/clan that is industrial.
Desert has been suggested and is at least a type of land
Things like cave,cliff, mesa overlap with mountian.
Anything with water would overlap Island
Find a type of land that doesn't overlap and you would be getting somewhere.
Continuing my other point with 6 colors we go from 10 to 15 Guilds (2color) and from 10 Shards to 20 (3 color) if Wizards would do another cycle of creatures that are missing one color it would go from 4 to 6 creatures (5color) and what happens to the very idea of WUBRG. Adding just one color makes Magic A LOT more complicated without even talking about mecanics.
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D'oh... can't believe I didn't check for "desert." Bah. Still, I think purple would have to be the color of majesty/mysticism, which is really the only philosophical avenue left for another color. Meh.
Oh, and while we're on the subject, Black is already a schizophrenic color. Its themes of independence and parasitism are totally contradictory.
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There are two types of people in this world: people who think that countermagic is the most powerful effect in the game and people who aren't morons.
My color is Purple. I value diversity, smashed color pies and obsolete Inquest articles. At my best, I can redefine MTG in a new and wonderful way. At my worst, I can end up as an Unhinged joke. My symbol is not defined. My enemies are 5 old and bureaucratic angry colors.
Consider that it borrows from all colors. IT is the natural progression that defines their philosophy . Sacrifice everything for the need to progress. In short America is purple . lol lol
Personally I think purple is unlikely so soon, but I could see it being added temporarily in another sort of alternate-reality set. The OP makes some interesting points, I completely disagree with those that are suggesting the purple planet is actually blue, as blue is almost never shown as that color. The clearly blue planet wouldn't have been placed so prominently if it was intended to just be some background object.
So in other words it wouldn't have it's own mechanical identity?
Do you mean as in gameplay mechanics? If so i see no reason why they wouldnt give it something of its own. They make a few new mechanics every block, dont see any reason to think they couldnt save a few for purple.
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why is everyone freaking out that this would be come a permeant 6th color? seriously. it could be a block thing. time spiral didnt ruin the game irreversibly and that messed with the color wheel more then a sixth color could.
why is everyone freaking out that this would be come a permeant 6th color? seriously. it could be a block thing. time spiral didnt ruin the game irreversibly and that messed with the color wheel more then a sixth color could.
Cause it's fun to speculate on something that is older than all the other novels (Arena 1994 The origin of the color Purple, and is the first MTG Novel published, yes it's older then Yawgmoth HA!)
why is everyone freaking out that this would be come a permeant 6th color? seriously. it could be a block thing. time spiral didnt ruin the game irreversibly and that messed with the color wheel more then a sixth color could.
Thats how i picture it when they do it. Notice i said when and not if, cause lets face it sooner or later theyre gonna need a cash grab and a new color would pretty much guarantee a huge sell out. Nothing permanent just something to fit the block.
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Regarding Maro's use of the wedding poem, I think there may be something there to support this speculation of a sixth color.
There is one more line that Maro either is not aware of or chose to omit:
The traditional saying is:
Something old, something new Something borrowed, something blue And a silver sixpence in her shoe.
I can't say one way or another, but I would wager that Maro is aware of that last part. Considering it references both a color (silver) and a number (six), his use of the wedding poem may be one big clue. Or maybe it's just a red herring.
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Snow isn't a color of mana, it's a type.
Colorless isn't a color, it's the lack thereof.
These two aren't going to become the "sixth" color. THe sixth color will be a sixth color.
That's my point i'm doubting on the 6th color. Its such a huge change for Magic not just a new type of type like Planeswalkers. Remember when they came out? Besides Future sight would have been the block to even hint at the Idea of a new color.
That's my point i'm doubting on the 6th color. Its such a huge change for Magic not just a new type of type like Planeswalkers. Remember when they came out? Besides Future sight would have been the block to even hint at the Idea of a new color.
No, it wouldn't. The problem is that if you write a card with...
Protection from Purple.
Purple becomes an offical color (see Contraptions). You can't write "Purple creatures get +1/+1." without the comp. rulebook adding purple as a color. So now you'd be able to produce purple mana with birds, and beef up your sunburst cards by 1 extra.
THere's a reason why they didn't do a "sixth color" in future sight, and that's because of the nature of the comp. rulebook.
I'm going on record right now and stating that before the end of 2012 we will see foil dual lands in booster packs (The real, Alpha dual lands). You can quote me on that.
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but hey! this is how I view it. My friends and I always joke about purple mana. we have infact taken the joke so are as use the "create one color of mana of your choice" clause to say purple to pump into colorless spells (once got yelled at by a judge for it too) I'd be ok for it as a block thing, much like with the snow lands. If its not, ok, not a big deal. I've been ok with the game so far through its ups and downs, and the game always proves itself so I trust it.
And to everyone saying "It wont happen" people who make cards have artistic license and can use it anytime they want, with the ok of their boss. to give a really bad geeky example superman died. so its possible for them to do anything.
i dont even really think its a miss by the artist, card sized the background planet will barely be visible and i think they made the planet purple instead of blue to distinguish it from the blue back round
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Snow isn't a color of mana, it's a type.
Colorless isn't a color, it's the lack thereof.
These two aren't going to become the "sixth" color. THe sixth color will be a sixth color.
I believe he is correct in his analysis. The only reason our eyes are drawn to the ringed planet is because you labeled it, so we have all been tainted by your original picture. The proper hexagon is complete once we get rid of the ringed planet.
What I have also noticed is that the "purple" planet is blue on the southeastern portion. So the purple coloring may be due to shading?
Also, where did this art come from?
They made this on purpose to get people talking and exicted. Im not saying that purple is coming as i think its most likely Wizards teasing but you have to be crazy to honestly think the Purple planet is just supposed to be Blue and and the Blue planet is just part of the background. If it was just part of the background Wizards would have switched the main planet to Blue and colored the background one something else so they dont confuse people... even tho its odd to have one background planet anyway.
Wizards is very deliberate with what they print and making this means they wanted people to see the 6th color/planet in this. Its also rising which makes it look like its joining the others.
My opinion is that while we wont get Purple in SoM we will get alot more teases of it. Alot of pictures like this and maybe even some flavor texts mentioning a new power/mana.
Speaking of Ravnica
Right now in Magic we have 5 colors which create 10 unique 2 color combination's. In Ravnica we saw an example of how all 10 can receive there own identity.
Adding only 1 color to magic increases the number to 15 (don't believe me try it for yourself). Gold cards would become a lot more complicated.
There's no proof she's being chased
by ninja squirrels either. - Dr. Wilson
No, it would remove something from the game.
It would remove the integrity and symmetry that makes each color a whole and rational thing called a philosophy.
If you divide what is there in five into six, you will not succeed in making all six of those things the same as philosophies. Some, or all, of them, will be insane (contradictory) doctrines, or simply fail to look enough like a credo to be called that at all. They'll be fragmented and arbitrary. They'll cease to be about people and the desires that drive fantasy. They'll be tasteless masses that won't hold an audience for one year.
And a whole class of Vorthos or Johnny appreciators of the game simply won't be able to appreciate it anymore.
The colors overlap as it is. Yes.
Are you thinking of adding purple, and having the overall overlap increase, or are you thinking of 'squeezing out' the overlap, and making the overlap decrease?
Either way, I'll destroy the idea.
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That's from from here. It was discussing purple as it was going to be in Planar Chaos, which was after Ravnica block already existed. That's why City is the correct word to use when referring to Purple. The color is already ludicrously hypothetical so we should take concrete things about it when we can.
As far as multicolor, gold cards are easy. You just slap a Red mechanic with a Purple mechanic and you have a gold card. Hybrids are the problem. MaRo has said, "hybrid design space is limited." The problem is that a hybrid card requires overlap in the color pie, which is already scarce. Wizards also said that they couldn't even find enough of the color pie to establish Purple as a color. To establish a sixth color Wizards would have to give Purple exclusive access to some parts of the color pie (just as every other color has) but do it such that all fifteen (up from ten) color combinations have hybrid design space.
You cant 'destroy' the idea just cause youre scared of change and to close minded to think for yourself.
You obviously are cause you seem to think there are only 5 philosophies to live by. Yes each color has its own but i cant imagine how unoriginal your mind has to be to think thats it and there is nothing possibly outside of those 5.
Let me highlight the important part
Yes I know that in the PC article Purple lands were City but there are problems with that and we don't know how far the process got.
If you define Purple as "Industrial City" then every plane we go to from there on would have to have a group/clan that is industrial.
Desert has been suggested and is at least a type of land
Things like cave,cliff, mesa overlap with mountian.
Anything with water would overlap Island
Find a type of land that doesn't overlap and you would be getting somewhere.
Continuing my other point with 6 colors we go from 10 to 15 Guilds (2color) and from 10 Shards to 20 (3 color) if Wizards would do another cycle of creatures that are missing one color it would go from 4 to 6 creatures (5color) and what happens to the very idea of WUBRG. Adding just one color makes Magic A LOT more complicated without even talking about mecanics.
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by ninja squirrels either. - Dr. Wilson
Oh, and while we're on the subject, Black is already a schizophrenic color. Its themes of independence and parasitism are totally contradictory.
Like swamps?
edit to add some more thoughts:
Personally I think purple is unlikely so soon, but I could see it being added temporarily in another sort of alternate-reality set. The OP makes some interesting points, I completely disagree with those that are suggesting the purple planet is actually blue, as blue is almost never shown as that color. The clearly blue planet wouldn't have been placed so prominently if it was intended to just be some background object.
Do you mean as in gameplay mechanics? If so i see no reason why they wouldnt give it something of its own. They make a few new mechanics every block, dont see any reason to think they couldnt save a few for purple.
Cause it's fun to speculate on something that is older than all the other novels (Arena 1994 The origin of the color Purple, and is the first MTG Novel published, yes it's older then Yawgmoth HA!)
Thats how i picture it when they do it. Notice i said when and not if, cause lets face it sooner or later theyre gonna need a cash grab and a new color would pretty much guarantee a huge sell out. Nothing permanent just something to fit the block.
There is one more line that Maro either is not aware of or chose to omit:
The traditional saying is:
Something old, something new
Something borrowed, something blue
And a silver sixpence in her shoe.
I can't say one way or another, but I would wager that Maro is aware of that last part. Considering it references both a color (silver) and a number (six), his use of the wedding poem may be one big clue. Or maybe it's just a red herring.
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That's my point i'm doubting on the 6th color. Its such a huge change for Magic not just a new type of type like Planeswalkers. Remember when they came out? Besides Future sight would have been the block to even hint at the Idea of a new color.
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No, it wouldn't. The problem is that if you write a card with...
Protection from Purple.
Purple becomes an offical color (see Contraptions). You can't write "Purple creatures get +1/+1." without the comp. rulebook adding purple as a color. So now you'd be able to produce purple mana with birds, and beef up your sunburst cards by 1 extra.
THere's a reason why they didn't do a "sixth color" in future sight, and that's because of the nature of the comp. rulebook.
if you read the articles linked in the first post, i think the obvious conclusion is more timeshifted cards, not a 6th color.