I think that there are a few things that are safe to spectulate on.
1: For each color, there is an Eldrazi creature that represents that color. For example, Kozilek is the U one.
2: Either the entire set is colorless a la Ghostfire, or colorless, non-artifact cards come before normal ones.
3: The frame...has art in it? Wow, just wow. I like this!
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this is interesting, i think the think i like most is the fact that the frame is clear and the art is on the entire card, also that eye of ugin isnt legendary
1. There is no evidence to support this. We've only seen one guy, and this is the sixth card in the set. I think the "Draw four cards" is just an attempt to make people want to pay the thing's mana cost as opposed to casting Summoner's Trap or something. (Convenient that Summoner's Trap was their Decklist of the Day)
2. The card with no name out of unhinged was the first card in blue because it had no name, and that goes first alphabetically. Cards are sorted by color, so I could see colorless going first in that order. I doubt they're going to give us an entirely colorless set. It would wreak havoc on limited and just be terrible to play with, especially as the set is to be drafted on its own.
3. Colorless frame means no color to cover up art. I approve.
@ Dirka_dirka: Eye of Ugin IS legendary.
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A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Likely that they do not necessarily align with each of the 5 colors.
(Draw 4 cards attached to a creature is more green then blue anyways)
Great marketing... now all magic players start saving money now.
As for the Eye of Ugin... we all know this is going to happen...
In anticipation, in local stores, those lands are up to 4.00 each even before this preview.
bug: look at the 3rd ability again. It isn't a DSC ability, it's a Gaea's Blessing ability.
I didn't say anything about the third ability. I understand you can use instant speed reanimation on it. I just said that I like that they're giving you incentive to PAY for it as opposed to cheat it into play.
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A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
I don't understand the sudden glee for Eye of Ugin. Say you play one in your deck (since it's legendary, sure you can play 2 but never more than that). Even if you draw it and play it it takes up a land drop and doesn't tap for mana, essentially making this guy cost 9 instead of 10.
Woo-yay.
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Aaaaawesome card. This frame is incredibly beautiful. And the collector's number makes me wonder what's up here. Ghostfire surely wasn't 1/XXX in Future Sight, was it? But it had red mana symbol in it's casting cost, that's true. Normally, I would put colorless after colors but for marketing purposes it maybe the other way around.
No precedent for colorless cards existed in Future Sight. They've probably come up with one since then.
you did forget eye also tutors for this guy when you had the mana to play it... making it much better
I still think the hype around Eye of Ugin makes no sense. Like Dobber says, it's a max 2 of per deck due to its legendary status. It is awful early and mid game, since it probably has no use (the Eldrazi are rumored to cost a lot of mana). The tutor ability is very expensive, but is timed such that it can be activated the turn before you can cast Kozilek (will all Eldrazi be 10?).
My gut feeling is that Eye of Ugin will be similar to Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper: a minor boost to a specific kind of spells, which in the end is not worth playing over a normal land.
I had this conversation somewhere else but I want to ask you guys: Any chance to see Marit Lage (Dark Depths) again? I mean it sure looks like an Eldrazi. He is huge and has tentacles. And he is flying and indestructible. Eldrazi Monument gives creatures flying and indesctructability. Just a coincidence?
No. Marit Lage was a completely different thing in this case, most likely some sort of Kraken. Tentacles don't make an eldrazi, otherwise Lorthos would be one.
I still think the hype around Eye of Ugin makes no sense. Like Dobber says, it's a max 2 of per deck due to its legendary status. It is awful early and mid game, since it probably has no use (the Eldrazi are rumored to cost a lot of mana). The tutor ability is very expensive, but is timed such that it can be activated the turn before you can cast Kozilek (will all Eldrazi be 10?).
My gut feeling is that Eye of Ugin will be similar to Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper: a minor boost to a specific kind of spells, which in the end is not worth playing over a normal land.
True.
Unless we see Eldrazi with cost 7 or 8, Eye of ugin will be unplayable forever.
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No precedent for colorless cards existed in Future Sight. They've probably come up with one since then.
Ghostfire has red in its casting cost.
That is, and has been, the precedent.
Numbering has had to do with the casting cost of cards, not the color of the card (as defined by the rules text). Transguild Courier is numbered as an artifact, not a WUBRG gold card, for example.
WoTC is shaking things up to make SURE people know these are NOT artifacts by putting them in front, numerically, of everything else.
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I am interested in the keyword Annihilator and the 'when you cast' clause.
All these screams 'AWESOME!' to me.
And this does bring the question, how are some of the, say, lesser Eldrazi gonna work? And will there be non-legendary Eldrazi good enough to make Eldrazi tribal decks without the need for changelings?
No. Marit Lage was a completely different thing in this case, most likely some sort of Kraken. Tentacles don't make an eldrazi, otherwise Lorthos would be one.
Except no one has made the case that tentacles=eldrazi. You're supposed to cite Darksteel Gargoyle for the complete counterpoint.:rolleyes:
From the sample chapter the Eldrazi depicted certainly played the parasite angle. Maybe more "Colourless Out of Space" than "Old Ones," but I'm very interested to hear the full back story on them.
I really like the look of the colorless frame, they really stand out and look alien. I hope one of the titans is the pre-release promo.
My "speculation" is that this guy is probably the top of the curve as far as Eldrazi go. I'd expect to see several more (maybe 5-6, not all 15 Mythic spots), with costs starting at about :7mana:. Probably none cheaper than that.
Check that - I guess if he's #6 and these come before everything else, that's a decent reason to believe they could fill up all the Mythic slots.
The thing to consider about eye of ugin and the titans is how the brood will function. It sounds like the brood will function as some sort of colorless blood pets, sacrificing themselves to give you the mana to drop the titans. If this is the case the ability to tutor may be far more useful than at first glance as mana may not end up being as big a barrier as it now seems.
It's circumstantial evidence, but I think this (awesome) new colorless frame gives a boost to the "artifact mana" speculation that some people have batted around with regards to Mirrodin 2.
1. The new colorless "frame" is a better visual tool hands down than the old artifact frame. No color = no frame... bigger art, a clear visual identity, what a great idea!
2. But... the old artifact frame still exists, and artifacts (for now) are still colorless. This is inconsistent with the purposes of the new colorless frame.
3. Easy solution: create a special kind of mana that is used for artifacts only. Whether this is an official "sixth color" (grey/silver) or just a new type (like snow) doesn't matter all that much.
I think that there are a few things that are safe to spectulate on.
1: For each color, there is an Eldrazi creature that represents that color. For example, Kozilek is the U one.
2: Either the entire set is colorless a la Ghostfire, or colorless, non-artifact cards come before normal ones.
3: The frame...has art in it? Wow, just wow. I like this!
2. The card with no name out of unhinged was the first card in blue because it had no name, and that goes first alphabetically. Cards are sorted by color, so I could see colorless going first in that order. I doubt they're going to give us an entirely colorless set. It would wreak havoc on limited and just be terrible to play with, especially as the set is to be drafted on its own.
3. Colorless frame means no color to cover up art. I approve.
@ Dirka_dirka: Eye of Ugin IS legendary.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Dude where? Get me in on that action!
bug: look at the 3rd ability again. It isn't a DSC ability, it's a Gaea's Blessing ability.
(Draw 4 cards attached to a creature is more green then blue anyways)
Great marketing... now all magic players start saving money now.
As for the Eye of Ugin... we all know this is going to happen...
In anticipation, in local stores, those lands are up to 4.00 each even before this preview.
I didn't say anything about the third ability. I understand you can use instant speed reanimation on it. I just said that I like that they're giving you incentive to PAY for it as opposed to cheat it into play.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
..Do I need to comment on the art or frame?
Woo-yay.
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No precedent for colorless cards existed in Future Sight. They've probably come up with one since then.
I still think the hype around Eye of Ugin makes no sense. Like Dobber says, it's a max 2 of per deck due to its legendary status. It is awful early and mid game, since it probably has no use (the Eldrazi are rumored to cost a lot of mana). The tutor ability is very expensive, but is timed such that it can be activated the turn before you can cast Kozilek (will all Eldrazi be 10?).
My gut feeling is that Eye of Ugin will be similar to Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper: a minor boost to a specific kind of spells, which in the end is not worth playing over a normal land.
I'm so building Eldrazi tribal (already did, but it's sad, because it has changelings and Ultimi)
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No. Marit Lage was a completely different thing in this case, most likely some sort of Kraken. Tentacles don't make an eldrazi, otherwise Lorthos would be one.
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Unless we see Eldrazi with cost 7 or 8, Eye of ugin will be unplayable forever.
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Ghostfire has red in its casting cost.
That is, and has been, the precedent.
Numbering has had to do with the casting cost of cards, not the color of the card (as defined by the rules text). Transguild Courier is numbered as an artifact, not a WUBRG gold card, for example.
WoTC is shaking things up to make SURE people know these are NOT artifacts by putting them in front, numerically, of everything else.
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All these screams 'AWESOME!' to me.
And this does bring the question, how are some of the, say, lesser Eldrazi gonna work? And will there be non-legendary Eldrazi good enough to make Eldrazi tribal decks without the need for changelings?
All interesting questions.
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this is ghost fire flavour. i guess we are going to have a colourless set or something around that
Except no one has made the case that tentacles=eldrazi. You're supposed to cite Darksteel Gargoyle for the complete counterpoint.:rolleyes:
From the sample chapter the Eldrazi depicted certainly played the parasite angle. Maybe more "Colourless Out of Space" than "Old Ones," but I'm very interested to hear the full back story on them.
I really like the look of the colorless frame, they really stand out and look alien. I hope one of the titans is the pre-release promo.
Check that - I guess if he's #6 and these come before everything else, that's a decent reason to believe they could fill up all the Mythic slots.
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1. The new colorless "frame" is a better visual tool hands down than the old artifact frame. No color = no frame... bigger art, a clear visual identity, what a great idea!
2. But... the old artifact frame still exists, and artifacts (for now) are still colorless. This is inconsistent with the purposes of the new colorless frame.
3. Easy solution: create a special kind of mana that is used for artifacts only. Whether this is an official "sixth color" (grey/silver) or just a new type (like snow) doesn't matter all that much.
Possible? Likely?