What's the connection to the text you posted today? Because it has "Eye [illegible]" in it?
The fact that "Eye" is capitalized seems to confirm that the Eye is, indeed, on Zendikar, as Chandra's map seems to imply. On top of that, the use of the word fire seems very significant, given that the only card thus far to mention the Eye in the past was Ghostfire, and the use of sheer, which can mean transparent / translucent, can be seen as a hint towards colorless.
So there are two clues now that indicate Ghostfire may be in ROE. That's not bad. I wouldn't say it's a done deal, but certainly worth keeping in mind.
That said, Ghostfire is a pretty bad card, so not many people are likely to care either way. But if it provides a clue as to the set's subthemes, that's cool
The Purifying Fire novel described the treasure map (to the Eye) as "a whole new way of using fire magic". That points strongly at the colourless Ghostfire too.
A few things. I read someone in here say that would fit the [censored] without [censored]. I'm going to try to nip this one in the ass before we see more of the same. That quote was referring to kicker, so if you're going to talk, be informed.
Second, I don't care what anyone has to say about Ghostfire, if they make a Doom Blade or similar card that's colorless, it will be played. Point being that it can be played in black decks, and it kills Great Sable Stag. Blue and black could use Ghostfire-esque cards right now.
I have to ask, why is everyone assuming that the eye of which the web comics are describing is the same eye as is described on Ghostfire? I didn't see anything in the Web Comics that hinted that it was the same Eye. Perhaps you are all reading something I missed.
Additionally where is the quote from the Opening Post coming from, cause it sure isn't coming from the Web Comics.
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I have to ask, why is everyone assuming that the eye of which the web comics are describing is the same eye as is described on Ghostfire? I didn't see anything in the Web Comics that hinted that it was the same Eye. Perhaps you are all reading something I missed.
1.) The second chapter of the web comic clearly shows the dragon tattoo from Ghostfire carved on the Zendikar cave's wall. Sarkhan looks at it, and clearly discusses another dragon lord other than Bolas.
2.) The product description for the Zendikar block novel clearly states that it is the Eye of Ugin:
The other two Planeswalkers won't be returning, as Sorin is said to be stunned that the other two have not already returned to Zendikar, hinting that they may be deceased or at least missing in action.
A: You don't know if they will return or not.
B: Ob Nixilis might be one, but since he lost his spark he isn't a planewalker.
A: All evidence seems to point to no, as with Jace and Sarkhan getting cards, an additional two would be a glut for a single block, and the story is pointing us towards Sorin being the only one of the three to return.
B: Ob Nixilis is certainly not one of them. He's on Zendikar, so Sorin would sense his presence, and on top of that, he seems to be evil, very much unlike Sorin.
How would Sorin sence him if he isn't a planewalker anymore?
Edit: and wtf is up with this Jace ********? he is getting another print.... oh wow...
Edit: oh what if the 2 Planewalkers that helped Sorin, aren't "new"? they might be some of the guys we already know?
We don't know for sure that Jace is getting another print. It's probably either Jace or Sarkhan. And it's not going to be any of the guys we already know. There's a very small chance that one of them could be Garruk, but that's extremely doubtful. I'm guessing one of them was Nissa, considering she's a Zendikar native, and there's a picture that's been released showing her and Sorin kicking Eldrazi ass.
What if one of the original walkers that locked up the Eldrazi was Bolas... and is either unable or not wanting to go to Zendikar because Sorin will sense him. With the Eldrazi maybe it doesn't matter if you are good or bad. Sometimes the good guys have to work with the bad guys to defeat a common enemy.
We can actually feel somewhat confident that they don't, because the block novel description (and now the promo image for RotE) make a pretty strong point about how Sorin has to work together with Nissa and only Nissa to solve the problem.
It's possible we might see cards show up in RotE that represent them showing up at the very end of the story, but I'd bet against it. I'd guess it's more likely we'll just "find out" that they're two other pre-Mending planeswalkers who we already know about from older storylines.
What if one of the original walkers that locked up the Eldrazi was Bolas...
The description of the three planeswalkers working together to imprison the Eldrazi, and then agreeing to meet up again if their imprisonment was ever threatened, doesn't at all fit with Bolas' personality.
So what about Emeria/Kamsa and Cosi then? Where do those gods fall into the speculation?
The only one of that list that I can find is Emeria. Emeria seems to be a protector and native god of Zendikar. The Eldrazi seem to be destroyers that were imprisoned on Zendikar. Reading the Planeswalker Guide it talks about the "Prison of Omnath" and a "binding circle" that kills anyone who gets near it, The "Crown of Talib" "their god of earth" that crown being a very active volcanic mountain range, and the Crypt of Agadeem with the cryptlock that many people don't seem to be able to get past.
I will admit that Talib is a bit of a hard fit, but the other two sound like characters that nobody would want running around unchecked.
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These are obviously describing the 3 "old ones" from that promo art.
Actually, kind sir, I happen to disagree with you. I believe it describes the 3 planeswalkers whom sealed away the Eldrazi. I bet that we have Sorin this set, the 2nd in WWK, and the 3rd in RotE.
The Purifying Fire novel described the treasure map (to the Eye) as "a whole new way of using fire magic". That points strongly at the colourless Ghostfire too.
Actually, kind sir, I happen to disagree with you. I believe it describes the 3 planeswalkers whom sealed away the Eldrazi. I bet that we have Sorin this set, the 2nd in WWK, and the 3rd in RotE.
Wizard's has pretty much stated that this won't be happening, since Sorin is supposed to be surprised that the other two pw's haven't shown up yet, as someone else mentioned (forget who).
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otherwise, flavor in the futureshifted cards does too much merit. Just like how the original Graven Chrains had flavor text refering to the Sengir.
But here's the difference. In that version of Cairns, the flavor text referenced something that wasn't in Shadowmoor, but it was in Shadowmoor. This is referencing something that IS on Zendikar. If a flavor text on a futureshifted card that had NOTHING to do with Shadowmoor was in Shadowmoor, isn't it very likely that flavor text on a futureshifted card that has something to do with Zendikar will be in ZEN block?
Cards with the post 8th Edition, color shifted and future shifted templates as well as the timeshifted and Coldsnap reprint ones tastes a little sweeter. Any gold cards with the old faces are a little saltier. European foreign (except Russian) cards with the mentioned templates above are not as sweet as their English counterparts and has a wierd after taste. All taste tests were done from fresh packs and all cards tasted are not foil cards. I have yet to taste Asian and Russian cards.
Actually, kind sir, I happen to disagree with you. I believe it describes the 3 planeswalkers whom sealed away the Eldrazi.
Yup, "the Three" is unquestionably the three planeswalkers, but as I stated earlier we know the storyline revolves around the other two not returning so I think the chances are low (not zero, but low) that we'll see them as cards this block.
(I think the most likely option is that they're named characters from pre-Mending storylines, actually.)
If a flavor text on a futureshifted card that had NOTHING to do with Shadowmoor was in Shadowmoor, isn't it very likely that flavor text on a futureshifted card that has something to do with Zendikar will be in ZEN block?
I think it's more likely from what we've seen in the past that the mechanics and flavor text on most futureshifted cards are separate; mechanics and cards get reprinted with different flavor (see Phosphorescent Feast and Graven Cairns) while cards with matching flavor often get turn out to have a non-fitting mechanic (see the Goldmeadow spellshaper.)
Yup, "the Three" is unquestionably the three planeswalkers, but as I stated earlier we know the storyline revolves around the other two not returning so I think the chances are low (not zero, but low) that we'll see them as cards this block.
It's very questionable that "The Three" refers to planeswalkers who are not returning. That doesn't make for a very good prophesy.
I can see speculating that the "The Three" are Sorin, Nissa, and Jace. But the quote seems rather ominous, so it could just as well be that whoever they are, they want the Eldrazi to escape.
But here's the difference. In that version of Cairns, the flavor text referenced something that wasn't in Shadowmoor, but it was in Shadowmoor. This is referencing something that IS on Zendikar. If a flavor text on a futureshifted card that had NOTHING to do with Shadowmoor was in Shadowmoor, isn't it very likely that flavor text on a futureshifted card that has something to do with Zendikar will be in ZEN block?
May I point out Nacatl War-Pride? Despite fitting the flavor and NAME in Alara, it wasn't printed. Just because the futureshifted card shows the future flavor, it doesn't mean the card will come back at all.
(Just playing Devil's Advocate here.)
The only one of that list that I can find is Emeria. Emeria seems to be a protector and native god of Zendikar. The Eldrazi seem to be destroyers that were imprisoned on Zendikar. Reading the Planeswalker Guide it talks about the "Prison of Omnath" and a "binding circle" that kills anyone who gets near it, The "Crown of Talib" "their god of earth" that crown being a very active volcanic mountain range, and the Crypt of Agadeem with the cryptlock that many people don't seem to be able to get past.
I will admit that Talib is a bit of a hard fit, but the other two sound like characters that nobody would want running around unchecked.
Yes, I know, but that was the point I was trying to illustrate. Cosi, Emeria/Kamsa, and Ula are all also gods. Kamsa is the Kor name for Emeria.
We have a LOT of gods involved in Zendikar, and for once, they may not be actual characters but instead a more realistic take on the pantheistic nature of deities as seen in many cultures all over the world.
In other words, THEY MAY BE MADE UP. Alternatively, they have nothing to DO with the story and are there mostly as flavor.
Ula and Cosi are both covered here btw:
"We alone of the races can sense the Roil as it moves across the land. Only merfolk can lull this wild earth and make it still. But my kin mistake the source of such power. They put their faith in Em of the Air or Ula of the Sea. I know that my strength is from Cosi, The Trickster"
—Noyan Dar, Tazeem lullmage
Yes, I know, but that was the point I was trying to illustrate. Cosi, Emeria/Kamsa, and Ula are all also gods. Kamsa is the Kor name for Emeria.
We have a LOT of gods involved in Zendikar, and for once, they may not be actual characters but instead a more realistic take on the pantheistic nature of deities as seen in many cultures all over the world.
In other words, THEY MAY BE MADE UP. Alternatively, they have nothing to DO with the story and are there mostly as flavor.
Ula and Cosi are both covered here btw:
"We alone of the races can sense the Roil as it moves across the land. Only merfolk can lull this wild earth and make it still. But my kin mistake the source of such power. They put their faith in Em of the Air or Ula of the Sea. I know that my strength is from Cosi, The Trickster"
—Noyan Dar, Tazeem lullmage
source: the first Zendikar PW Guide.
The point I was making is that Omnath and Agadeem are both imprisoned on Zendikar. If an all powerful creature was imprisoned in our world don't you think that it would be referred to as a "god". They are not just hard to get too they are almost impossible to get to because of magical safeguards put in place to keep them there.
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Colourless spells that still need coloured mana to play?
Maybe, maybe not.
Or, more accurately, my guess is a little from column "a", and a little from column "b". I am guessing there will be ghostfire-esque colorless spells (spells with a colored cost, yet colorless), and TRUE colorless spells (non-artifact spells with only colorless mana in the casting cost).
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The fact that "Eye" is capitalized seems to confirm that the Eye is, indeed, on Zendikar, as Chandra's map seems to imply. On top of that, the use of the word fire seems very significant, given that the only card thus far to mention the Eye in the past was Ghostfire, and the use of sheer, which can mean transparent / translucent, can be seen as a hint towards colorless.
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That said, Ghostfire is a pretty bad card, so not many people are likely to care either way. But if it provides a clue as to the set's subthemes, that's cool
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Second, I don't care what anyone has to say about Ghostfire, if they make a Doom Blade or similar card that's colorless, it will be played. Point being that it can be played in black decks, and it kills Great Sable Stag. Blue and black could use Ghostfire-esque cards right now.
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Additionally where is the quote from the Opening Post coming from, cause it sure isn't coming from the Web Comics.
The OP also does a pretty good job of explaining where the quote comes from... todays article on the Wizards website.
1.) The second chapter of the web comic clearly shows the dragon tattoo from Ghostfire carved on the Zendikar cave's wall. Sarkhan looks at it, and clearly discusses another dragon lord other than Bolas.
2.) The product description for the Zendikar block novel clearly states that it is the Eye of Ugin:
http://www.amazon.com/Zendikar-Teeth-Akoum-Magic-Gathering/dp/0786954760/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252454850&sr=1-1
From a new article on Daily MTG, which discusses the history of Ondu.
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A: All evidence seems to point to no, as with Jace and Sarkhan getting cards, an additional two would be a glut for a single block, and the story is pointing us towards Sorin being the only one of the three to return.
B: Ob Nixilis is certainly not one of them. He's on Zendikar, so Sorin would sense his presence, and on top of that, he seems to be evil, very much unlike Sorin.
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We don't know for sure that Jace is getting another print. It's probably either Jace or Sarkhan. And it's not going to be any of the guys we already know. There's a very small chance that one of them could be Garruk, but that's extremely doubtful. I'm guessing one of them was Nissa, considering she's a Zendikar native, and there's a picture that's been released showing her and Sorin kicking Eldrazi ass.
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The kicker variant in WWK will be "Kicker without a kicked effect." - proven wrong Jan 2010 : 2 wrongs
Decks:
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:symb::symr: Rakdos, the Defiler - EDH
:symu::symb::symw: Sharuum the Hegemon - EDH
:symw::symu::symb: Zur the Enchanter - EDH
Just purely speculation.
We can actually feel somewhat confident that they don't, because the block novel description (and now the promo image for RotE) make a pretty strong point about how Sorin has to work together with Nissa and only Nissa to solve the problem.
It's possible we might see cards show up in RotE that represent them showing up at the very end of the story, but I'd bet against it. I'd guess it's more likely we'll just "find out" that they're two other pre-Mending planeswalkers who we already know about from older storylines.
The description of the three planeswalkers working together to imprison the Eldrazi, and then agreeing to meet up again if their imprisonment was ever threatened, doesn't at all fit with Bolas' personality.
The only one of that list that I can find is Emeria. Emeria seems to be a protector and native god of Zendikar. The Eldrazi seem to be destroyers that were imprisoned on Zendikar. Reading the Planeswalker Guide it talks about the "Prison of Omnath" and a "binding circle" that kills anyone who gets near it, The "Crown of Talib" "their god of earth" that crown being a very active volcanic mountain range, and the Crypt of Agadeem with the cryptlock that many people don't seem to be able to get past.
I will admit that Talib is a bit of a hard fit, but the other two sound like characters that nobody would want running around unchecked.
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Actually, kind sir, I happen to disagree with you. I believe it describes the 3 planeswalkers whom sealed away the Eldrazi. I bet that we have Sorin this set, the 2nd in WWK, and the 3rd in RotE.
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Wizard's has pretty much stated that this won't be happening, since Sorin is supposed to be surprised that the other two pw's haven't shown up yet, as someone else mentioned (forget who).
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But here's the difference. In that version of Cairns, the flavor text referenced something that wasn't in Shadowmoor, but it was in Shadowmoor. This is referencing something that IS on Zendikar. If a flavor text on a futureshifted card that had NOTHING to do with Shadowmoor was in Shadowmoor, isn't it very likely that flavor text on a futureshifted card that has something to do with Zendikar will be in ZEN block?
Yup, "the Three" is unquestionably the three planeswalkers, but as I stated earlier we know the storyline revolves around the other two not returning so I think the chances are low (not zero, but low) that we'll see them as cards this block.
(I think the most likely option is that they're named characters from pre-Mending storylines, actually.)
I think it's more likely from what we've seen in the past that the mechanics and flavor text on most futureshifted cards are separate; mechanics and cards get reprinted with different flavor (see Phosphorescent Feast and Graven Cairns) while cards with matching flavor often get turn out to have a non-fitting mechanic (see the Goldmeadow spellshaper.)
It's very questionable that "The Three" refers to planeswalkers who are not returning. That doesn't make for a very good prophesy.
I can see speculating that the "The Three" are Sorin, Nissa, and Jace. But the quote seems rather ominous, so it could just as well be that whoever they are, they want the Eldrazi to escape.
May I point out Nacatl War-Pride? Despite fitting the flavor and NAME in Alara, it wasn't printed. Just because the futureshifted card shows the future flavor, it doesn't mean the card will come back at all.
(Just playing Devil's Advocate here.)
Yes, I know, but that was the point I was trying to illustrate. Cosi, Emeria/Kamsa, and Ula are all also gods. Kamsa is the Kor name for Emeria.
We have a LOT of gods involved in Zendikar, and for once, they may not be actual characters but instead a more realistic take on the pantheistic nature of deities as seen in many cultures all over the world.
In other words, THEY MAY BE MADE UP. Alternatively, they have nothing to DO with the story and are there mostly as flavor.
Ula and Cosi are both covered here btw:
—Noyan Dar, Tazeem lullmage
The point I was making is that Omnath and Agadeem are both imprisoned on Zendikar. If an all powerful creature was imprisoned in our world don't you think that it would be referred to as a "god". They are not just hard to get too they are almost impossible to get to because of magical safeguards put in place to keep them there.
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Just to help out your argument a little:
In Journey to the Eye, Part 2
On page 2 (not including the tilte page)
In the first panel
There is a drawing of a dragon on the cavern wall.
(You can see it here)
That drawing is on the chest of the guy in Ghostfire.
(Except it's reversed for some reason.)
Hope that helps you out.
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Maybe, maybe not.
Or, more accurately, my guess is a little from column "a", and a little from column "b". I am guessing there will be ghostfire-esque colorless spells (spells with a colored cost, yet colorless), and TRUE colorless spells (non-artifact spells with only colorless mana in the casting cost).