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Yeah, I have been playing some Incarnation of Jund even Before M10 rotation (Back when we still had Finks, Ram-Gang and Sygg River Cutthroat), and I have to agree that neither of these cards really fits into Junds plans...
While Chain Reaction will probably find some uses, Jund isn't the deck that wants to wrath the board...
Ricochet Trap?? SB card for Jund at the MOST...but will most likely never see a spot in the 75 I take to a tournament. Maybe to have them in the SB for some testing, but I don't see it being that good short of an amazing new Counterspell or U card draw spell being printed in WWK.
Please, accept that Magic costs money to play, and drop it. A playset of Baneslayers>playset of duals. New Jace>Force of Will. Etc... Not to mention, Legacy is so wide open, that it's easy to build a deck that can perform reasonably well without very many "money staples" at all.
Both cards are not bad. A red wrath sounds really good, just not for Jund really. The trap i have to admit might be a little sketchy, but it's not horrible. I've seen some pretty "bad" cards do some pretty amazing things, so don't be so quick to judge.
Another OMG JUND thread. Neither one of those cards will be played, especially Chain Reaction. Unless the pilot loves blowing up his own guys, that is.
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when i started to play MtG there was lot of T1 decks and it was rly fun. this days there is one deck that is 50% of meta, few others T1 decks and sea of rough decks <_<
The Red Wrath isn't absolutely terrible, it could work very well in RDW, as a board refresh, say your opponent has a few fatties and a bunch of smaller guys, and you want to get rid of their army, attack with your ball lightning, ects, and when they decide not to risk losing a bigger guy in the face of that, you dop this if they dont block atall, they lose all their guys and you would have already done that to yourself, so you come out ahead.
but to be more honest, Comet Storm seems to be the more chosen card for Jund if they were going for more mass removal (outside of Pulse)
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A red wrath sounds good. Chain Reaction is not a red wrath. It is far more incidental than wrath. To kill a Baneslayer or a Sphinx, you need 4 other creatures on the board. How many of them will be yours if that situation even exists?
Ricochet Trap (and all misdirection-type spells) don't stop counterspells unless they have another valid target. So if you play Terminate, and they Negate that Terminate, you can't misdirect it, because there is only one legal target. I suppose it does work against Spreading Seas...but is that deck actually a contender?
Seems to me that Blightning is the most powerful targeted card in standard. Ricochet Trap aught to have been blue and triggered off a red spell.
The trap kinda reminds me of Guttural Response. They're both 1-cost anti-blue cards that got a lot of hate when they were first spoiled. I once had a friend who MBed a set of them, and they absolutely worsened his game against Elves. The last round, though, he did surprisingly well against Faeries only because of them.
I'm confidant that this will be a SB in most Jund decks, but unless Blue resurges to the majority of decks, it has no chance of MB.
Yeah the trap isnt like amazing, it's essentially, counter target counterspell that isn't Essence Scatter.
And that red card is NOT a ***, or even close. And think about it, did White Weenie ever play *** just in case the opponent played a fatty? Not that I can recall. Everyone mentions that it can kill Sphinx of JI but that would require having 4 creatures of your own in play, and then you're trading 5 for 1, and I don't think that's a very good deal.
Yeah the trap isnt like amazing, it's essentially, counter target counterspell that isn't Essence Scatter.
And that red card is NOT a ***, or even close. And think about it, did White Weenie ever play *** just in case the opponent played a fatty? Not that I can recall. Everyone mentions that it can kill Sphinx of JI but that would require having 4 creatures of your own in play, and then you're trading 5 for 1, and I don't think that's a very good deal.
Except Jund decks already play Fleshbag or the triple B vampire to deal with those, so there is no excuse really.
Jund will play neither card.
That said, we know 30 cards from the set.
New decks will come out, new cards will be released to deal with Jund, or possibly fracture the archetype into MUCH different versions.
"Red Wrath"? I see no "red wrath". I see a unreliable conditional board sweeper, miles away from Wrath.
I don't really think that card will be seeing play, and most likely not in Jund.
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Except Jund decks already play Fleshbag or the triple B vampire to deal with those, so there is no excuse really.
Jund will play neither card.
That said, we know 30 cards from the set.
New decks will come out, new cards will be released to deal with Jund, or possibly fracture the archetype into MUCH different versions.
Oh yeah I was arguing that for the people saying that red decks would play Chain Reaction
2.) Spreading Seas Enters the battlefield as an Enchantment, and then targets. Spreading Seas does not target as a spell. Ricochet is useless against it.
3.) Chain Reaction has Synergy with Wall of Denial. It's suicide in Jund.
2.) Spreading Seas Enters the battlefield as an Enchantment, and then targets. Spreading Seas does not target as a spell. Ricochet is useless against it.
Actually, it does work, target is chosen while casting...
did White Weenie ever play *** just in case the opponent played a fatty? Not that I can recall.
well, actually, yes. they did a looooong time ago.
but the game has changed a lot since then, and conventional wisdom says creature decks packing sweepers is generally a bad idea.
i def don't see jund playing chain reaction, and the trap is at the moment a veeeery sketchy maybe for the sb. but ofc, we'll just have to see how it all turns out post WW.
2.) Spreading Seas Enters the battlefield as an Enchantment, and then targets. Spreading Seas does not target as a spell. Ricochet is useless against it.
Spreading Seas is Aura, you target as you cast it not when it enters battlefield
Jund isn't insane, it's just "good". The question the OP asked, however, would be very relevant if it was talking about Faeries in Standard pre-Conflux.
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While Chain Reaction will probably find some uses, Jund isn't the deck that wants to wrath the board...
Ricochet Trap?? SB card for Jund at the MOST...but will most likely never see a spot in the 75 I take to a tournament. Maybe to have them in the SB for some testing, but I don't see it being that good short of an amazing new Counterspell or U card draw spell being printed in WWK.
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Both cards are not bad. A red wrath sounds really good, just not for Jund really. The trap i have to admit might be a little sketchy, but it's not horrible. I've seen some pretty "bad" cards do some pretty amazing things, so don't be so quick to judge.
when i started to play MtG there was lot of T1 decks and it was rly fun. this days there is one deck that is 50% of meta, few others T1 decks and sea of rough decks <_<
but to be more honest, Comet Storm seems to be the more chosen card for Jund if they were going for more mass removal (outside of Pulse)
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Ricochet Trap (and all misdirection-type spells) don't stop counterspells unless they have another valid target. So if you play Terminate, and they Negate that Terminate, you can't misdirect it, because there is only one legal target. I suppose it does work against Spreading Seas...but is that deck actually a contender?
Seems to me that Blightning is the most powerful targeted card in standard. Ricochet Trap aught to have been blue and triggered off a red spell.
It's a good thing the trap is a valid target then.
I'm confidant that this will be a SB in most Jund decks, but unless Blue resurges to the majority of decks, it has no chance of MB.
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And that red card is NOT a ***, or even close. And think about it, did White Weenie ever play *** just in case the opponent played a fatty? Not that I can recall. Everyone mentions that it can kill Sphinx of JI but that would require having 4 creatures of your own in play, and then you're trading 5 for 1, and I don't think that's a very good deal.
Except Jund decks already play Fleshbag or the triple B vampire to deal with those, so there is no excuse really.
Jund will play neither card.
That said, we know 30 cards from the set.
New decks will come out, new cards will be released to deal with Jund, or possibly fracture the archetype into MUCH different versions.
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I don't really think that card will be seeing play, and most likely not in Jund.
Oh yeah I was arguing that for the people saying that red decks would play Chain Reaction
1.) Spreading Seas is a card, not a deck.
2.) Spreading Seas Enters the battlefield as an Enchantment, and then targets. Spreading Seas does not target as a spell. Ricochet is useless against it.
3.) Chain Reaction has Synergy with Wall of Denial. It's suicide in Jund.
Jund will not use it.
The trap is cute vs. Spreading Seas, better against Convincing Mirage.
Actually, it does work, target is chosen while casting...
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well, actually, yes. they did a looooong time ago.
but the game has changed a lot since then, and conventional wisdom says creature decks packing sweepers is generally a bad idea.
i def don't see jund playing chain reaction, and the trap is at the moment a veeeery sketchy maybe for the sb. but ofc, we'll just have to see how it all turns out post WW.
Spreading Seas is Aura, you target as you cast it not when it enters battlefield