Considering how much that card is stupid dumb in Legacy, you really think it needs to be in Modern too? It will warp the format. It should be buried like Atari E.T.
it was in modern before and the format was fine then.
Huh..no it wasn't.
They banned BBE for its sins. When they realized that in fact, it was our little "innocuous" friend the offender, they axed him. That was what finally put the nail in the coffin for Jund. It's a 1 mana planeswalker. People would build decks with splashing black/green with the sole purpose of using this card. It's represented in over 40% of the meta in Legacy. For all its worth, it should ALSO be banned in Legacy.
theres two cards that make use of late game's full graveyards to close out the game, deathrite shaman is just a little more efficient.
because he's a mana dork in addition to being a late game creature, he should be banned? (not in my book)
Wizards can't kill jund in one ban, so they make in vain bans in order to mess it up, IE deathrite shaman and bloodbraid elf.
I say let us have deathrite back. bad enough bloodbraid elf whips out threats bigger than deathrite and then has an aggressive body to swing into action on top of that cascade.
I really wish your arguments weren't superfluous because I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Neither of these cards do anything like what Shaman does. Otherwise we'd see oozes all over the place in legacy too (same for snap).
Shaman is:
- A mana accelerant
- Gains you life
- Kills your opponent without ever attacking them
- Controls graveyards
There's a reason he's referred to as the 1 mana planeswalker. The card is VASTLY more powerful than both Ooze and Snap. And when a card this good finds itself in nearly 50% of the top legacy decks...you know it might be problematic. The whole format warps around that card.
And that's the problem with shaman: warping a format.
Shaman is kind of like this one card that makes virtually any splash for it worth it. It makes your deck actively better by splashing it. Even if you're splashing a 5th color. That's format warping. It should rightfully remain on the banned list.
Ps. BBE is a card you need to build around, it has limitations in what it can effectively do. Shaman has zero building constraints save "Play black mana".
Yep, Shaman should have been banned in Legacy. There were 20+ in the last big top 8 and it's absolutely format-warping. It blinkers deck-building by giving you perfect mana above the extremely streamlined mana fetchlands give you, stops any real attempt at a reanimator deck and is a kill spill on top.
Ok then.
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On the bright side, Legacy having $5 staples rather than $250 staples is generally a good thing except to those who desire the format be so exclusive that anytime a newer and resultantly affordable card is having success they need to petition to knock it to banlist to return them to their rightfully bought high horse. But never ban their multi hundred dollar cards, THAT would be unbalancing!
Considering how much that card is stupid dumb in Legacy, you really think it needs to be in Modern too? It will warp the format. It should be buried like Atari E.T.
it was in modern before and the format was fine then.
Huh..no it wasn't.
They banned BBE for its sins. When they realized that in fact, it was our little "innocuous" friend the offender, they axed him. That was what finally put the nail in the coffin for Jund. It's a 1 mana planeswalker. People would build decks with splashing black/green with the sole purpose of using this card. It's represented in over 40% of the meta in Legacy. For all its worth, it should ALSO be banned in Legacy.
theres two cards that make use of late game's full graveyards to close out the game, deathrite shaman is just a little more efficient.
because he's a mana dork in addition to being a late game creature, he should be banned? (not in my book)
Wizards can't kill jund in one ban, so they make in vain bans in order to mess it up, IE deathrite shaman and bloodbraid elf.
I say let us have deathrite back. bad enough bloodbraid elf whips out threats bigger than deathrite and then has an aggressive body to swing into action on top of that cascade.
I really wish your arguments weren't superfluous because I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Neither of these cards do anything like what Shaman does. Otherwise we'd see oozes all over the place in legacy too (same for snap).
Shaman is:
- A mana accelerant
- Gains you life
- Kills your opponent without ever attacking them
- Controls graveyards
There's a reason he's referred to as the 1 mana planeswalker. The card is VASTLY more powerful than both Ooze and Snap. And when a card this good finds itself in nearly 50% of the top legacy decks...you know it might be problematic. The whole format warps around that card.
And that's the problem with shaman: warping a format.
Shaman is kind of like this one card that makes virtually any splash for it worth it. It makes your deck actively better by splashing it. Even if you're splashing a 5th color. That's format warping. It should rightfully remain on the banned list.
Ps. BBE is a card you need to build around, it has limitations in what it can effectively do. Shaman has zero building constraints save "Play black mana".
legacy and modern are so different that its not a fair comparison. Modern operates on different banning contexts than legacy.
given the state of modern, I think its safe to reintroduce him.
Moderns already warped in that if you don't play spot removal early creatures you'll lose in the race or never stablilize. since we are so warped in having to run such removal, adding another creature you must destroy to the format, (adding another target) isn't going to hurt the format.
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I think they made the right choice tbh. Standard is fine, modern is fine and still close to the huge unbans. There is an argument for bans in legacy but I think they were fine in waiting
I really wish your arguments weren't superfluous because I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Neither of these cards do anything like what Shaman does. Otherwise we'd see oozes all over the place in legacy too (same for snap).
Shaman is:
- A mana accelerant
- Gains you life
- Kills your opponent without ever attacking them
- Controls graveyards
There's a reason he's referred to as the 1 mana planeswalker. The card is VASTLY more powerful than both Ooze and Snap. And when a card this good finds itself in nearly 50% of the top legacy decks...you know it might be problematic. The whole format warps around that card.
And that's the problem with shaman: warping a format.
Shaman is kind of like this one card that makes virtually any splash for it worth it. It makes your deck actively better by splashing it. Even if you're splashing a 5th color. That's format warping. It should rightfully remain on the banned list.
Ps. BBE is a card you need to build around, it has limitations in what it can effectively do. Shaman has zero building constraints save "Play black mana".
Ok then.
Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
legacy and modern are so different that its not a fair comparison. Modern operates on different banning contexts than legacy.
given the state of modern, I think its safe to reintroduce him.
Moderns already warped in that if you don't play spot removal early creatures you'll lose in the race or never stablilize. since we are so warped in having to run such removal, adding another creature you must destroy to the format, (adding another target) isn't going to hurt the format.
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