I made a comment in the wrong thread, but is this confirmed yet? Standard applications are obvious. Abzan is ... I'm going to stop complaining, but this Manland is really good is real.
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There is absolutely no benefit to anyone for posts screaming fake. None. Zero.
Well, sure there is. People get excited and invested in spoilers, and the existence of fake spoilers strongly suggests that there are others that, for some form of personal gratification, enjoy to toy with people during spoiler season by giving them false information. If somebody has a reasonable opinion that a given spoiler is fake, pointing out that reasoning can potentially save others from wasting their time discussing it.
There's reasonable information now that the spoiled land is real, but initially it was highly questionable, and personally, I thought I was being trolled.
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great Abzan gets more threats for it's standard dominance. I hate that deck, it's so stupid. I wasn't going to complain, but giving even more tools to an already powerful standard deck is a mistake, the RW manland doesn't compare.
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If this is real, I think it's on a comparable power level.
If this is real, I think it's on a comparable power level.[/quote]
Maybe. I think it's probably going to end up a clear third place. In any case, being comparable doesn't satisfy the condition of beating one of them. I'm pretty serious about it, so we'll see about the izzet one.
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I primarily play limited, so most of my spoiler season comments view cards through that lens.
Someone please spoil the UR manland! I knew they would save it for last to torture me. I hope it's not like when they saved Emmara Tandris to spoil last legendary maze runner and she was horrendously unplayable.
Someone please spoil the UR manland! I knew they would save it for last to torture me. I hope it's not like when they saved Emmara Tandris to spoil last legendary maze runner and she was horrendously unplayable.
It must have been so painful to get one of the best value creatures ever printed without the legendary restriction instead of Emmara.
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
There is absolutely no benefit to anyone for posts screaming fake. None. Zero.
Well, sure there is. People get excited and invested in spoilers, and the existence of fake spoilers strongly suggests that there are others that, for some form of personal gratification, enjoy to toy with people during spoiler season by giving them false information. If somebody has a reasonable opinion that a given spoiler is fake, pointing out that reasoning can potentially save others from wasting their time discussing it.
There's reasonable information now that the spoiled land is real, but initially it was highly questionable, and personally, I thought I was being trolled.
Maybe! But it shouldn't be THAT surprising or suspicious that he's not posting a source.
Someone please spoil the UR manland! I knew they would save it for last to torture me. I hope it's not like when they saved Emmara Tandris to spoil last legendary maze runner and she was horrendously unplayable.
It must have been so painful to get one of the best value creatures ever printed without the legendary restriction instead of Emmara.
I'm a little confused. I think your referencing Voice of Resurgence due to the rumor that Emmara Tandris originally had the elemental token power (hence the actual token being in the picture) and they switched their powers at the last minute resulting in a much more powerful voice of resurgence. I play UWR typically and have never actually played with Voice of Resurgence. My point was that they spoiled the worst maze runner last when everyone thought they had saved her because she was awesome. I wasn't saying I was mad about Emmara or happy about voice, just that that the UR manland could face a similar fate. Sorry for the confusion. I should have elaborated.
Here is to hoping the UR manland it as good as the GB manland! Heck, I would even take
UR: Becomes a 3/3
It doesn't even need the regeneration and I would still take it
I really, really hope this is going to be a thing. I'd slot two directly into my Bg Devo deck without a second thought and would never look back. So much value, even if you leave mana up for regen (you should) it's still only costing you 4 total mana? It would be lovely for a BG core deck not to have to rely on RG or GW man lands.\
Edit- 5 mana if you are including the manland itself, which I really should have been doing.
If this is accurate, it feels like maybe good enough to push Junk back to the top.
I think it will definitely cause a surge in GBx decks for bit. They are already on the uptick, but if this card is spoiled it will be a whole new ball game.
The Worldwake manlands (including Dread Statuary) cost at least 3 mana to activate, so Tectonic Edge could answer them. The BW and UG manlands in BFZ follow the same pattern, as does the recently-spoiled RW manland.
The Worldwake manlands (including Dread Statuary) cost at least 3 mana to activate, so Tectonic Edge could answer them. The BW and UG manlands in BFZ follow the same pattern, as does the recently-spoiled RW manland.
This should cost at least 1BG to activate.
I'd still play it at that cost with the current stats and abilities, but maybe that's just me.
The other man lands besides BR have inherent abilities, though. The regen does nothing without even more mana and is clearly weaker than hexproof while serving a similar purpose, so 1GB would probably be too much.
Actually the regenerate is relevant for chump blocking or being blocked by other things. Another scenario (a modern scenario) if someone were to, say, wasteland it, or tectonic edge it, or cast ruination, etc, you could Animate it and regenerate it in response, assuming you have the mana open. The regenerate serves a different function.
That regen, with those stats is what sells the card for me. Treetop Village is a great man land, and even if this cost one more to activate I would still love the card, as I highly value reganeration, especially on something as fragile/important as a x/3 man land. The possibility of out grinding an opponent with this card feels very real to me.
If only this could have been able to regenerate at all times, even when it wasn't a creature. Would be neat seeing a land like that. Past that though this is pretty good the way it is.
I believe the ability is not the priority. We're offered a BG manland, that's to say we can fix black mana with a manland, which is what wTreetop Village is a great man land, and even if this cost one more to activate I would still love the card, as I highly value reganeration, especially on something as fragile/important as a x/3 man land. The possibility of out grinding an opponent with this card feels very real to me.
The reason why we would drop Treetop Village is because we can fix black mana with the manland. Jund and Abzan players barely mind what ability is gonna be stuck on the manland. I'm surprised there's such debate over deathtouch or regen being relevant since it's not the priority at all. The first priority is to have a GB manland that animates for a 3 cmc max, so it naturally takes Ravine's slot, and potentially competes with Treetop Village and Stirring Wildwood, which are so far the most played ones for a few reasons, one being their very low mana investment.
I believe the ability is not the priority. We're offered a BG manland, that's to say we can fix black mana with a manland, which is what wTreetop Village is a great man land, and even if this cost one more to activate I would still love the card, as I highly value reganeration, especially on something as fragile/important as a x/3 man land. The possibility of out grinding an opponent with this card feels very real to me.
The reason why we would drop Treetop Village is because we can fix black mana with the manland. Jund and Abzan players barely mind what ability is gonna be stuck on the manland. I'm surprised there's such debate over deathtouch or regen being relevant since it's not the priority at all. The first priority is to have a GB manland that animates for a 3 cmc max, so it naturally takes Ravine's slot, and potentially competes with Treetop Village and Stirring Wildwood, which are so far the most played ones for a few reasons, one being their very low mana investment.
As a Jund player I agree that a straight 3/3 that taps for B/G and activates for BG is already a no-brainer maindeck, but I believe that the regeneration is also going to be a huge upside if this is real. I cannot count the number of times I`ve sat in the late game with a clear board, a Treetop/Ravine and plenty of mana, and I couldn`t activate the manland because I know that my URx opponent has saved one of his eight bolts for it. Regeneration solves that problem. I would take it over deathtouch any day.
I disagree that this "naturally takes Ravine's slot, and potentially competes with Treetop Village". That is, I will indeed replace some Ravines with this, but I will replace all Treetops before I replace any Ravines. I`ll go from 1 Treetop 3 Ravines to 3 Spoilerland 1 Ravine and see how that works out. I`ll even consider running a full set of these and no other manlands.
Edit: I think people who say regeneration isn`t a big deal might also be forgetting about all the times regeneration will let the land survive without ever being paid for. Animate land, attack with regeneration mana open, opponent won`t Bolt/Terminate it because I can regenerate it, chump blocks or takes damage, I pass turn and spend the regen mana on removal or Ooze activations in their turn.
The card is nnnnnnuts. I still refuse to believe that it`s real just because it`s too good.
Actually the regenerate is relevant for chump blocking or being blocked by other things. Another scenario (a modern scenario) if someone were to, say, wasteland it, or tectonic edge it, or cast ruination, etc, you could Animate it and regenerate it in response, assuming you have the mana open. The regenerate serves a different function.
I didn't say it was useless. It would cost more than hexproof if it or the animation cost went up by 1, though. I seriously doubt people would prefer regen to hexproof other than the hexproof haters.
Edit: I think people who say regeneration isn`t a big deal might also be forgetting about all the times regeneration will let the land survive without ever being paid for. Animate land, attack with regeneration mana open, opponent won`t Bolt/Terminate it because I can regenerate it, chump blocks or takes damage, I pass turn and spend the regen mana on removal or Ooze activations in their turn.
The card is nnnnnnuts. I still refuse to believe that it`s real just because it`s too good.
I agree it is strong, but I urge you to read Terminate again
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Well, sure there is. People get excited and invested in spoilers, and the existence of fake spoilers strongly suggests that there are others that, for some form of personal gratification, enjoy to toy with people during spoiler season by giving them false information. If somebody has a reasonable opinion that a given spoiler is fake, pointing out that reasoning can potentially save others from wasting their time discussing it.
There's reasonable information now that the spoiled land is real, but initially it was highly questionable, and personally, I thought I was being trolled.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
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RW Burn
If this is real, I think it's on a comparable power level.
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If this is real, I think it's on a comparable power level.[/quote]
Maybe. I think it's probably going to end up a clear third place. In any case, being comparable doesn't satisfy the condition of beating one of them. I'm pretty serious about it, so we'll see about the izzet one.
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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Maybe! But it shouldn't be THAT surprising or suspicious that he's not posting a source.
I'm a little confused. I think your referencing Voice of Resurgence due to the rumor that Emmara Tandris originally had the elemental token power (hence the actual token being in the picture) and they switched their powers at the last minute resulting in a much more powerful voice of resurgence. I play UWR typically and have never actually played with Voice of Resurgence. My point was that they spoiled the worst maze runner last when everyone thought they had saved her because she was awesome. I wasn't saying I was mad about Emmara or happy about voice, just that that the UR manland could face a similar fate. Sorry for the confusion. I should have elaborated.
Here is to hoping the UR manland it as good as the GB manland! Heck, I would even take
UR: Becomes a 3/3
It doesn't even need the regeneration and I would still take it
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UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
UW Ephara Hatebears [Primer], GB Gitrog Lands, BRU Inalla Combo-Control, URG Maelstrom Wanderer Landfall
Edit- 5 mana if you are including the manland itself, which I really should have been doing.
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I think it will definitely cause a surge in GBx decks for bit. They are already on the uptick, but if this card is spoiled it will be a whole new ball game.
This should cost at least 1BG to activate.
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I'd still play it at that cost with the current stats and abilities, but maybe that's just me.
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The reason why we would drop Treetop Village is because we can fix black mana with the manland. Jund and Abzan players barely mind what ability is gonna be stuck on the manland. I'm surprised there's such debate over deathtouch or regen being relevant since it's not the priority at all. The first priority is to have a GB manland that animates for a 3 cmc max, so it naturally takes Ravine's slot, and potentially competes with Treetop Village and Stirring Wildwood, which are so far the most played ones for a few reasons, one being their very low mana investment.
I disagree that this "naturally takes Ravine's slot, and potentially competes with Treetop Village". That is, I will indeed replace some Ravines with this, but I will replace all Treetops before I replace any Ravines. I`ll go from 1 Treetop 3 Ravines to 3 Spoilerland 1 Ravine and see how that works out. I`ll even consider running a full set of these and no other manlands.
Edit: I think people who say regeneration isn`t a big deal might also be forgetting about all the times regeneration will let the land survive without ever being paid for. Animate land, attack with regeneration mana open, opponent won`t Bolt/Terminate it because I can regenerate it, chump blocks or takes damage, I pass turn and spend the regen mana on removal or Ooze activations in their turn.
The card is nnnnnnuts. I still refuse to believe that it`s real just because it`s too good.
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I agree it is strong, but I urge you to read Terminate again