Five Mythics

  • #1
    So, I've seen and copied the full set list for DGM. Not going to say exactly how this happened, but it involved a visit to WotC, a camera phone, and some papers that *someone* clearly shouldn't have left out. WotC didn't know I'm a player and enthusiast as well as a business contact (and have posted here before, but this username is new... I do want to hide my tracks a bit). I don't think there's much chance I could get in trouble for this, since I don't work directly for WotC.

    It is humanly possible that this could change before release, or that the set list I've seen is an early draft.

    The set has 156 cards, including 10 mythic rares, 36 rares, 55 uncommons, and 55 commons. It does not have new basic lands. One of the mythics is a very weird and fun planeswalker, Ral Zarek, who is UR, and it has one completely new keyword, although all ten previous guild keywords return.

    In case you were wondering what else returns, or what Niv-Mizzet has been hiding, it's the new and upgraded Nephilim. And now there are five, they're legendary, and they use hybrid mana. For your perusal, five of the ten mythics, in a cycle:

    Acushla, Terror of the Clans (M)
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    G/W W/U U/B B/R
    5/5
    Flying
    Whenever an opponent explores, you may look at the top three cards of that players library and put any of those cards on the bottom of his or her deck.
    2W: CARDNAME gains lifelink until EoT.
    2B, T: Destroy target tapped creature.

    Azurelshi, Bane of the Cultists (M)
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    R/G G/W W/U U/B
    5/5
    Lifelink
    Whenever a creatue enters the battlefield under an opponent’s control with any +1/+1 counters on it, exile that creature.
    2G: CARDNAME gains deathtouch and trample until EoT.
    2U, T: Attacking creatures get -1/-0 until EoT.

    Davriki, Breaker of the Senate (M)
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    U/B B/R R/G G/W
    First Strike
    Whenever a spell or ability detains a permanent you control, exile that permanent and then return it to the battlefield. It deals damage equal to its CMC to target creature or player.
    2B: Regenerate CARDNAME.
    2G, T: All creatures lose flying until EoT.

    Dvermi, Scourge of the Conclave (M)
    W/U U/B B/R R/G
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    5/5
    Deathtouch
    Whenever an opponent proliferates, destroy all creature tokens.
    2U: Return CARDNAME and another target creature to their owners’ hands.
    2R, T: CARDNAME deals 2 damage to target creature or player and 2 damage to you.

    Gavrill, Light Against the Dark (M)
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    B/R R/G G/W W/U
    5/5
    Trample
    Whenever a spell or ability controlled by your opponent puts a card from your library into your graveyard, you may put that card into your hand.
    2R: CARDNAME gains haste and first strike until EoT.
    2W, T: You gain 1 life for each card in your graveyard, then shuffle your graveyard into your library.

    You'll notice that (like much of the RTR set) this set of mythics has a lot of cyclical elements: each has a static ability, a triggered ability, and two activated abilities, one of which involves tapping. The Nephilim seem generally opposed to one of the five friendly-colored guilds;there is indeed a cycle of multicolor cards (at rare, not mythic, also not legendary, also not all creatures) that is directly opposed to each of the opposite-color guilds.

    Here are a few points that make me wonder whether the set list I grabbed (and yes, copied in entirety with my cameraphone) is real, or at least current:

    *The Nephilim are effectively tricolor, not four colors, since the hybrid mana means they can be cast with only three colors each. Why not just print them as tricolor cards?

    *Some seem wonkily overpowered for 4CC creatures, even with the stringent color requirements.

    *The cycle is a tad TOO regular for my taste (I see this in other cycles in DGM on the set list, too): the activation costs, stats, and abilities all line up so evenly. The Nephilim from Guildpact had more variance.

    Well, let me know what you think, and I'll start posting more of the set list after the holidays.

    Smile
  • #2
    Proliferates and not populates? That seems..... odd. If this is in fact legit. Seems pretty far-fetched to me.
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  • #3
    Pictures? Video footage?
  • #4
    Fake. Story is questionable, one of them completely blanks an entire mechanic.

    The second to last one was clearly supposed to say 'Whenever an opponent populates'. There is no logical way to believe that you wrote this correctly, and somehow typed it in wrong.

    I'm sure that there are other inconsistencies, but I don't think it's necessary to look them up. Not a believable story overall.
  • #5
    Quote from Cyan
    Fake. Story is questionable, one of them completely blanks an entire mechanic.

    The second to last one was clearly supposed to say 'Whenever an opponent populates'. There is no logical way to believe that you wrote this correctly, and somehow typed it in wrong.

    I'm sure that there are other inconsistencies, but I don't think it's necessary to look them up. Not a believable story overall.


    A lot of people accidentally say proliferate when they meant populate. It's a normal thing to do.

    Anyways, Dragon's Maze is way too far off for these to be proven real or fake.
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  • #6
    quite believable for me.
    niceee so the nephilim is back, and this time it created by niv mizzet ???
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    As far as these forums are concerned, WotC can never do anything good because:

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    Card that is a reprint = "lazy"
    Card that is a better version of an older card = "power creep"
    Card that is a weaker version of an older card = "worthless"

    Does that about sum things up?
  • #7
    Simple test come gatecrash spoilers. If there's a mechanic named explore and another involving putting cards from the library into the graveyard, these are plausible.
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  • #8
    For creatures that are supposed to be 4 colours (the draw of the original Nephilem), they seem to have too many colours in their mana cost.
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    fake!!

    The photo and symbol were clearly photoshopped and the templating is all wrong, it should read...

    Wait, why is no one else calling fakesyes? I thought that was how things worked around here.

  • #9
    Will probably be proven true or false based upon whether the gruul mechanic really is to "explore".
  • #10
    bullplop

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  • #11
    If it involved a camera phone put the pictures up. Until then I'm calling fake.

    If this was real it seems like the Gruul clan has an "explore" mechanic.
  • #12
    Huh.....

    I have NO idea why, maybe it's the quality of writing or the plausible story but im actually inclined to believe this is real. Regardless, the pics must be posted as proof if these threads hope to remain on the Rumour Mill.
  • #13
    Quote from Axelle Blitzer


    Anyways, Dragon's Maze is way too far off for these to be proven real or fake.

    we don't need wait that long

    Acushla, Terror of the Clans (M)
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    G/W W/U U/B B/R
    5/5
    Flying
    Whenever an opponent explores, you may look at the top three cards of that players library and put any of those cards on the bottom of his or her deck.
    2W: CARDNAME gains lifelink until EoT.
    2B, T: Destroy target tapped creature.

    if mechanics for gruul is indeed explore, then this could be true
  • #14
    I call fake, he should've posted the pics to give his history more cedibility.

    Also the fact that he's a user with only 1 message makes my dubious of the story.

    I f he has the rest of the card list
    So, I've seen and copied the full set list for DGM
    , he should post it so we could see if amongst them its present the mechanic explore.
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  • #15
    If this is real then I'm a bit disappointed. I was really, really hoping for 4 coloured legendary nephilims for EDH, but all those have 5 colours in their colour identity... Swear
  • #16
    The first fakeness that pops out of the cards themselves are that this use of hybrid will NOT create 4-color generals for Commander, which would be the only point in printing new Nephilim.

    Secondarily, it creates an allied-color quality that isn't supposed to exist on Ravnica which would require significantly more than 5 Nephilim to fix AND the Hybrid costs are ugly and difficult to grok even when you abandon the established mana symbol order.

    If people want to post convincing cards, post the 5 red commons that are least expected. Then it will be crystal clear as to whether the cards in question are, in fact, legitimate.
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  • #17
    Just gonna go ahead and call bull****.
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  • #18
    OP's spiel sounded real enough, but the cards just totally give it away.
    Wizards would not make those.
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  • #19
    Sure I could believe the story. These cards? These aren't well enough designed to be poster boys.

    Ain't no thang.
  • #20
    http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/37644522541/how-about-a-hybrid-card-with-a-casting-cost-containing

    Quote from MaRo in Blogatog »
    How about a hybrid card with a casting cost containing three colors, like "(w/u) (u/b)"?
    We’ve played around with it. Playtesting has shown it is more confusing to some players than you would think.



    This alone should indicate they wouldn't make cards like those. Fake.
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  • #21
    Something fishy about this, he states he copied the full list out with his camera phone? Does he mean he took a photo of a printed god book? Or he actually texted the whole spoiler list in his phone?

    I would be more acceptable to believing this if he had pictures, also he is definitely at risk from WotC for spoiling these if they are real as any visitor to a workplace would be asked to sign a non disclosure agreement even if hey are to have business dealings with them.

    I want more proof...
  • #22
    So Niv Mizzet use the 5 nephilim to counter the other guild right ?
    Quote from Antonthorpe

    Acushla, Terror of the Clans (M)
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    G/W W/U U/B B/R
    5/5
    Flying
    Whenever an opponent explores, you may look at the top three cards of that players library and put any of those cards on the bottom of his or her deck.
    2W: CARDNAME gains lifelink until EoT.
    2B, T: Destroy target tapped creature.

    to counter Grull

    Quote from Antonthorpe

    Azurelshi, Bane of the Cultists (M)
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    R/G G/W W/U U/B
    5/5
    Lifelink
    Whenever a creatue enters the battlefield under an opponent’s control with any +1/+1 counters on it, exile that creature.
    2G: CARDNAME gains deathtouch and trample until EoT.
    2U, T: Attacking creatures get -1/-0 until EoT.

    to counter Rakdos

    Quote from Antonthorpe

    Davriki, Breaker of the Senate (M)
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    U/B B/R R/G G/W
    First Strike
    Whenever a spell or ability detains a permanent you control, exile that permanent and then return it to the battlefield. It deals damage equal to its CMC to target creature or player.
    2B: Regenerate CARDNAME.
    2G, T: All creatures lose flying until EoT.

    to counter Azorius

    Quote from Antonthorpe

    Dvermi, Scourge of the Conclave (M)
    W/U U/B B/R R/G
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    5/5
    Deathtouch
    Whenever an opponent populate, destroy all creature tokens.
    2U: Return CARDNAME and another target creature to their owners’ hands.
    2R, T: CARDNAME deals 2 damage to target creature or player and 2 damage to you.

    to counter Selesnya

    Quote from Antonthorpe

    Gavrill, Light Against the Dark (M)
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    B/R R/G G/W W/U
    5/5
    Trample
    Whenever a spell or ability controlled by your opponent puts a card from your library into your graveyard, you may put that card into your hand.
    2R: CARDNAME gains haste and first strike until EoT.
    2W, T: You gain 1 life for each card in your graveyard, then shuffle your graveyard into your library.

    To counter Dimir ? (since it's counter milling)

    So that's is 5 guild:
    Grull, Rakdos, Selesnya, Azorius, and Dimir

    so Izzet will be making alliance with the 4 of other guild? (Boros, Orzhov, Golgari, and Simic)

    is that's mean there will be 2 guild alliances who will fight ???

    and isn't that mean the nephilim will be only use in RTR block ? except the
    Gavrill, Light Against the Dark (M)
    Legendary Creature – Nephilim
    B/R R/G G/W W/U
    5/5
    Trample
    Whenever a spell or ability controlled by your opponent puts a card from your library into your graveyard, you may put that card into your hand.

    since it's ability is counter to any milling strategy.
    Quote from Caedere

    So.
    I think I understand now.
    As far as these forums are concerned, WotC can never do anything good because:

    Card that is new and probably good = "pushed"
    Card that is new and probably bad = "EDH/casual fodder"
    Card that is a reprint = "lazy"
    Card that is a better version of an older card = "power creep"
    Card that is a weaker version of an older card = "worthless"

    Does that about sum things up?
  • #23
    Something fishy about this, he states he copied the full list out with his camera phone? Does he mean he took a photo of a printed god book? Or he actually texted the whole spoiler list in his phone?

    I would be more acceptable to believing this if he had pictures, also he is definitely at risk from WotC for spoiling these if they are real as any visitor to a workplace would be asked to sign a non disclosure agreement even if hey are to have business dealings with them.

    I want more proof...
  • #24
    Someone needed to say it, Pic or it didn't happen.
    From Supernatural:

    Sam: a demon summoning spell ? why?
    Lucifer: to summon a demon (auto censorship here)
    ====
    The Wizard of Oz: A juvenile delinquent runs away from home, kills the first person she meets in a foreign land, robs her corpse, then promptly forms a gang with three complete strangers in order to kill again.
    ====

    with R i'll burn you and with B youll'be maimed
  • #25
    The worst thing about these being true would mean that Dimir has a mill theme again. Surely they won't hose my favourite guild 2 blocks in a row? I mean, Rakdos got a (teeny tiny minor) upgrade this time, surely Dimir can do something better too? The cards themselves are superhosers but somewhat believable.
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