I see his ultimate as being very powerful in both Commander and Archenemy. Any time you're facing mutiple opponents. Yeah doesn't do much for standard but Magic is much more then just standard.
Also glad that all the UR, UW, UB Jace talk can end now.
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Are you people kidding me? If WU has any sort of (non-Delver tempo style) playability with this release a CMC4 Jace with FOF-lite is very sweet. Lets count the reasons why:
He replaces himself when he hits play
If you can defend him he will draw you at least two more cards (starting with the second turn you have him in play)
And he will draw you 2 more cards every three turns while also giving your control deck a better chance of protecting him...especially from 1/1 flying Spirit tokens, etc.
Dont forget that Gideon will be in GTC (albeit Boros and probably not as good at defending other PWs) and we still have another unknown planeswalker in this set.
I think people are underrating this card a little bit. No, he is no JtMS...but I dont think that any PW should be.
His only real threat is from flipped Delvers (and good RTR burn if that exists). But heck, that is a threat to pretty much everything right now.
For these abilities, I'm truly surprised they didn't bring back the 1UU cost of the original. A +1 that helps the Planeswalker "protect" itself is nice. By all means, please rethink your combat math. The mini-Fact of Fiction is...cute. It's a little sad that the cards that don't go to your hand stay in your deck. With Snapcaster Mage existing, I would have been happy if the cards that go unpicked went to your graveyard. And the effect that too many people wrongly judge a planeswalker by...his ultimate...or, in this case, lack there of. How incredibly lackluster. Clearly designed with multi-player formats in mind. Oh well, can't wait to get one and trade it off to someone who will be willing to trade their arm, leg, and soul just to get one. Because lets face it, every PW brings out those kids no matter how good or bad the Planewalker turns out to be.
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Jace seems ok. I guess I was hoping something closer to Liliana in playability. At 3cc, I don't think he'd be too OP and its nice that you can double FOF on an empty board..
I don't see how it could fit into the current meta...
Jace seems ok. I guess I was hoping something closer to Liliana in playability. At 3cc, I don't think he'd be too OP and its nice that you can double FOF on an empty board..
I don't see how it could fit into the current meta...
you do realize it will not be the current meta he is played in, right? scars rotates and the meta changes.....
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I don't see how it could fit into the current meta...
The meta is going to completely change once Rav is released, so that's irrelevant.
Anyway, this guy followed by Tamiyo do a pretty good job of locking the board down. Maybe some sort of Super Friends deck will be viable after rotation (though it would have to be careful of Magmaquake!)
This Jace is excellent, and extraordinarily difficult to remove once he hits play. He's not as nearly as powerful as JTMS, but the comparison isn't completely absurd, either, which says a lot for him.
He's not quite as good as Jace Bel because the three mana made the latter a very relevant control on control card, but he's a much more relevant play against aggro, and will see considerably play in standard and some play in modern.
He is strong enough. Will see play in formats where Jace 2 is not available. but consider that in 2 turns he is 4 card. Even JTMS did not get you value like that as fast. If your playing enough lightning bolts and what have you in that delver list, this guy can get very scary very fast.
I like the +1 And the card draw is nice. Ultimate is cool in edh when you need that combo and you're not playing black, but Jace has really let himself go in e last few sets.
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I think they are continuing to hit the right power level with planeswalkers lately.
Just like many of the most recent bunch, Jace 4 has a powerful effect without going to any extremes. Unike Jace 2, Jace 4 should a quality inclusion in many builds, not an automatic 4-of in any blue deck.
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Jace + Doubling Season = one card from your opponent's deck for each Jace left in your deck. Throw in Wheel of Sun and Moon to cast every nonland card from your opponent's deck.
Except when you play the 2nd Jace they both die.
Card is good not great. He's not even really a limited bomb given how good the draw spells are shaping up to be, I'd pick Izzet charm over him.
Need the rest of the set to say for sure, but probably a miss.
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Also glad that all the UR, UW, UB Jace talk can end now.
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He's too fair.
Dont forget that Gideon will be in GTC (albeit Boros and probably not as good at defending other PWs) and we still have another unknown planeswalker in this set.
I think people are underrating this card a little bit. No, he is no JtMS...but I dont think that any PW should be.
His only real threat is from flipped Delvers (and good RTR burn if that exists). But heck, that is a threat to pretty much everything right now.
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I don't see how it could fit into the current meta...
I like this one.
you do realize it will not be the current meta he is played in, right? scars rotates and the meta changes.....
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The meta is going to completely change once Rav is released, so that's irrelevant.
Anyway, this guy followed by Tamiyo do a pretty good job of locking the board down. Maybe some sort of Super Friends deck will be viable after rotation (though it would have to be careful of Magmaquake!)
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He's not quite as good as Jace Bel because the three mana made the latter a very relevant control on control card, but he's a much more relevant play against aggro, and will see considerably play in standard and some play in modern.
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I think they are continuing to hit the right power level with planeswalkers lately.
Just like many of the most recent bunch, Jace 4 has a powerful effect without going to any extremes. Unike Jace 2, Jace 4 should a quality inclusion in many builds, not an automatic 4-of in any blue deck.
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Except when you play the 2nd Jace they both die.
Card is good not great. He's not even really a limited bomb given how good the draw spells are shaping up to be, I'd pick Izzet charm over him.
Need the rest of the set to say for sure, but probably a miss.