In my opinion forget about Reiver Demon, you'll be dead by the time you hardcast him and reanimating him doesent make any use of his cip ability.
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Ah RSD is Rune Scared Demon... not better as Avator imho...
And seriously Tombstalker is the worst choice of this three cards. He would be nice to have for other decks but not in a reanimator...
I'd rather have Kokusho printed here.
Yeah, for reanimator you're really only considering Rune-Scarred Demon here, as the other two only provide large flying bodies. Chancellor of the Dross, Hypnox, and Spirit of the Night are all better options for just being large flying black bodies. The Avatar's tap ability is really amazing, and what makes her the go-to gal in so many decks (that and the potential to actually hardcast her for 2, which should not be overlooked).
The Demon is an interesting card to consider, but you're not looking to combo out off of your big baddie, you're looking to smash face. In this deck he can't fetch any sort of protection (like a counterspell), so better use someone who's a utility stick as well as a beatstick.
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Question! How playable will this deck be right out of the box against say...casual legacy?
Short answer: yes. In fact, the entire point is that the deck is playable out of the box.
Long answer: casual legacy is a very vague term. Most decks, a vast majority of deck in the world, could be considered 'casual legacy'. Under that definition, the deck will probably be able to hold it's own against the kitchen table of players that steadfastedly refuse to trade thier Dark Banishings for Terrors (and speak not of the blasphemous Doom Blade!). These players will also no doubt be very impressed at WotC for 'remembering' a card like Avatar of Woe, or get upset that WotC ruined Avy Woe's value by reprinting her for nublets to get (I've had this happen twice since TSP...).
But if by Casual Legacy you mean people who are playing top tier tournament level decks before the Friday night draft, then you'll probably have a harder time out of the box.
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*sigh* not interesting. Why can't they make a PDS that doesn't play out the exact same way every game? If I'm going to sink $35 into this thing, I want it to be interesting to play with and nonobvious to modify into a "proper" deck. They've basically just said "here, buy 4 of these, slam them together, take out the bad cards, add a good manabase, good fatties instead of the crap we gave you, and some Force of Wills, and voila Legacy deck that you'll want to play exactly once before you gouge your eyes out with forks for it being so boring".
Not interested.
These decks are meant to contain high value and be fairly competitive. Inconsistent decks generally aren't competitive, so you do the math.
Do they cards have the ugly foil or the normal booster foil effect ?
Foiling process is different than pack foil. PDS: Slivers and PDS: F&L had 2 different foiling processes so there is no way to know what these will have till we have them in hand.
I was going to pass.. then I saw those Cabal Therapy with the new art. I just wish they would print that on a non-foil.
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Good job dave humphreys. Glad he made it, since he has reanimator experience. Nice blend of cool, powerful and iconic creatures with powerful older cards. Even the "filler junk" is pretty good. Faceless butcher is really not a card i mind seeing in here, honestly nice work
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So what changes would you make to this deck to make it A. Legacy competitive or B. Modern legal?
Modern legal would mean dropping the best cards in the product; Entomb, Exhume, Reanimate, AoW, Crosis, Animate Dead, etc. So not sure why you'd do that. (the new frames doesn't mean it's modern legal, but rather, 8ED onwards, which coincides with the introduction of the new frames.) For promo products, to discern their legality, refer to their former set-based print.
Legacy? I'm not sure, I don't play. But I'm going to guess you need very expensive cards to make it competitive in that format.
That is a very solid list! Might have to consider picking up a couple if I find a deal. Might have a hard time not getting at least two with no price break lol.
Modern legal would mean dropping the best cards in the product; Entomb, Exhume, Reanimate, AoW, Crosis, Animate Dead, etc. So not sure why you'd do that. (the new frames doesn't mean it's modern legal, but rather, 8ED onwards, which coincides with the introduction of the new frames.) For promo products, to discern their legality, refer to their former set-based print.
Legacy? I'm not sure, I don't play. But I'm going to guess you need very expensive cards to make it competitive in that format.
So there aren't any Modern Reanimator decks that are any good?
So what changes would you make to this deck to make it A. Legacy competitive or B. Modern legal?
Buying four of them, mostly for the entombs and reanimates would give you a fairly good leagcy deck. I don't think you really need to add blue in order to compete.
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This is the list I would use, based only in the cards in the product:
Buying four of them, mostly for the entombs and reanimates would give you a fairly good leagcy deck. I don't think you really need to add blue in order to compete.
You always need to add blue to compete in Legacy, regardless of the deck you're playing.
You always need to add blue to compete in Legacy, regardless of the deck you're playing.
Brainstorm, Daze, and Force of Will are the minimum cards you need to add. However there are a few nutso decks out there that do not require blue. IE combo elves, and loam assault to name 2 that just did fantastic a week or so ago at an SCGlive event.
Buying four of them, mostly for the entombs and reanimates would give you a fairly good leagcy deck. I don't think you really need to add blue in order to compete.
You don't need to, but it helps greatly. Brainstorm and Reckless Study help you dig as well as give you a discard outlet for any reanimate targets you drew into. Echoing Truth provides protection from plenty (it was wonderful during the days of Ad Nauseum-Tendrils to let them full out alpha strike with a storm filled Empty The Warrens and respond with a Echoing Truth that basically was a 1 sided Wrath). And obviously, FoW and Daze provide you with reanimate protection (as well as FoW again being a discard outlet for targets you draw).
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In my opinion forget about Reiver Demon, you'll be dead by the time you hardcast him and reanimating him doesent make any use of his cip ability.
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Ah RSD is Rune Scared Demon... not better as Avator imho...
And seriously Tombstalker is the worst choice of this three cards. He would be nice to have for other decks but not in a reanimator...
I'd rather have Kokusho printed here.
Hopefully it plays well out of the box like Fire and Lightning though.
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Yeah, for reanimator you're really only considering Rune-Scarred Demon here, as the other two only provide large flying bodies. Chancellor of the Dross, Hypnox, and Spirit of the Night are all better options for just being large flying black bodies. The Avatar's tap ability is really amazing, and what makes her the go-to gal in so many decks (that and the potential to actually hardcast her for 2, which should not be overlooked).
The Demon is an interesting card to consider, but you're not looking to combo out off of your big baddie, you're looking to smash face. In this deck he can't fetch any sort of protection (like a counterspell), so better use someone who's a utility stick as well as a beatstick.
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Short answer: yes. In fact, the entire point is that the deck is playable out of the box.
Long answer: casual legacy is a very vague term. Most decks, a vast majority of deck in the world, could be considered 'casual legacy'. Under that definition, the deck will probably be able to hold it's own against the kitchen table of players that steadfastedly refuse to trade thier Dark Banishings for Terrors (and speak not of the blasphemous Doom Blade!). These players will also no doubt be very impressed at WotC for 'remembering' a card like Avatar of Woe, or get upset that WotC ruined Avy Woe's value by reprinting her for nublets to get (I've had this happen twice since TSP...).
But if by Casual Legacy you mean people who are playing top tier tournament level decks before the Friday night draft, then you'll probably have a harder time out of the box.
These decks are meant to contain high value and be fairly competitive. Inconsistent decks generally aren't competitive, so you do the math.
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Foiling process is different than pack foil. PDS: Slivers and PDS: F&L had 2 different foiling processes so there is no way to know what these will have till we have them in hand.
I wish there was a method to remove the foil plastic of cards.
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
It's not half-bad. Great if your opponent catches a whiff of what you're up to, stops playing spells, and begins discarding fatties of their own..
@Ertai: Yes, Reanimator is a pretty boring deck, yes. That's just how it goes. Honeslty, most combo decks are after you play them a few times.
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Modern legal would mean dropping the best cards in the product; Entomb, Exhume, Reanimate, AoW, Crosis, Animate Dead, etc. So not sure why you'd do that. (the new frames doesn't mean it's modern legal, but rather, 8ED onwards, which coincides with the introduction of the new frames.) For promo products, to discern their legality, refer to their former set-based print.
Legacy? I'm not sure, I don't play. But I'm going to guess you need very expensive cards to make it competitive in that format.
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It's a fairly recent version of Legacy competitve Reanimator. And yes, that's what you'd need to make it competitve.
Honestly it's great fun for casual Legacy play... but unfortunately outside of a kitchen table, many shop's Legacy nights are fairly aggressive.
So there aren't any Modern Reanimator decks that are any good?
Dave mentions a mono-black version that he and friends piloted in 2003 and 2001. Wish I could find that list someplace...
Buying four of them, mostly for the entombs and reanimates would give you a fairly good leagcy deck. I don't think you really need to add blue in order to compete.
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This is the list I would use, based only in the cards in the product:
4 Entomb
4 Duress
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Reanimate
4 Exume
4 Animate Dead
2 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
2 Blazing Archon
2 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Verdant Force
1 Terrastodon
none
Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
You always need to add blue to compete in Legacy, regardless of the deck you're playing.
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Brainstorm, Daze, and Force of Will are the minimum cards you need to add. However there are a few nutso decks out there that do not require blue. IE combo elves, and loam assault to name 2 that just did fantastic a week or so ago at an SCGlive event.
You don't need to, but it helps greatly. Brainstorm and Reckless Study help you dig as well as give you a discard outlet for any reanimate targets you drew into. Echoing Truth provides protection from plenty (it was wonderful during the days of Ad Nauseum-Tendrils to let them full out alpha strike with a storm filled Empty The Warrens and respond with a Echoing Truth that basically was a 1 sided Wrath). And obviously, FoW and Daze provide you with reanimate protection (as well as FoW again being a discard outlet for targets you draw).