They just fixed it so it wouldn't break the format or something. And besides, what if for the invitational the winner designed, say, an a. call for 2U or something? There's no way wizards would print that. And putting someone's face on a land seems awkward ala bearscape.
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They just fixed it so it wouldn't break the format or something. And besides, what if for the invitational the winner designed, say, an a. call for 2U or something? There's no way wizards would print that. And putting someone's face on a land seems awkward ala bearscape.
I would think that if you can win an invitational, but can't design a card, then they just don't print the card.
If someone invited you to write a book, and you wrote "Once upon a time, there was this stuff that happened" and then they published "Once upon a time, something else happened" would it be your book, or theirs? Would you want to be listed as the author with your picture on the cover?
I'm hardly interested. We have enough "good rare" creatures from the rest of the Invitationals already...would it kill to provide a little diversity? I'm not saying this automatically makes the card worse/less interesting, but this card is going to have be exceedingly special to catch my attention now.
If it's not a card as designed by Tiago, why are they calling it Tiago's card and putting his face on it?
Because it's based on his submission.
None of the invitational cards have been straight up invitational creations as far as I'm aware. Rootwater Thief was closer to Extract/Jester's Cap initially, and wasn't a creature, Finkel was I think an Ophidian with Flying.
Why are all of the invitational cards blue? Blue is OP. We don't need any more blue.
They should make the world champs design a card for a specific color, and make the color different each year.
That's because tournament winners are pretty much by definition hardcore spike players. And blue is the color that spikes over the history of the game have gravitated towards. This is also the reason why most of these cards are just plain powerful without doing anything interesting.
Why are all of the invitational cards blue? Blue is OP. We don't need any more blue.
They should make the world champs design a card for a specific color, and make the color different each year.
Because Blue is OP. Tee-hee.
But seriously, Blue historically has the lion's share of Spike-oriented effects.
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Gemstone Caverns wasn't an Invitational winner's card. They just used it anyway, so it technically doesn't count. It was the result of the Invitationals, though, so I'll give you that.
John Finkel's submitted card was not an ophidian, that's just what his became. His original submission was "Wrath of Leknif", which was 1WUU, Sorcery, Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated. Untap up to four lands.
Broken, of course. (and Leknif is Finkel backwards). After they gave him the obvious "NO" on his submission, he settled on an unblockable Ophidian because it was one of his favorite creatures.
Also, Voidmage Prodify is a terrible card compared to what Kai Budde actually submitted. I forgot the name of his submission, but it was U, Enchantment, Your opponents play with their hands revealed. UU, Sacrifice ~this~: Counter target spell.
He made a super-Telepathy. It was the ultimate control player's card; i.e. you got to see what they had and could then decide when to use it to counter a spell. Obviously the "UU, sacrifice ~something~: Counter target spell" part was just put onto a 2cc creature instead. In all honesty, I think the Wizard turned out better than his super-telepathy.
So, it wouldn't surprise me to see that they neutered Tiago Chan's card. He was trying to make blue control *really* good. I think when asked, he said he wished that he could have made that a split card; a Land that tapped for 1 colorless and a Blue instant for 2UU that countered a spell. Basically, gives you the ability to use it early to prevent mana screw, or ultimately becomes a late-game counterspell.
I just hope for the sake of the invitational winner that it doesn't end up becoming Rakdos Augermage 2.0.... that was a lying shame. I think it card was ultimate awesome, and not even broken.
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John Finkel's submitted card was not an ophidian, that's just what his became. His original submission was "Wrath of Leknif", which was 1WUU, Sorcery, Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated. Untap up to four lands.
Broken, of course. (and Leknif is Finkel backwards). After they gave him the obvious "NO" on his submission, he settled on an unblockable Ophidian because it was one of his favorite creatures.
Also, Voidmage Prodify is a terrible card compared to what Kai Budde actually submitted. I forgot the name of his submission, but it was U, Enchantment, Your opponents play with their hands revealed. UU, Sacrifice ~this~: Counter target spell.
He made a super-Telepathy. It was the ultimate control player's card; i.e. you got to see what they had and could then decide when to use it to counter a spell. Obviously the "UU, sacrifice ~something~: Counter target spell" part was just put onto a 2cc creature instead. In all honesty, I think the Wizard turned out better than his super-telepathy.
So, it wouldn't surprise me to see that they neutered Tiago Chan's card. He was trying to make blue control *really* good. I think when asked, he said he wished that he could have made that a split card; a Land that tapped for 1 colorless and a Blue instant for 2UU that countered a spell. Basically, gives you the ability to use it early to prevent mana screw, or ultimately becomes a late-game counterspell.
I just hope for the sake of the invitational winner that it doesn't end up becoming Rakdos Augermage 2.0.... that was a lying shame. I think it card was ultimate awesome, and not even broken.
Kai's also had u, sacrifice this: draw a card, in addition to the counter and telepathy.
Gemstone Caverns wasn't an Invitational winner's card. They just used it anyway, so it technically doesn't count. It was the result of the Invitationals, though, so I'll give you that.
Oh thats good news, i always thought it was an invitational winners card and wizards just nerfed it to pieces, but since it wasnt actually his prize to make a card this is ok.
Sim is funny how awkward the origional card was compaired to its final awesomeness
This land breaks legacy... completely. I PRAY TO GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD they don't print this or a card like this. 43 lands is already the most broken deck in legacy... it just doesn't get played b/c it's very expensive and it's very difficult to play, but if you have the skill and you have a good build of the deck, it's better than every deck.
There's already a number of lands players in my meta, a card like this, in a deck with Life From The Loam that has no trouble accelerating to 4 mana, yeah that would really suck (for the format, not for the lands players).
@Steeloverseer: You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. 43 lands is strong, but nowhere near the top of the ladder, and most builds probably wouldn't bother with something like the original submission anyways. Counterbalance is a much stronger lock, and still is not dominating, or even that competitive without significant support and building around it. Most high-level control decks don't even bother with it.
I see no problems at all with the original proposal. It's an overcosted counterspell or weak land. It makes up for that by being either. The only changes I would make are have it enter the battlefield tapped and add {U} instead of colorless, exchanging colored production for speed. How this would affect the card's strength is dependent on the format; in slower environments like Standard or Limited, it's probably stronger. In faster formats like Legacy, it's worse and possibly not even playable outside very niche builds.
This land breaks legacy... completely. I PRAY TO GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD they don't print this or a card like this. 43 lands is already the most broken deck in legacy... it just doesn't get played b/c it's very expensive and it's very difficult to play, but if you have the skill and you have a good build of the deck, it's better than every deck.
There's already a number of lands players in my meta, a card like this, in a deck with Life From The Loam that has no trouble accelerating to 4 mana, yeah that would really suck (for the format, not for the lands players).
Mental Misstep and the general meta are very unfavorable to Lands. They said it's going to be a creature anyways, so your ignorance of legacy/Lands is irrelevant anyways
John Finkel's submitted card was not an ophidian, that's just what his became. His original submission was "Wrath of Leknif", which was 1WUU, Sorcery, Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated. Untap up to four lands.
Broken, of course. (and Leknif is Finkel backwards). After they gave him the obvious "NO" on his submission, he settled on an unblockable Ophidian because it was one of his favorite creatures.
Joke card is a joke. Finkel knew his submission wouldn't be taken seriously.
I just hope for the sake of the invitational winner that it doesn't end up becoming Rakdos Augermage 2.0.... that was a lying shame. I think it card was ultimate awesome, and not even broken.
Rakdos Augermage honestly could have just used a slightly less prohibitive mana cost and some better Rakdos support (The guild in general wasn't that great). The card itself was an awesome and creative concept (Unless the "discard card of opponent's choice" part wasn't on the original), and he has a sexy 3/2 first strike body for 3.
So when MaRo said the card is good he meant it's a creature... So it's actually not good... At least he is consistently making changes for the worst and calling them making the card better.
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So when MaRo said the card is good he meant it's a creature... So it's actually not good... At least he is consistently making changes for the worst and calling them making the card better.
Considering that they didn't take "Target player gains 9 poison counters" and put it onto a creature, I would say no, it's not terrible. Dark Confidant was just a good card, and it was Bob's second submission following the line of "joke" cards.
The sad part though, is that Tiago's card is very good, and probably should have just been:
Tiago's Land
Legendary Land
T: Add 1 to your mana pool.
2UU, Discard this from hand: Counter target spell. This ability may be countered by spells or abilities.
Even the cost could have been 3UU and it would be find. WotC just does not like blue, and this land would the ultimate blue-player's land. You never put that card in the deck as a land, it's always going in as a spell.
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The problem with defining this format by what is "fun" is that everyone seems to define fun as what they don't lose to. If you keep losing to easily answered cards, that means you should improve your deck. If you don't want to improve your deck, then you should come to peace with the idea that you are going to lose because you chose to not interact with better strategies.
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I would think that if you can win an invitational, but can't design a card, then they just don't print the card.
If someone invited you to write a book, and you wrote "Once upon a time, there was this stuff that happened" and then they published "Once upon a time, something else happened" would it be your book, or theirs? Would you want to be listed as the author with your picture on the cover?
I'm hardly interested. We have enough "good rare" creatures from the rest of the Invitationals already...would it kill to provide a little diversity? I'm not saying this automatically makes the card worse/less interesting, but this card is going to have be exceedingly special to catch my attention now.
Not at all. You just have to be creative, like on Graven Cairns.
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Because it's based on his submission.
None of the invitational cards have been straight up invitational creations as far as I'm aware. Rootwater Thief was closer to Extract/Jester's Cap initially, and wasn't a creature, Finkel was I think an Ophidian with Flying.
They should make the world champs design a card for a specific color, and make the color different each year.
That's because tournament winners are pretty much by definition hardcore spike players. And blue is the color that spikes over the history of the game have gravitated towards. This is also the reason why most of these cards are just plain powerful without doing anything interesting.
You're right; I guess it could be a red or a black counterspell.
Because Blue is OP. Tee-hee.
But seriously, Blue historically has the lion's share of Spike-oriented effects.
Gemstone Caverns wasn't an Invitational winner's card. They just used it anyway, so it technically doesn't count. It was the result of the Invitationals, though, so I'll give you that.
What? Why? Forgotten Ancient was a You Make The Card winner, alongside Crucible of Worlds and Vanish into Memory. Why would those count as Invitational cards?
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Broken, of course. (and Leknif is Finkel backwards). After they gave him the obvious "NO" on his submission, he settled on an unblockable Ophidian because it was one of his favorite creatures.
Also, Voidmage Prodify is a terrible card compared to what Kai Budde actually submitted. I forgot the name of his submission, but it was U, Enchantment, Your opponents play with their hands revealed. UU, Sacrifice ~this~: Counter target spell.
He made a super-Telepathy. It was the ultimate control player's card; i.e. you got to see what they had and could then decide when to use it to counter a spell. Obviously the "UU, sacrifice ~something~: Counter target spell" part was just put onto a 2cc creature instead. In all honesty, I think the Wizard turned out better than his super-telepathy.
So, it wouldn't surprise me to see that they neutered Tiago Chan's card. He was trying to make blue control *really* good. I think when asked, he said he wished that he could have made that a split card; a Land that tapped for 1 colorless and a Blue instant for 2UU that countered a spell. Basically, gives you the ability to use it early to prevent mana screw, or ultimately becomes a late-game counterspell.
I just hope for the sake of the invitational winner that it doesn't end up becoming Rakdos Augermage 2.0.... that was a lying shame. I think it card was ultimate awesome, and not even broken.
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Kai's also had u, sacrifice this: draw a card, in addition to the counter and telepathy.
Why does the color counterspell matter to this discussion?
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Jvlin was trolling (Or just being sacrastic) in my opinion.
And color does matter a lot but the card will still, if it counterspells stuff, be blue. Innistrad not gonna break the pie, sorry.
Oh thats good news, i always thought it was an invitational winners card and wizards just nerfed it to pieces, but since it wasnt actually his prize to make a card this is ok.
Sim is funny how awkward the origional card was compaired to its final awesomeness
There's already a number of lands players in my meta, a card like this, in a deck with Life From The Loam that has no trouble accelerating to 4 mana, yeah that would really suck (for the format, not for the lands players).
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I see no problems at all with the original proposal. It's an overcosted counterspell or weak land. It makes up for that by being either. The only changes I would make are have it enter the battlefield tapped and add {U} instead of colorless, exchanging colored production for speed. How this would affect the card's strength is dependent on the format; in slower environments like Standard or Limited, it's probably stronger. In faster formats like Legacy, it's worse and possibly not even playable outside very niche builds.
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Mental Misstep and the general meta are very unfavorable to Lands. They said it's going to be a creature anyways, so your ignorance of legacy/Lands is irrelevant anyways
Joke card is a joke. Finkel knew his submission wouldn't be taken seriously.
Rakdos Augermage honestly could have just used a slightly less prohibitive mana cost and some better Rakdos support (The guild in general wasn't that great). The card itself was an awesome and creative concept (Unless the "discard card of opponent's choice" part wasn't on the original), and he has a sexy 3/2 first strike body for 3.
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Considering that they didn't take "Target player gains 9 poison counters" and put it onto a creature, I would say no, it's not terrible. Dark Confidant was just a good card, and it was Bob's second submission following the line of "joke" cards.
The sad part though, is that Tiago's card is very good, and probably should have just been:
Tiago's Land
Legendary Land
T: Add 1 to your mana pool.
2UU, Discard this from hand: Counter target spell. This ability may be countered by spells or abilities.
Even the cost could have been 3UU and it would be find. WotC just does not like blue, and this land would the ultimate blue-player's land. You never put that card in the deck as a land, it's always going in as a spell.
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This guy looks quite powerful; he can turn into a possibly cantripping Venser, Shaper Savant with Remand or Echoing Truth in the bin, he can become a blue Mystic Snake with Counterspell in the dump, he starts becoming creature removal with a ditched Path to Exile or Swords to Plowshares, and more. Heck, in Standard, he can Go For the Throat and turn into a more versatile Nekrataal. The possibilities are endless!
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