No, in a format without wasteland, 12post is a viable strategy.
I vote for invasion forward, so that we can play with vindicate, deed, flametongue kavu, UG madness, astral slide, fact or fiction and many other good and balanced cards.
No, in a format without wasteland, 12post is a viable strategy.
I vote for invasion forward, so that we can play with vindicate, deed, flametongue kavu, UG madness, astral slide, fact or fiction and many other good and balanced cards.
Yeah, invasion forward is a much better idea. Nothing from those blocks really compare to the stupidness found in mirrodin, so it wouldn't hurt adding them.
lame ass format is lame. Sure let's make a format for all the cards with new frames and leave out some of the best decks ever. No slide, no madness, no tog, boring. I'll just be hoarding all my faeries again now...
EDIT: and if they really need a ban list for a format like this then it should be
Skullclamp. end of list.
You can't rule out cards before you've even played the god damn format unless they are in fact universally STUPID.
Cool yourself down, there. Warning for trolling/flaming.
If this format is made official I hope they have a Chronicles 2 sort of set to add fun non-degenerate old cards to the Modern pool. Like Cabal Therapy, Land Grant, Fires, Stifle, Mongrel, Orim's Chant, split cards etc. Fetches, even.
If this format is made official I hope they have a Chronicles 2 sort of set to add fun non-degenerate old cards to the Modern pool. Like Cabal Therapy, Land Grant, Fires, Stifle, Mongrel, Orim's Chant, split cards etc. Fetches, even.
Why is having more fetches a good thing? The allied colors already have the better dual lands most of the time, so letting the enemy pairs get something of their own seems fair to me.
Also, all of those things are legal if you play overextended instead of modern.
No, because Chronicles isn't a set, it's a reprint block. (I meant to say block before, not set, my mistake)
ColdSnap is an oddity, since it is technically the 3rd set of the Ice Age Block, so would not be legal for modern magic if only the Blocks 8th edition and forward are legal (though an exception could easily be made.)
The current blocks (and core sets) after 8th edition are 8th, 9th, 10th, M10, M11, Mirrodin Block, Kamigawa Block, Ravnica Block, Time Spiral Block, The Lorwyn/Shadowmoor Superblock. Shards of Alara block, Zendikar Block, Scars of Mirrodin Block and (when it's released) the Innistrad Block and M12.
Saying a Chronicles 2 reprint box would be legal in Modern Magic is like saying that because Counterspell was printed in Jace vs. Chandra, it's legal in Standard.
I know were arguing a hypothetical longshot here, but who said it would be treated as 'reprint box' ala duel decks, FTVs, promos? The original Chronicles was sold in booster packs just like any other new set/expansion. It was also tournament legal in standard/type II at the time. Erhnamgeddon ftw!
You can play those decks in legacy with the same "success" (none) you would have in Overextended. Those decks were never really viable in the past extended rotations.
And i don't know why everybody is so hot about adding overpowered cards like deed, vindicate & FoF. If you want to play them, play legacy :|
On Modo, you won't be able to afford those cards anyway once this format would become legal.
You can play those decks in legacy with the same "success" (none) you would have in Overextended. Those decks were never really viable in the past extended rotations.
And i don't know why everybody is so hot about adding overpowered cards like deed, vindicate & FoF. If you want to play them, play legacy :|
On Modo, you won't be able to afford those cards anyway once this format would become legal.
Slide is the greatest deck ever. I should damn well be able to play it in a new "fixed" legacy.
A Chronicles 2 won't add anything to Modern Magic. MM is only the SETS 8th and forward, not "Anything reprinted in a new card frame."
Chronicles was Type 2 legal when it was released. I remember Erhnam Geddon was a contender back during Ice Age Type 2, it was when I started playing. There's precedent for making a reprint set legal in sanctioned formats. A 15 year old precedent, but still.
Also, all of those things are legal if you play overextended instead of modern.
I know that. I’d rather they chose Invasion as the starting point too. Chronicles 2 the quickest way I thought of to amend that. Ideally they would just make it Invasion forward, just like the suggested Overextended.
Wotc (or, more specifically, DCI) doesn't like to admit mistakes; based on what I've seen/heard, the format change from old Extended to Neutered-Extended(Neu-Ext.?) has been a mistake. Modern Magic seems to be their attempt at fixing it, rather than allowing the Over-Extended many have been clamoring for. Time will tell if it sticks, or if they have to eventually go with O-Ext.
You know the 15 new cards in each Commander deck that will be "legal in Eternal"... I wonder if they'll also be legal in Modern?
I'd say no and for the same reason that Dark Ritual won't be legal. IE: Printed outside of a block/ base set in a 'stand alone' type product.
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You know the 15 new cards in each Commander deck that will be "legal in Eternal"... I wonder if they'll also be legal in Modern?
I highly doubt it. Much like the From the Vault series, we'll see a lot of reprints with a few new goodies but, unless the cards are reprinted in a future block trilogy or core set, it won't be Standard/Modern legal.
After reading through some of the posts in this thread, I'm surprised that a few people really think that Troll needed to be banned. I've been testing out various builds since about Modern was announced and I can say with a good deal of confidence that banning him does nothing but kick Dredge in the gut when it's already down.
Assuming Troll wasn't banned, the move over to this format still slows down the deck substantially. Careful Study becomes a combination of either Burning Inquiry (the only 1 cmc draw/discard spell for more than 1 card, but it's random discard hasn't been testing well), Magus of the Bazaar or Ideas Unbound, and the Breakthrough/Cephalid Colosseum equivalent would be Goblin Lore, kind of.. So right there, our draw+discard power is slowed down by 1-2 turns
Discard outlets: Putrid Imp and Tireless Tribe to Oona's Prowler... Magus of the Bazaar doubles as a discard outlet and seems to be the best option for the 2nd discard outlet because everything else at 2 cmc requires tapping to discard anyway, and Magus is versatile. Again, put in an extra turn of being slowed down.
Then we get Bloodghast in place of Ichorid, which is a bit of pain, since we have spells that need 2 cmc, 2 lands, and we're only running max 17-18 lands without loosening the deck list too much to accommodate the 2 cmc spells (Legacy builds run about 14 lands but only have to worry about casting 1 cmc spells). Running Ghast makes us want to play Dakmor Salvage and Oboro, Palace in the Clouds and Life from the Loam, which only slows the deck down more (I'm not planning to include them except for Loam of course)
Either way, the banning of Troll seems like an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction to me. I think the deck would be slow paced enough in this format in having to run more lands and in having the slow-down in draw+discard spells and discard outlets, and having our recurring black guy being swapped out for an inferior one. I'd even go as far as saying that my initial testing doesn't look too promising on Dredge being a Tier 1 deck in Modern format, I've made so many configurations and nothing seems to work smoothly.
Anyway, if I understand correctly, this is still a preliminary engagement, so there's always the possibility that this'll transfer over to paper as a modified format, perhaps with a different ban list and a wider range of included sets (hopefully starting from Invasion)...
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I wonder if there will be a sort of "meeting of the minds" at WotC to basically create "Overextended" out of this. Or, if they might just adopt this for future 1.X events.
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I vote for invasion forward, so that we can play with vindicate, deed, flametongue kavu, UG madness, astral slide, fact or fiction and many other good and balanced cards.
Yeah, invasion forward is a much better idea. Nothing from those blocks really compare to the stupidness found in mirrodin, so it wouldn't hurt adding them.
Well, maybe storm.
EDIT: and if they really need a ban list for a format like this then it should be
Skullclamp. end of list.
You can't rule out cards before you've even played the god damn format unless they are in fact universally STUPID.
Cool yourself down, there. Warning for trolling/flaming.
Edit: Oh, hey, Modern is a format.
Why is having more fetches a good thing? The allied colors already have the better dual lands most of the time, so letting the enemy pairs get something of their own seems fair to me.
Also, all of those things are legal if you play overextended instead of modern.
Dredge cards (ichorid putrid imp tireless tribe cabal therapy breakthrough careful study cephalid coliseum)
Filter lands (darkwater catacombs)
Black dual lands (tainted isle)
General good cards ( living wish burning wish cunning wish carreful study wild mongrel aquamoeba basking rootwalla circular logic wonder nimble mongoose psicheatog barbarian ring buried alive cabal coffers chainer's edict deep analysisdivert entomb genesis ghastly demise glory grim lavamancer innocent blood moment's peace nantuko monastery standstill sylvan safekeeper terravore werebear)
But if they did print a "Chronicles 2", wouldnt it be a "SETS 8th and forward" just as Coldsnap is and Innistrad will be?
I know were arguing a hypothetical longshot here, but who said it would be treated as 'reprint box' ala duel decks, FTVs, promos? The original Chronicles was sold in booster packs just like any other new set/expansion. It was also tournament legal in standard/type II at the time. Erhnamgeddon ftw!
You can play those decks in legacy with the same "success" (none) you would have in Overextended. Those decks were never really viable in the past extended rotations.
And i don't know why everybody is so hot about adding overpowered cards like deed, vindicate & FoF. If you want to play them, play legacy :|
On Modo, you won't be able to afford those cards anyway once this format would become legal.
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Slide is the greatest deck ever. I should damn well be able to play it in a new "fixed" legacy.
I can see why they would ban chrome mox especially given the insane turn one plays that can happen for example:
T1: Land, Mox, Simian spirit guide/pyretic ritual, Trinisphere
or even worse:
T1: god hand, dragonstorm
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Except for when you cascade into another chrome mox and lose.
It always seems to blow my mind how many people really dont understand how cascade works...
Chronicles was Type 2 legal when it was released. I remember Erhnam Geddon was a contender back during Ice Age Type 2, it was when I started playing. There's precedent for making a reprint set legal in sanctioned formats. A 15 year old precedent, but still.
I know that. I’d rather they chose Invasion as the starting point too. Chronicles 2 the quickest way I thought of to amend that. Ideally they would just make it Invasion forward, just like the suggested Overextended.
I'd say no and for the same reason that Dark Ritual won't be legal. IE: Printed outside of a block/ base set in a 'stand alone' type product.
Legendary Creature – Human Designer (MR)
Brian Tinsman, Set Designer can only be cast during the third set of a block.
When Brian Tinsman, Set Designer enters the battlefield, ignore all flavor and mechanics of the first two sets in the block.
"Ok so what do we have here... gothic horror? Scrap it. Expand the Devine Vs. Demonic duel deck to 244 cards and print it!"
2/2
Probably not until it's an actual format. Probably not at all. Too early to tell.
I highly doubt it. Much like the From the Vault series, we'll see a lot of reprints with a few new goodies but, unless the cards are reprinted in a future block trilogy or core set, it won't be Standard/Modern legal.
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Assuming Troll wasn't banned, the move over to this format still slows down the deck substantially. Careful Study becomes a combination of either Burning Inquiry (the only 1 cmc draw/discard spell for more than 1 card, but it's random discard hasn't been testing well), Magus of the Bazaar or Ideas Unbound, and the Breakthrough/Cephalid Colosseum equivalent would be Goblin Lore, kind of.. So right there, our draw+discard power is slowed down by 1-2 turns
Discard outlets: Putrid Imp and Tireless Tribe to Oona's Prowler... Magus of the Bazaar doubles as a discard outlet and seems to be the best option for the 2nd discard outlet because everything else at 2 cmc requires tapping to discard anyway, and Magus is versatile. Again, put in an extra turn of being slowed down.
Then we get Bloodghast in place of Ichorid, which is a bit of pain, since we have spells that need 2 cmc, 2 lands, and we're only running max 17-18 lands without loosening the deck list too much to accommodate the 2 cmc spells (Legacy builds run about 14 lands but only have to worry about casting 1 cmc spells). Running Ghast makes us want to play Dakmor Salvage and Oboro, Palace in the Clouds and Life from the Loam, which only slows the deck down more (I'm not planning to include them except for Loam of course)
Either way, the banning of Troll seems like an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction to me. I think the deck would be slow paced enough in this format in having to run more lands and in having the slow-down in draw+discard spells and discard outlets, and having our recurring black guy being swapped out for an inferior one. I'd even go as far as saying that my initial testing doesn't look too promising on Dredge being a Tier 1 deck in Modern format, I've made so many configurations and nothing seems to work smoothly.
Anyway, if I understand correctly, this is still a preliminary engagement, so there's always the possibility that this'll transfer over to paper as a modified format, perhaps with a different ban list and a wider range of included sets (hopefully starting from Invasion)...
/rant of a disappointed dredge enthusiast
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That's great news. Here's hoping for some more hints, and ultimately for confirmation.
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