We went through more than 2 cards earlier on in this thread.
Memory Adept has quite a lot of synergy with his Archivist and Erasure. Ultimate is a complete bomb with both, the up ability works well with Erasure, and the up makes you and your opponent draw more cards with the Archivist (in the name of getting them out of your opponent's library), and gets nasty with Erasure. All three work together very well.
Fake Garruk however, has 0 synergy with either of his name cards. If he had Worldy Tutor for -2 (or something), and the wording was fixed to be "up to" like it is on the fake Chandra, then I would be inclined to believe these cards. But since he has 0 synergy with his name cards, and his up ability doesn't work properly, he is most definitely fake.
Its like I was saying earlier- its subtle synergy, not "bonk you over the head with its bluntness" synergy. Garruk and his Horde don't directly interact- they complement each other. Garruk poops creatures, the horde poops creatures. Together, they poop multiple creatures a turn without putting a drain on your resources, since one eats mana and the other eats loyalty.
Jace's interaction is hardly direct- yes, like you said, it can magnify with one another to mill someone fast. But can't the Horde do that with Garruk to overwhelm someone fast (or overextend, if you want to look practically)?
so, I'm just gonna stick up for the mod here (seriously out of character for me), but the verdict wasn't that they're fake. The verdict was simply that there's not enough credible evidence at this time to accept them on their own. On that line of reasoning it makes sense. These could be real for all the arguments stating that they may not be fake, but right now the burden is leaning towards them not fitting more than it is that they're real. With a lack of credible a source it just serves to derail conversation until we can have verification. So, in the meantime I think he's right that it's just easier not to dwell on them. They should be officially spoiled soon enough since they're meant to be major set sellers, and those generally come first.
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so, I'm just gonna stick up for the mod here (seriously out of character for me), but the verdict wasn't that they're fake. The verdict was simply that there's not enough credible evidence at this time to accept them on their own. On that line of reasoning it makes sense. These could be real for all the arguments stating that they may not be fake, but right now the burden is leaning towards them not fitting more than it is that they're real. With a lack of credible a source it just serves to derail conversation until we can have verification. So, in the meantime I think he's right that it's just easier not to dwell on them. They should be officially spoiled soon enough since they're meant to be major set sellers, and those generally come first.
Especially when we already had this thread to talk about them in.
Its like I was saying earlier- its subtle synergy, not "bonk you over the head with its bluntness" synergy. Garruk and his Horde don't directly interact- they complement each other. Garruk poops creatures, the horde poops creatures. Together, they poop multiple creatures a turn without putting a drain on your resources, since one eats mana and the other eats loyalty.
Jace's interaction is hardly direct- yes, like you said, it can magnify with one another to mill someone fast. But can't the Horde do that with Garruk to overwhelm someone fast (or overextend, if you want to look practically)?
Complimenting isn't synergy. I can say your mother looks very nice today, but we won't have any synergy when I say that. The core set walkers are suppose to directly synergize with their name cards (the rares at least).
And, Jace's interaction with his Archivist is direct entirely. I really don't see how it isn't. I won't even bother with this one.
People are making some pretty good arguments about the cards, specifically the abilities, but I still personally feel they are fake.
There is something suspicious about the bottom of each card/sleeve that I can't put my finger on. The white from the 'flash' seems to conveniently cover up the perfect areas.
@ Clan_Iraq: Eldrazi breaking the number crunch is a special case where they let a certain type of card break the rules and be first. Since Jace isn't out of order, we can't say Chandra is special and will magically appear where she doesn't belong.
People are making some pretty good arguments about the cards, specifically the abilities, but I still personally feel they are fake.
There is something suspicious about the bottom of each card/sleeve that I can't put my finger on. The white from the 'flash' seems to conveniently cover up the perfect areas.
Or maybe I'm just staring at them for too long.
It would be impossible to photoshop. They're real prints in real sleeves being really photographed, not a constructed image. It doesn't mean the cards weren't just printed on paper, cut and slapped in sleeves, however. Compare to other spoilers we've gotten;
Where do the cards come from? In this pristine condition they couldn't be playtest cards- they'd be more worn. These have no folds or wrinkles and its hard to tell their depth from this angle, but they could easily be thin paper counterfeits. Their photographing position is not something an amateur would do- they're on a clear background, very centered and focused and made extremely spotless. Are the bottom things pins, sticking through them? Was this photographed upside down, with them hanging off pivots so that they would be apart at an angle, and the cards basically discarded after that (hence the attention to detail). Or are they chips, this someones floor, and they were put there to cover up imperfections on the counterfeits?
If these are real, Garruk's name is grammatically WRONG! It should be "Garruk, Predator" We know his last name is Wildspeaker, so unless they change his last name to Predator (and do a damn good job of explaining it away) then they've ****ed up.
I thought the exact thing. But then i saw Ajani Vengeant was similarly worded, so i tossed out that arguement ):
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It would be impossible to photoshop. They're real prints in real sleeves being really photographed, not a constructed image. It doesn't mean the cards weren't just printed on paper, cut and slapped in sleeves, however. Compare to other spoilers we've gotten;
Where do the cards come from? In this pristine condition they couldn't be playtest cards- they'd be more worn. These have no folds or wrinkles and its hard to tell their depth from this angle, but they could easily be thin paper counterfeits.
The set comes out sooner rather than later. Not unheard of for someone to have gotten ahold of product.
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if you use Jace's ultimate, then activate the archivist you can make a specific player draw 40 cards in a single turn. If that's not synergy with a planeswalker focused on milling, then i don't know what it is
If you use Jace's ultimate, it's very unlikely you need the Archivist to help you win. Plus, if the Archivist gets killed in response to Jace's activation you're in trouble.
The biggest synergy between the two is Archivist being able to chump block to protect Jace.
well, at first, due to the cards, i expected garruk's ability to be something to put a creature from the library to put it on top of it to be casted using garruk's horde, which is why i dont believe that guy's real,
Are the bottom things pins, sticking through them? Was this photographed upside down, with them hanging off pivots so that they would be apart at an angle, and the cards basically discarded after that (hence the attention to detail). Or are they chips, this someones floor, and they were put there to cover up imperfections on the counterfeits?
Actually, the things on the bottom could be part of the sleeves. A few of my friends have sleeves with a little shiny dot like that on them.
The thing about the Chandra that bugs me, aside from the possible numbering issue, is having her and Sorin in the same set, with nearly identical abilities, but the burn color(red) loses loyalty for this act and the black gains2 loyalty for it. I realize that cmc, and starting loyalty play into this, but it seems weird, if real, to have two planeswalkers in the same set do nearly identical things. Yes, Sorin can hit players too, but it is essentially 2 damage to a creature, 2 point lifeswing for both of them. Makes me somewhat sad if she is real. The garruk, like the original, is very good. Ramp into slime, blow up your land. Beast within one on the way. Play garruk, blow up a land, swing with something and repeat. I'll buy a set of that guy. His name is very poorly done though, people are right about that. His name was Wildspeaker. We know that because all of the Lorwyn 5 were first-last name on their cards. Garruk Predator(as opposed to Garruk, Predator) literally means he's hunting Garruk's. Maybe he's a confused teenager trying to find himself...
Looking at them again, the glare is kind of bugging me on the bottoms. It's almost like the black card border is reacting to the light different than the art work black just above it. Looking at Garruck, that light ends right where the black border would, and then the card art starts. Like they might be two different inks...
Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
If you use Jace's ultimate, it's very unlikely you need the Archivist to help you win. Plus, if the Archivist gets killed in response to Jace's activation you're in trouble.
The biggest synergy between the two is Archivist being able to chump block to protect Jace.
because a fully untapped blue player cannot protect a creature from spot removal...
I still think these are 100% fake. Its not the picture that fails the photoshop test, its the design of the cards that do. I would be really really surprised if these where true.
because a fully untapped blue player cannot protect a creature from spot removal...
I think you guys have truly entered the country of Winmoaristan when you start debating how to make people draw "Another 20 cards". Whats next, going to level up that echo mage for your kicked rite of replication + radiate deck? O_o
I still think these are 100% fake. Its not the picture that fails the photoshop test, its the design of the cards that do. I would be really really surprised if these where true.
If its fake, I think the only tells would be the collector number on chandra. The designs are actually surprisingly good and subtle, and work in tons of very polished ways. Its like Palegrim was saying earlier. Hell, if these are fake, and theres new PW'ers, I bet these cards would be better designed.
What's "Wildspeaker"?
And "Garruk Predatory" would most certainly not be ok!
Wildspeaker is a proper noun and part of his name, so even though it's a noun it's okay. I'm guessing that he didn't change his last name to 'Predator!'
Garruk Predatory sounds really dumb, of course, but Garruk Predator is even worse. Is it a new form of predator named after Garruk? That's okay. Is it his new name? Also okay. Used as an adjective? Not okay.
Let's use Ajani as an example again-- Ajani Vengeant is okay, because it's an adjective describing him. It's a bit weird for English, but it's acceptable. Ajani Vengeance is unacceptable, because it's a name and a noun without any other explanation. Like Chandra Ablaze-- that's in the Noun Adjective structure too, but if it were Chandra Blaze it wouldn't be alright unless that were her surname.
"Wildspeaker" is his last name. That's why it can be used without a comma. Predator is wrong. I don't know how this passed the person that faked it. Maybe they don't speak English as their main language, that would explain it, and these pictures were from "a French website."
I don't understand why people think the name is weird. Karn Liberated is basically the same thing. That should have a comma as well. Wizards does adhere to naming conventions at times, and other times tends to shatter them at will. Garruk Predator. Get into it.
I don't understand why people think the name is weird. Karn Liberated is basically the same thing. That should have a comma as well. Wizards does adhere to naming conventions at times, and other times tends to shatter them at will. Garruk Predator. Get into it.
Liberated is an adjective, not a noun. See my previous post. 'Noun Noun' is not an acceptable writing convention in any language, as far as I know, although 'Noun Adjective' is uncommon but perfectly fine.
Edit-- I'm betting that it's a translation error from a French guy who wanted to try his hand at creating a sensation. 'Noun Adjective' is the proper form in (all?) romance languages (like Perro Rojo means Dog Red, but it would translate to Red Dog), so he probably kept that form and mistranslated Predator. Speculation, of course, but it's more plausible than everyone at Wizards not speaking English.
I don't understand why people think the name is weird. Karn Liberated is basically the same thing. That should have a comma as well. Wizards does adhere to naming conventions at times, and other times tends to shatter them at will. Garruk Predator. Get into it.
Karn Liberated is perfectly fine without a comma. If you don't know the technical rules of the English language, you can even just say it out loud, and, at least for me, Karn Liberated sounds good, whereas Garruk Predator either sounds like it's something that hunts Garruks, or it just isn't correct wording. Correct would be the following:
Garruk, Predator
I have to say, this fake isn't even good. If you're going to go through and take the time to make a fake just to have a rumble on the internet for 2 days before the real thing is spoiled, you could at least use correct grammar, and design the card in a way that doesn't scream "this is fake," because both Chandra and Garruk are yelling it.
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We went through more than 2 cards earlier on in this thread.
Its like I was saying earlier- its subtle synergy, not "bonk you over the head with its bluntness" synergy. Garruk and his Horde don't directly interact- they complement each other. Garruk poops creatures, the horde poops creatures. Together, they poop multiple creatures a turn without putting a drain on your resources, since one eats mana and the other eats loyalty.
Jace's interaction is hardly direct- yes, like you said, it can magnify with one another to mill someone fast. But can't the Horde do that with Garruk to overwhelm someone fast (or overextend, if you want to look practically)?
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Especially when we already had this thread to talk about them in.
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Complimenting isn't synergy. I can say your mother looks very nice today, but we won't have any synergy when I say that. The core set walkers are suppose to directly synergize with their name cards (the rares at least).
And, Jace's interaction with his Archivist is direct entirely. I really don't see how it isn't. I won't even bother with this one.
There is something suspicious about the bottom of each card/sleeve that I can't put my finger on. The white from the 'flash' seems to conveniently cover up the perfect areas.
Or maybe I'm just staring at them for too long.
It would be impossible to photoshop. They're real prints in real sleeves being really photographed, not a constructed image. It doesn't mean the cards weren't just printed on paper, cut and slapped in sleeves, however. Compare to other spoilers we've gotten;
Where do the cards come from? In this pristine condition they couldn't be playtest cards- they'd be more worn. These have no folds or wrinkles and its hard to tell their depth from this angle, but they could easily be thin paper counterfeits. Their photographing position is not something an amateur would do- they're on a clear background, very centered and focused and made extremely spotless. Are the bottom things pins, sticking through them? Was this photographed upside down, with them hanging off pivots so that they would be apart at an angle, and the cards basically discarded after that (hence the attention to detail). Or are they chips, this someones floor, and they were put there to cover up imperfections on the counterfeits?
I thought the exact thing. But then i saw Ajani Vengeant was similarly worded, so i tossed out that arguement ):
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Dark Ritual: What are you doing? That's obviously better than the other three!
Ancestral Recall: Seriously? You want us to make this a common? Really?
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Pick one.
There is NO reason to ever preorder a mythic. The only 'legitimate' one is if you are playing a high level event on the release weekend.
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If you use Jace's ultimate, it's very unlikely you need the Archivist to help you win. Plus, if the Archivist gets killed in response to Jace's activation you're in trouble.
The biggest synergy between the two is Archivist being able to chump block to protect Jace.
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Vengeant is an adjective, which is appropriate to use following a proper noun without a comma. Predator is a noun, which doesn't work so well.
Garruk Predatory would be okay.
What's "Wildspeaker"?
And "Garruk Predatory" would most certainly not be ok!
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Actually, the things on the bottom could be part of the sleeves. A few of my friends have sleeves with a little shiny dot like that on them.
Looking at them again, the glare is kind of bugging me on the bottoms. It's almost like the black card border is reacting to the light different than the art work black just above it. Looking at Garruck, that light ends right where the black border would, and then the card art starts. Like they might be two different inks...
w/e. we'll all find out in the next week I guess.
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because a fully untapped blue player cannot protect a creature from spot removal...
I still think these are 100% fake. Its not the picture that fails the photoshop test, its the design of the cards that do. I would be really really surprised if these where true.
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I think you guys have truly entered the country of Winmoaristan when you start debating how to make people draw "Another 20 cards". Whats next, going to level up that echo mage for your kicked rite of replication + radiate deck? O_o
If its fake, I think the only tells would be the collector number on chandra. The designs are actually surprisingly good and subtle, and work in tons of very polished ways. Its like Palegrim was saying earlier. Hell, if these are fake, and theres new PW'ers, I bet these cards would be better designed.
Wildspeaker is a proper noun and part of his name, so even though it's a noun it's okay. I'm guessing that he didn't change his last name to 'Predator!'
Garruk Predatory sounds really dumb, of course, but Garruk Predator is even worse. Is it a new form of predator named after Garruk? That's okay. Is it his new name? Also okay. Used as an adjective? Not okay.
Let's use Ajani as an example again-- Ajani Vengeant is okay, because it's an adjective describing him. It's a bit weird for English, but it's acceptable. Ajani Vengeance is unacceptable, because it's a name and a noun without any other explanation. Like Chandra Ablaze-- that's in the Noun Adjective structure too, but if it were Chandra Blaze it wouldn't be alright unless that were her surname.
That's why Garruk strikes me as a forgery.
"Wildspeaker" is his last name. That's why it can be used without a comma. Predator is wrong. I don't know how this passed the person that faked it. Maybe they don't speak English as their main language, that would explain it, and these pictures were from "a French website."
Liberated is an adjective, not a noun. See my previous post. 'Noun Noun' is not an acceptable writing convention in any language, as far as I know, although 'Noun Adjective' is uncommon but perfectly fine.
Edit-- I'm betting that it's a translation error from a French guy who wanted to try his hand at creating a sensation. 'Noun Adjective' is the proper form in (all?) romance languages (like Perro Rojo means Dog Red, but it would translate to Red Dog), so he probably kept that form and mistranslated Predator. Speculation, of course, but it's more plausible than everyone at Wizards not speaking English.
Karn Liberated is perfectly fine without a comma. If you don't know the technical rules of the English language, you can even just say it out loud, and, at least for me, Karn Liberated sounds good, whereas Garruk Predator either sounds like it's something that hunts Garruks, or it just isn't correct wording. Correct would be the following:
Garruk, Predator
I have to say, this fake isn't even good. If you're going to go through and take the time to make a fake just to have a rumble on the internet for 2 days before the real thing is spoiled, you could at least use correct grammar, and design the card in a way that doesn't scream "this is fake," because both Chandra and Garruk are yelling it.