Its not jaded, its the fact that around turn 4 is when you need to put your opponent at the critical death threshold due to Jace and the titans.
This gal does nothing immediately on the turn you need to be putting your opponent down or so close that its possible to kill them even if they resolve a primeval/grave titan.
Ajani Goldmane would be better in an aggressive deck at the same CMC.
Look at Ranger of Eos, at the same CMC he searches out 2 1 drops regardless if he gets to attack. Where as she has to attack on turn 5 to do anything.
Battlecry will be more relevant in red where there is an abundance of haste I imagine.
I don,t understand your logic, if it is possible to play a 6CMC titan on turn 4, how is it not possible to cast Hero of Bladehold earlier than said turn 4?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
If there is such a thing as too much power, I have not discovered it!
I think they'll print black-green and red-white duals to coincide with the two factions, but that's it. If they even bother with the remaining three color pairs, they'll be in New Phyrexia/Mirrodin Pure.
You really think wizards would do that? If you take a look at the number crunch there is space for 5 lands. Now I'm not going to toot my horn here but I'd lay money on that they will print enemy lands all 5 this set.
As for the promo I dont think she'll see much play outside a knight deck and if she does it would be a sub par weenie deck. I say sub par because well 4 drop and all. Yes yes I know wrath saw play with white weenie main for a reset as a 4 drop but she does not do this. She wont see play with elspeth in a WW deck because again 4 drop. k done ranting.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"On top of that, if you ever manage to T2 Lead the Stampede, fill your hand, and pitch two Vengevines on your cleanup phase, the sky rains kittens wearing tophats, each carrying a sock full of quarters. True story."
For more you get a 6/6 body that makes 2 2/2s each time it attacks(and when it comes into play) and is in a better color.
I also don't see any possible deck for this card to go in.
Might have some future potential, but right now I'm not expecting much out of it.
2 mana is a lot, until now there was no reason to play midrange, also it can be pumped with honor of the pure and that's relevant, if the set has at least one more good card to go with this one at a low cmc then midrange may be viable.
I really think we need some deck that interacts in the red zone, so far we have all-in aggro, combo and control but no real combats.
2 mana is a lot, until now there was no reason to play midrange, also it can be pumped with honor of the pure and that's relevant, if the set has at least one more good card to go with this one at a low cmc then midrange may be viable.
I really think we need some deck that interacts in the red zone, so far we have all-in aggro, combo and control but no real combats.
2 mana is a lot. I'm sure because of how cheap the creature is, you can find other ways to spend the 2 extra mana so it doesn't go to waste like use it for something productive like removal.
This thing is pretty solid. Pretty darn solid. It could even serve as a psuedo finisher in a control-esque build at such a low CC. Baneslayer still gets a little bit of play due to the fact it's one mana less than Titans, this is two mana less and demands an immediate answer or things will get out of hand very quickly in the same fashion Elspeth 1.0 could get out of hand very quickly. Of course the card is tailored more towards Boros-style builds, or WW, but its applications in control builds are present. How dominant it'll be will remain to be seen as more spoilers are released, but it's a very very very good card.
Also, Hero of Bladehold is kinda hot, so there's that going for it too.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Legacy: TES
EDH: Grand Arbiter $tax, Freyalise Stompy, Mimeoplasm Death From the Grave
1. 4-mana creatures don't need to have ETB triggers to be playable. Just look at Abyssal Persecutor.
2. Journey to Nowhere. Offending obstruction removed. Proceed to beat face.
A 4 mana creature has to be very good without having an ETB effect to be played. Persecutor is one of those, just kinda like baneslayer. This knight is not because it needs to attack to do something, and you don't control the soldiers it makes, they just attack even when they have a 3/3 to block. The tokens can't stand back and chumpblock unless a turn after they haven't been blocked.
They print an entire cycle of stupidly overpowered mythic cards and now every single creature that costs more than 3 mana has to have an etb trigger just to have a chance of being played. I'm sure this card could have been awesome just a couple of years ago.
Hopefully Goblin Wardriver is a real card and has some sort of similar effect with cheaper cost for lower p/t.
7 damage for 4 mana. This is good. Its better than rare imo, but not as good as mythic. Its a really good card, pure and simple. I can see this being the focus of Maros next article on "why we've given white amazing cards as we feel white has no identity in the colour pie any more and its been shafted for too long, and yes we are ignoring the fact that white weenie has been the minimum of Tier 1.5 since Kamigawa"
T1 Elite Vanguard
T2 Honor of the Pure, in for 3
T3 Hada Freeblade, Kazandu Blademaster, in for 3
T4 Hero of Bladehold, in for 9
T5 swing for lots?
EDH, on the other hand, is more like a monster truck rally. It's more about the spectacle than the race, the games go long, and it's not usually clear who's in the lead until there's only one truck left.*
Single player EDH is like two guys smacking each other with pillows... until one of them pulls out a shotgun.
honestly in my testing shes really good in knights if you look at knights as midrange, not white weenie...
Yea i did some testing this morning with the knights we currently have. She is great as a 2 or 3 of but whenever i saw her beginning hand i sighed because that 4 is just too much atm. I was using the 2 drop leveler and student for levelers and that was it so it wasnt mana intensive and the 2 drop leveler was great with honor and exemplar. I honestly would take her out of the deck main for day until i see some lower cost drops with battlecry.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"On top of that, if you ever manage to T2 Lead the Stampede, fill your hand, and pitch two Vengevines on your cleanup phase, the sky rains kittens wearing tophats, each carrying a sock full of quarters. True story."
Well, this fine lady presents an interesting conundrum for me... Which faction do I pick at prerelease now? If I pick Phyrexian, I can maybe get a buncha stuff for my proliferate deck... But if I pick Mirran, I definitely get at least one Hero of Bladehold for my Boros deck...
Decisions, decisions...
You pick the fraction with Tezzeret.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
My Trade List:
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=464601"]http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=464601[/URL]
[/URL]
Mana Sculpting Website
[URL="http://www.manasculpting.com"]http://www.manasculpting.com[/URL]
My Favorite Card Shop
[URL="http://www.lakegenevagames.com"]http://www.lakegenevagames.com[/URL]
Link to Spreadsheet
[URL="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmFoCWkfIKPIdFNZTFRDdXFyWE4yY2tPRWhWZ1pYUUE&usp=sharing"]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmFoCWkfIKPIdFNZTFRDdXFyWE4yY2tPRWhWZ1pYUUE&usp=sharing[/URL]
I think that if there are at least 3 more white creatures with battle cry in this set, this ability will be incredible. have this guy, and another battle cry attacking. you'd end up with a 4/4, x+1/x, and two 3/1's. all attacking. add in honor of the pure, etc, and this could be ridiculous.
It's a triggered ability, so yeah, all creatures except the Battle Cry creatures would get +2/+0. Each Battle Cry creature only gets +1/+0 (since each Battle Cry creature won't affect themselves but will get other Battle Cry creatures' bonuses).
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
http://cglhixson.blogspot.com/ - A blog for anyone in the Hixson, TN area to scope out a small-town, small-time Magic "league."
If only we had a Lightning Greaves-type card in Standard right now. Even if it was a Lightning Greaves that didn't give protection, I would still want play that in a deck with this guy.
Hero of Bladehold could be more important foe Extended in a knights tribal deck. Willt-Leaf Liege, Kinsblade Cavalier, and Knight Exemplar can be used as lords, Knight of the Reliquary and Knight of Meadowgrain are there for some nice beatdown.
I don,t understand your logic, if it is possible to play a 6CMC titan on turn 4, how is it not possible to cast Hero of Bladehold earlier than said turn 4?
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
Um...I don't think you've played standard the last 2 years?
You really think wizards would do that? If you take a look at the number crunch there is space for 5 lands. Now I'm not going to toot my horn here but I'd lay money on that they will print enemy lands all 5 this set.
As for the promo I dont think she'll see much play outside a knight deck and if she does it would be a sub par weenie deck. I say sub par because well 4 drop and all. Yes yes I know wrath saw play with white weenie main for a reset as a 4 drop but she does not do this. She wont see play with elspeth in a WW deck because again 4 drop. k done ranting.
2 mana is a lot, until now there was no reason to play midrange, also it can be pumped with honor of the pure and that's relevant, if the set has at least one more good card to go with this one at a low cmc then midrange may be viable.
I really think we need some deck that interacts in the red zone, so far we have all-in aggro, combo and control but no real combats.
Uh, not really. Extended has way more going for it than that.
2 mana is a lot. I'm sure because of how cheap the creature is, you can find other ways to spend the 2 extra mana so it doesn't go to waste like use it for something productive like removal.
Also, Hero of Bladehold is kinda hot, so there's that going for it too.
EDH: Grand Arbiter $tax, Freyalise Stompy, Mimeoplasm Death From the Grave
A 4 mana creature has to be very good without having an ETB effect to be played. Persecutor is one of those, just kinda like baneslayer. This knight is not because it needs to attack to do something, and you don't control the soldiers it makes, they just attack even when they have a 3/3 to block. The tokens can't stand back and chumpblock unless a turn after they haven't been blocked.
Hopefully Goblin Wardriver is a real card and has some sort of similar effect with cheaper cost for lower p/t.
T1 Elite Vanguard
T2 Honor of the Pure, in for 3
T3 Hada Freeblade, Kazandu Blademaster, in for 3
T4 Hero of Bladehold, in for 9
T5 swing for lots?
On building a Celestial Kirin Stax EDH:
Edit: Oh, hey, Modern is a format.
Yea i did some testing this morning with the knights we currently have. She is great as a 2 or 3 of but whenever i saw her beginning hand i sighed because that 4 is just too much atm. I was using the 2 drop leveler and student for levelers and that was it so it wasnt mana intensive and the 2 drop leveler was great with honor and exemplar. I honestly would take her out of the deck main for day until i see some lower cost drops with battlecry.
You pick the fraction with Tezzeret.
[URL="http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=464601"]http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=464601[/URL]
[/URL]
Mana Sculpting Website
[URL="http://www.manasculpting.com"]http://www.manasculpting.com[/URL]
My Favorite Card Shop
[URL="http://www.lakegenevagames.com"]http://www.lakegenevagames.com[/URL]
Link to Spreadsheet
[URL="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmFoCWkfIKPIdFNZTFRDdXFyWE4yY2tPRWhWZ1pYUUE&usp=sharing"]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmFoCWkfIKPIdFNZTFRDdXFyWE4yY2tPRWhWZ1pYUUE&usp=sharing[/URL]
t2 Renegade Doppelganger
t3 haste creature thing
t4 swing for game
that would be sick
T1- Birds
T2- Strider
T3- Honor and a steppe lynx
T4- This chick and equip the harness, swing with lynx (fetchland obvsly) and the little guys.
Ofc it's just an idea, but it could work, in a GW midrangish deck or even monowhite. Im brainstorming with this card, wanna have a full set of them.
BR RkDW-Aggro | UBR Cruel Grixis-Control
Legacy:
WW Soldier Tribal-Aggro| WW Stax-Control
Modern:
RW Artifact Boros-Aggro | GB The Rock-Midrange
It's a triggered ability, so yeah, all creatures except the Battle Cry creatures would get +2/+0. Each Battle Cry creature only gets +1/+0 (since each Battle Cry creature won't affect themselves but will get other Battle Cry creatures' bonuses).
Hero of Bladehold could be more important foe Extended in a knights tribal deck. Willt-Leaf Liege, Kinsblade Cavalier, and Knight Exemplar can be used as lords, Knight of the Reliquary and Knight of Meadowgrain are there for some nice beatdown.
You can find me on MTGO. My username is gereffi.