If anyone remembers doomsday specter, this guy is a little better (not having to bounce a guy is helpful, and lobotomy > coercion), but is probably not a constructed-quality card.
i think this card is Freakin' awesome just imagine zoo with this even on the draw u flex "Nutz" any mana drawing the extra card u can pitch and turning up the gas on tempo and it still taps for mana easily a 3 of most likely a 4 of
Not exactly, this hits the stuff in your hand. Extirpate hits the stuff in your grave.:-/
This card looks like something which will make people cry. I can't believe it is going to be in a precon! This might be one of those once every 2 blocks precons which could be worth more than it sells for, like the rat deck. Jitte + patron?! WTF is wizards thinking putting damn awesome cards in precons!
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He doesn't say anything about Jitte... it's an optical illusion of sorts. he had "A.) It's" all smashed together. He was noting that Shimian Specter is in the U/B precon, so it won't be that hard to get.
He meant that Jitte was in a precon, and I heard a few good things about that card... Jitte still went for $12 per in its heyday even in a precon.
I still say don't underestimate this card. It's not bah-roken by any means, but it is rather solid.
Assuming you have 4 each of the Tomb, the Magus, and the Specter, your chances of drawing all three are, like, 1 in 20. (I calculated this on p. 6 of this thread, but my numbers were skewed upward by counting Swamps as well.)
A deck that's designed around a 3-card combo that comes up in one of every 20 games played is a bad deck. Any card looks awesome when you invent the perfect situation for it--the second-turn play is not the situation to evaluate this card in, though.
the idea of the deck isnt a 3 card combo, but having the option of hitting a turn 1 any accelerator (llanowar elves, birds, elves of deep shadow) , and turn 2 card advantage engine (hyppie, this, or ohran viper), can really generate card advantage, espescailly with that new storyteller that gives even more card advantage, considering most if not almost all of the cards in the deck shud be creaturesm throw in a nekrataal, and you can make a pretty devastating G/B control deck.
The card seems ok, but at 4 mana it may already be irrelevant unless you have a really good way to make sure the way is clear. Maybe put it in a black/blue deck so you can bounce and lobotomize threats? Still seems kind of weak. But it could be pretty fun.
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I love the argument that burn could kill it, or this could kill it. Any card can take down any other card.
This card is used for two reasons.
One, for its effect and two, as a lightning rod (no pun intended)
cards that draw away fire from your other threats are still good, especially if you're a smart player.
I think this guy is amazing.. and insane if you find ANY way to protect him.
In T1 he's beautiful.
this guy is also proactive, instead of extirpates reactive. extirpate needs the card in the graveyard, this mofo doesn't care. You get hit once, remove some copies.
yes, because black needed more support in multi... sigh...
The 4cc could be a problem. Reminds me of Raven Guild Master and Glimpse the Unthinkable other cards that never really saw tourney play but still cost $7+ because every casual player wants to break it. I'll grab a 4-set ASAP because this is the kind of card that will never ever drop in price, even if it's reprinted (see Traumatize)
I love the argument that burn could kill it, or this could kill it. Any card can take down any other card.
This card is used for two reasons.
One, for its effect and two, as a lightning rod (no pun intended)
cards that draw away fire from your other threats are still good, especially if you're a smart player.
I think this guy is amazing.. and insane if you find ANY way to protect him.
In T1 he's beautiful.
this guy is also proactive, instead of extirpates reactive. extirpate needs the card in the graveyard, this mofo doesn't care. You get hit once, remove some copies.
Which still leaves the problem of A) Spending 4 mana on a extremely condition creature removal counterspell, or B) Waste time protecting something that won't win you a game alone, and isn't even guaranteed to give you the desired results.
Which still leaves the problem of A) Spending 4 mana on a extremely condition creature removal counterspell, or B) Waste time protecting something that won't win you a game alone, and isn't even guaranteed to give you the desired results.
well, with problem B) - it is a 2/2 creature, which means it will win you the game alone. unless, of course, your opponent finds some way to neutralize it. But that brings us back to the original point: is it worth spending valuable time and resources protecting this guy?
As for the results, they are certainly desireable: after all, at the very least you're playing a mana-free Distress on them every turn. For many decks, that can have a huge affect on their top decks, especially decks reliant on specific combinations of cards to enact their game plan (the one exception being the aggro deck type, which often has redundancy). Obviously this isn't as disruptive as Cranial Extraction, but it still bears thought, since removing all 4 copies of something like Stonewood Invocation, Akroma, Angel of Wrath (or some other hard-to-deal-with card) from a person's deck is not something to be dismissed. At the very least you'll have achieved some kind of psychological trauma against a player (meaning that they'll play differently)
As for whether the creature is worth the resources to protect...well, let's just say that in Standard, there are no efficient ways to protect this card. As a 2/2 it is far too fragile, especially at the 4-mana mark. However, in casual there is always Whispersilk Cloak, Pemmin's Aura, and Lightning Greaves. Hence, like I said, this is a casual card, at least for the foreseeable future.
If this guy gets through, then he will have an impact. And like several other cards in the game (specifically, any part of a combo), he's going to need some help to 'get going'. As far as I know, combo decks haven't died out entirely; they do work. So will this guy, even if it is with a little help.
So, in that respect, he's a solid creature. Certainly not broken, as he doesn't win the game on his own, but just like Extirpate, certain conditions can push him over the top. At the very least your opponent will want to use a spell to stifle him and therefore, he can potentially pressure your opponent out of his/her gameplan.
This is a solid creature in a set that, I reckon, is somewhat weak. It's that simple.
The effect is stronger than Lobotomy, it's repeatable, and the cost is easier (though you need to sneak a critter through). This card is good against lots of decks when combined with other Lobotomy-type effects, and he can destroy a combo deck all by himself.
Edit: Not to mention he's pretty hot in Limited. A 2/2 flyer for 4 is OK, and his effect is downgraded from Lobotomy to Distress but is still pretty nasty.
Why is it a bad think that the casual community, witch is a lot bigger then the tournament, also weights on the prices?
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Because when every casual player wants 4 of one card (and as you said, the casual community is WAY bigger) then such card becomes almost impossible to find (and no one wants to trade it either). I mentioned the Glimpse the Unthinkable and Raven Guild Master because I wanted to build a good U/B Mill deck. I had 1 copy of each, so the natural things is to get the other 3 right? Wrong! Trading for these was a pain, much harder to get than friggin shock lands! Shimian Specter smells just like that: either you get a playset very soon or will be very hard and/or expensive to do so.
Because when every casual player wants 4 of one card (and as you said, the casual community is WAY bigger) then such card becomes almost impossible to find (and no one wants to trade it either). I mentioned the Glimpse the Unthinkable and Raven Guild Master because I wanted to build a good U/B Mill deck. I had 1 copy of each, so the natural things is to get the other 3 right? Wrong! Trading for these was a pain, much harder to get than friggin shock lands! Shimian Specter smells just like that: either you get a playset very soon or will be very hard and/or expensive to do so.
So, if you think that the card is not tourney worth, why you bother? UNLESS you want get them just for the beauty of lobotomize somebody, even is this is not the best way to win... in that case... welcome!, you are a casual player too!
I like the card, and I think is a mayor thread for 4 mana. Notice what this guy do:
you get to see his hand, so you get the info if he have a *** or not, a counter, an akroma waiting for next turn, a momentary blink or he is just holding stupid mana! This is huge information!
Moreover, you get to pick the most annoying card he have and remove it and all his copies from the game!
I fear this card a lot. But he have to be in a deck with other threads.
Black/Red, with a few gravestorm cards, a few burn spells, and DUST CORONA! i fear the card without a doubt.
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well, with problem B) - it is a 2/2 creature, which means it will win you the game alone. unless, of course, your opponent finds some way to neutralize it. But that brings us back to the original point: is it worth spending valuable time and resources protecting this guy?
As for the results, they are certainly desireable: after all, at the very least you're playing a mana-free Distress on them every turn. For many decks, that can have a huge affect on their top decks, especially decks reliant on specific combinations of cards to enact their game plan (the one exception being the aggro deck type, which often has redundancy). Obviously this isn't as disruptive as Cranial Extraction, but it still bears thought, since removing all 4 copies of something like Stonewood Invocation, Akroma, Angel of Wrath (or some other hard-to-deal-with card) from a person's deck is not something to be dismissed. At the very least you'll have achieved some kind of psychological trauma against a player (meaning that they'll play differently)
As for whether the creature is worth the resources to protect...well, let's just say that in Standard, there are no efficient ways to protect this card. As a 2/2 it is far too fragile, especially at the 4-mana mark. However, in casual there is always Whispersilk Cloak, Pemmin's Aura, and Lightning Greaves. Hence, like I said, this is a casual card, at least for the foreseeable future.
Lightning greaves? You sir, are sick and twisted, and I must be too, because i'm wondering why I didn't think of that.
Now, this card has value to me in particular because I once used specters together with lobotomy in my first-ever control deck. So having them combined into one card just makes me giddy.
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It seems to me this is a good one-of in black-based Teferi, mage of Zhalfir decks. You can search him up with Mystical Teachings, drop him endphase, and go straight into your turn, being able to swing with him before they ever get a chance to respond.
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Because when every casual player wants 4 of one card (and as you said, the casual community is WAY bigger) then such card becomes almost impossible to find (and no one wants to trade it either). I mentioned the Glimpse the Unthinkable and Raven Guild Master because I wanted to build a good U/B Mill deck. I had 1 copy of each, so the natural things is to get the other 3 right? Wrong! Trading for these was a pain, much harder to get than friggin shock lands! Shimian Specter smells just like that: either you get a playset very soon or will be very hard and/or expensive to do so.
The casual community drives magic. Without them the game would have died out long ago and there would be no tourney play. On top of that....if you take magic that seriously then you should be willing to pay the higher price for your cards.
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Not exactly, this hits the stuff in your hand. Extirpate hits the stuff in your grave.:-/
This card looks like something which will make people cry. I can't believe it is going to be in a precon! This might be one of those once every 2 blocks precons which could be worth more than it sells for, like the rat deck. Jitte + patron?! WTF is wizards thinking putting damn awesome cards in precons!
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He meant that Jitte was in a precon, and I heard a few good things about that card... Jitte still went for $12 per in its heyday even in a precon.
I still say don't underestimate this card. It's not bah-roken by any means, but it is rather solid.
the idea of the deck isnt a 3 card combo, but having the option of hitting a turn 1 any accelerator (llanowar elves, birds, elves of deep shadow) , and turn 2 card advantage engine (hyppie, this, or ohran viper), can really generate card advantage, espescailly with that new storyteller that gives even more card advantage, considering most if not almost all of the cards in the deck shud be creaturesm throw in a nekrataal, and you can make a pretty devastating G/B control deck.
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This card is used for two reasons.
One, for its effect and two, as a lightning rod (no pun intended)
cards that draw away fire from your other threats are still good, especially if you're a smart player.
I think this guy is amazing.. and insane if you find ANY way to protect him.
In T1 he's beautiful.
this guy is also proactive, instead of extirpates reactive. extirpate needs the card in the graveyard, this mofo doesn't care. You get hit once, remove some copies.
The 4cc could be a problem. Reminds me of Raven Guild Master and Glimpse the Unthinkable other cards that never really saw tourney play but still cost $7+ because every casual player wants to break it. I'll grab a 4-set ASAP because this is the kind of card that will never ever drop in price, even if it's reprinted (see Traumatize)
Which still leaves the problem of A) Spending 4 mana on a extremely condition creature removal counterspell, or B) Waste time protecting something that won't win you a game alone, and isn't even guaranteed to give you the desired results.
well, with problem B) - it is a 2/2 creature, which means it will win you the game alone. unless, of course, your opponent finds some way to neutralize it. But that brings us back to the original point: is it worth spending valuable time and resources protecting this guy?
As for the results, they are certainly desireable: after all, at the very least you're playing a mana-free Distress on them every turn. For many decks, that can have a huge affect on their top decks, especially decks reliant on specific combinations of cards to enact their game plan (the one exception being the aggro deck type, which often has redundancy). Obviously this isn't as disruptive as Cranial Extraction, but it still bears thought, since removing all 4 copies of something like Stonewood Invocation, Akroma, Angel of Wrath (or some other hard-to-deal-with card) from a person's deck is not something to be dismissed. At the very least you'll have achieved some kind of psychological trauma against a player (meaning that they'll play differently)
As for whether the creature is worth the resources to protect...well, let's just say that in Standard, there are no efficient ways to protect this card. As a 2/2 it is far too fragile, especially at the 4-mana mark. However, in casual there is always Whispersilk Cloak, Pemmin's Aura, and Lightning Greaves. Hence, like I said, this is a casual card, at least for the foreseeable future.
So, in that respect, he's a solid creature. Certainly not broken, as he doesn't win the game on his own, but just like Extirpate, certain conditions can push him over the top. At the very least your opponent will want to use a spell to stifle him and therefore, he can potentially pressure your opponent out of his/her gameplan.
This is a solid creature in a set that, I reckon, is somewhat weak. It's that simple.
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Edit: Not to mention he's pretty hot in Limited. A 2/2 flyer for 4 is OK, and his effect is downgraded from Lobotomy to Distress but is still pretty nasty.
Because when every casual player wants 4 of one card (and as you said, the casual community is WAY bigger) then such card becomes almost impossible to find (and no one wants to trade it either). I mentioned the Glimpse the Unthinkable and Raven Guild Master because I wanted to build a good U/B Mill deck. I had 1 copy of each, so the natural things is to get the other 3 right? Wrong! Trading for these was a pain, much harder to get than friggin shock lands! Shimian Specter smells just like that: either you get a playset very soon or will be very hard and/or expensive to do so.
So, if you think that the card is not tourney worth, why you bother? UNLESS you want get them just for the beauty of lobotomize somebody, even is this is not the best way to win... in that case... welcome!, you are a casual player too!
I like the card, and I think is a mayor thread for 4 mana. Notice what this guy do:
you get to see his hand, so you get the info if he have a *** or not, a counter, an akroma waiting for next turn, a momentary blink or he is just holding stupid mana! This is huge information!
Moreover, you get to pick the most annoying card he have and remove it and all his copies from the game!
I fear this card a lot. But he have to be in a deck with other threads.
Lightning greaves? You sir, are sick and twisted, and I must be too, because i'm wondering why I didn't think of that.
Now, this card has value to me in particular because I once used specters together with lobotomy in my first-ever control deck. So having them combined into one card just makes me giddy.
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i though they were reprinting shimian specter at first lol