So I think that we can all agree that spoilers are an exciting thing and I know that MTGS hosts a vocal group in favor of premature spoilers. However, the last times it was the spoiling of some crds or some information. I loved the riddle-solving and surgical investigation the leaked Ixalan rare sheet conjured on this forum and I also liked the speculation the leaked Kozilek caused for OGW. For me those leakes were exiting and increases the hype for the new sets.
This time however, half of Dominaria being leaked feels just wrong. Yeah, I was excited to read some cards, but that excitement wore of quickly for two reasons:
1. Two many cards were spoiled at once. I like to look at new spoilers every now and then and read the 5-10 cards freshly spoiled carefully and fantasize about how they can be used/build around etc. But not with so many cards. This feels like the common dump at the very end of a spoiler season. Its just oversaturation, kinda like ordering a sandwich and getting the entire contents of a bakery dumped onto your threshhold.
2. The lack of artwork really cuts back the enjoyment for the cards. Especially in a set full with legendaries, not having their unique characters displayed really cheapens the spoiler experience in my opinion.
So I am torn now on between going through the spoilers step by step over a week or two or simply wait for the official spoilers. No matter what though, I sad this happened.
I don't understand this question from the consumer POV.
I get that from the mass online retailer perspective, you might be upset that you don't get to oversell each card or garner free website hits from people searching for the latest spoiler.
But those retailers are one of the worst parts of this game's community, second only to the speculators that they cultivate. I'm never going to cry about having more information as a consumer, or about mass market retailers getting one less opportunity to overhype a product.
I don't understand this question from the consumer POV.
I get that from the mass online retailer perspective, you might be upset that you don't get to oversell each card or garner free website hits from people searching for the latest spoiler.
But those retailers are one of the worst parts of this game's community, second only to the speculators that they cultivate. I'm never going to cry about having more information as a consumer, or about mass market retailers getting one less opportunity to overhype a product.
This. I can never understand why players/consumers do not want more info. Especially after getting screwed over set after set. I am happy to see the spoilers, at least this time it was not disappointing. well done wotc! ... i think.... we haven't seen the whole thing yet
I really wish it didn't happen. I prefer to get sets revealed piece by piece in a controlled fashion. I do like small leaks, but not huge chunks like this or the Ixalan sheet
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As I have little faith in WotC, I want to know as much as possible as soon as possible. I see cards for characters I have long wanted, but seeing they are insisting on giving red bad burn spells is keeping me from otherwise buying a whole box.
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I think this next set is basically the final nail in the coffin as far as standard play is concerned for me. These guys haven't made something fun to play since the ghosts from Eldrich moon (which I loved). I still can't figure out why we can't have Back to Basics or swords to plowshares in standard.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I am indifferent on the leaks.
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By what I'm seeing in this my prediction is looking more than good.
Dominaria revist is already confirmed as one of the best standard set in years and still some complaints (I know it's mostly due to leaked early) but they probably did it on purpose just so they don't have to face the music of wearing the dunce hat for not reprinting Enough correct cards in M25 (the biggest dunce cap reprint ever is in it tree of redemption)
The prediction is even after the other 109 cards getting revealed later I garateed most to all of you will still say "I hate this set."
Your internet people (most of you) you guys complain about nearly everything In any set despite the amazing stuff we get in reprint sets and standard sets
I enjoy all sets no matter what cards are in them.
As for the leak yes I'm glad it happened.
Oh ps colt I may want to remind you they are surrendering on some fronts on refusing to print cards like those in standard Goblin war-chief and Llanowar Elves for example are finally back
By what I'm seeing in this my prediction is looking more than good.
Dominaria revist is already confirmed as one of the best standard set in years and still some complaints (I know it's mostly due to leaked early) but they probably did it on purpose just so they don't have to face the music of wearing the dunce hat for not reprinting Enough correct cards in M25 (the biggest dunce cap reprint ever is in it tree of redemption)
The prediction is even after the other 109 cards getting revealed later I garateed most to all of you will still say "I hate this set."
Your internet people (most of you) you guys complain about nearly everything In any set despite the amazing stuff we get in reprint sets and standard sets
I enjoy all sets no matter what cards are in them.
I'm still getting cards from it, but I don't like the way standard has been playing for the last year and a half at least and I don't see that changing with what has been shown so far. It's going to take rotation to really fix standard and that isn't happening until september.
Standards problem is that they have a ton of Indestructible and otherwise really powerful recurring creatures that they had to print answers for. This when combined with the answers created towards curbing aggressive strategies has left the format favoring strategies that use value based creatures. That's why Rekindling Phoenix, a card that is otherwise rather so so as far as the larger card pool of modern, is now 30+ usd per card.
Wizards printed a set that is all about synergy decks that doesn't have enough ways to keep a lot of synergies online reliably in a high stakes competitive format. Nothing much one can do about that. Now we are going into Dominaria with yet another bunch of cards that require something else on the field to work optimally.
So it's not internet people being depressing, it's internet people just kind of being realistic with expectations.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
If a set is bad leaks and early spoilers just make sure people know its bad.
This set has a lot going for it thats great, so the leaks will fuel the presales , which is good for pretty much anybody that makes money with the cards.
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Its even good to have a glimmer of "hope" with disappointments like M25 around the corner (which might sell even worse with Dominaria leaks, as its a "bad" set and if you can choose you might not want to put your money in M25).
I love having them and seeing them. It gives me more time to kind of plot out what I want to do with the new cards. The downsides for me are:
I have to wait a good while to get the cards that we have now gotten to see.
Processing all of the cards at once makes it harder to give some of the less bold cards as much time to consider. Its easier to look at the ones that look really strong but its harder to give the time and effort to some of the more niche cards or ones that could serve a purpose in a specific niche. That said..... more time to process all of them that should make this not an issue soon ideally.
Overall, I am still happy to get leaks. There are pros and cons to it. Overall I will probably end up spending less money on the set though because I probably have more time to process some of the middle ground cards to the extent that I might opt to pass on them.
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I love it. I'd love a stream of spoilers with a small break to talk about development. Dominaria looks sick, I'm hoping to grab a box with M25 being kind of meh to me at the moment. But this set has sooooooo much stuff for (Duel) Commander dear lord. And with a guaranteed Legendary card in every pack, can't really go wrong.
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As someone who jumps head first into leaks/spoilers I love it but also it makes waiting for the rest of the set drag (we got a little less then a month) and it kills a lot of the speculation and theorizing people have had.
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I felt like an overload, magic is a very fun and addictive game for me, so I was really excited the last two days. I now want to see the rest of the set and the art of the cards.
I'm happy. The only difference between spoilers and leaks is that leaks are out of Wizards' control, and often happen a lot sooner. Spoiler season often happens just close enough to the actual release date that its actually kind of useless for me-- the sooner I know what is in a set, the easier it is to plan what I want to get, if there is anything attractive in a set to begin with (which unfortunately turned out not to be the case with Ixalan). Also, while I know that content creators across the web on social media and Youtube will experience disappointment because inevitably someone's spoiler card was leaked, I'm not a social media content creator so that just doesn't apply to me. In fact, the spoilers get strewn across so many platforms that its hard to find all of them, whereas this way I have a .doc file I can easily search through for specific cards and mechanics, and there is just enough information not included there will still be the surprise of seeing rarities, artwork, and flavor texts, the latter two of which are big parts of Magic's appeal to me.
It may seem like a lot to take in, but there is a lot of time to read it all before the set comes out, and that keeps me interested in Magic's future releases. Whereas WotC's marketing probably wants to keep us interested in its current releases like M25, and I just don't care about that product. And not necessarily for the same reason as a lot of people here, its just a re-release set, so its inherently more boring than knowing about new cards or new mechanics like Sagas.
Really, I don't know whether leaks happen because of spoilers or whether someone in WotC's marketing department came up with spoilers as an answer to leaks, but they are essentially two sides of the same coin for all intents and purposes. But leaks don't give Wizards the option of keeping secrets from their customers whereas spoilers do. That's the only difference from my perspective.
Lots of Legendary stuff, tons of brewing potential, but I'm still on the highs and lows from 25th masters so, it's hard to digest at this point in time for me.
While it would have been nice to get spoilers at a more manageable pace to make digesting cards a little more reasonable, this is still preferable to the normal flow where we still get a few too many cards dumped in a single day, but we also need to process the whole set in less than 2 weeks.
Personally, I wish that we would start getting spoilers about this early, but only get 1-2 exciting cards a day as well as a look at the limited chaff we never see until the full list goes up. It might not build as much (often undeserved) hype as the current model, but we could spend a day processing each card and get a better idea of what limited will look like.
But hey, I also remember when rumor season actually meant something beyond just talking about the WotC hype train, when we'd get nearly full sets from people opening product early instead of WotC sending out previews to everyone and their mother. Those were the days.
Big leaks are always bitter sweet; I get to discus a bunch of new cards but the high fades fast and I know it will be months before my next fix.
My focous is mostly on cube, having cards trickle out spreads the discussion out better. When we get big dumps like this there is a week or two of fevered discussion then it gets quiet again. I would honestly rather be drip fed new cards until the release.
This time however, half of Dominaria being leaked feels just wrong. Yeah, I was excited to read some cards, but that excitement wore of quickly for two reasons:
1. Two many cards were spoiled at once. I like to look at new spoilers every now and then and read the 5-10 cards freshly spoiled carefully and fantasize about how they can be used/build around etc. But not with so many cards. This feels like the common dump at the very end of a spoiler season. Its just oversaturation, kinda like ordering a sandwich and getting the entire contents of a bakery dumped onto your threshhold.
2. The lack of artwork really cuts back the enjoyment for the cards. Especially in a set full with legendaries, not having their unique characters displayed really cheapens the spoiler experience in my opinion.
So I am torn now on between going through the spoilers step by step over a week or two or simply wait for the official spoilers. No matter what though, I sad this happened.
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I get that from the mass online retailer perspective, you might be upset that you don't get to oversell each card or garner free website hits from people searching for the latest spoiler.
But those retailers are one of the worst parts of this game's community, second only to the speculators that they cultivate. I'm never going to cry about having more information as a consumer, or about mass market retailers getting one less opportunity to overhype a product.
This. I can never understand why players/consumers do not want more info. Especially after getting screwed over set after set. I am happy to see the spoilers, at least this time it was not disappointing. well done wotc! ... i think.... we haven't seen the whole thing yet
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
FREE WILL
No one is forcing anybody to read the thread or the Release notes document.
If you dont want know, dont read it.
Dominaria revist is already confirmed as one of the best standard set in years and still some complaints (I know it's mostly due to leaked early) but they probably did it on purpose just so they don't have to face the music of wearing the dunce hat for not reprinting Enough correct cards in M25 (the biggest dunce cap reprint ever is in it tree of redemption)
The prediction is even after the other 109 cards getting revealed later I garateed most to all of you will still say "I hate this set."
Your internet people (most of you) you guys complain about nearly everything In any set despite the amazing stuff we get in reprint sets and standard sets
I enjoy all sets no matter what cards are in them.
As for the leak yes I'm glad it happened.
Oh ps colt I may want to remind you they are surrendering on some fronts on refusing to print cards like those in standard Goblin war-chief and Llanowar Elves for example are finally back
I'm still getting cards from it, but I don't like the way standard has been playing for the last year and a half at least and I don't see that changing with what has been shown so far. It's going to take rotation to really fix standard and that isn't happening until september.
Standards problem is that they have a ton of Indestructible and otherwise really powerful recurring creatures that they had to print answers for. This when combined with the answers created towards curbing aggressive strategies has left the format favoring strategies that use value based creatures. That's why Rekindling Phoenix, a card that is otherwise rather so so as far as the larger card pool of modern, is now 30+ usd per card.
Wizards printed a set that is all about synergy decks that doesn't have enough ways to keep a lot of synergies online reliably in a high stakes competitive format. Nothing much one can do about that. Now we are going into Dominaria with yet another bunch of cards that require something else on the field to work optimally.
So it's not internet people being depressing, it's internet people just kind of being realistic with expectations.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Anyway, must get one or two of the new Karn before the price explodes.
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This set has a lot going for it thats great, so the leaks will fuel the presales , which is good for pretty much anybody that makes money with the cards.
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Its even good to have a glimmer of "hope" with disappointments like M25 around the corner (which might sell even worse with Dominaria leaks, as its a "bad" set and if you can choose you might not want to put your money in M25).
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Overall, I am still happy to get leaks. There are pros and cons to it. Overall I will probably end up spending less money on the set though because I probably have more time to process some of the middle ground cards to the extent that I might opt to pass on them.
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It may seem like a lot to take in, but there is a lot of time to read it all before the set comes out, and that keeps me interested in Magic's future releases. Whereas WotC's marketing probably wants to keep us interested in its current releases like M25, and I just don't care about that product. And not necessarily for the same reason as a lot of people here, its just a re-release set, so its inherently more boring than knowing about new cards or new mechanics like Sagas.
Really, I don't know whether leaks happen because of spoilers or whether someone in WotC's marketing department came up with spoilers as an answer to leaks, but they are essentially two sides of the same coin for all intents and purposes. But leaks don't give Wizards the option of keeping secrets from their customers whereas spoilers do. That's the only difference from my perspective.
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Personally, I wish that we would start getting spoilers about this early, but only get 1-2 exciting cards a day as well as a look at the limited chaff we never see until the full list goes up. It might not build as much (often undeserved) hype as the current model, but we could spend a day processing each card and get a better idea of what limited will look like.
But hey, I also remember when rumor season actually meant something beyond just talking about the WotC hype train, when we'd get nearly full sets from people opening product early instead of WotC sending out previews to everyone and their mother. Those were the days.
My focous is mostly on cube, having cards trickle out spreads the discussion out better. When we get big dumps like this there is a week or two of fevered discussion then it gets quiet again. I would honestly rather be drip fed new cards until the release.