Blogatog has an interesting discussion about this I'll link in a moment.
How do you all feel about this year's Commander product having foil Commanders only?
As someone who cannot stand foils at all (their glare obscures the art, they bend and chip over time, and are difficult to read across the table) this is perhaps the only disappointing thing for me.
I prefer Non-Foil Commanders. But if we could have both, I'd do away with the Oversized card and do both Non-Foil and Foil versions so everyone can be happy OR do the first printings as foil and later reprints of the decks as Non-Foil if they must. One way or another, I just really want a chance to get the C16 in Non-Foil if possible.
I have yet to see the decks... Both LGS I visit had their shipment delayed. I usually enjoy foils, especialy for Commander. I can't wait to see for myself.
I like the commanders in foil. It actually looks and feels nice to me. I've always enjoyed the oversized card for looking cool but upset knowing the normal card would be, well normal. Both foil and non foil being available would absolutely be the best route to please everyone. But, when cards not previously available in either foil/non foil are reprinted with the chance of that changing, it gets people excited (not everyone, of course).
Also there's this weird attitude/hostility toward people who enjoy foils, yet you never hear those people having anything to say about people who don't enjoy them. Weird.
That said, this year's new commanders look particularly beautiful as foils. Yidris, Kynaios and Tiro, and Breya look exceptional. Along with many of the alt-commanders, especially the Tarkir ones, Thrasios, Kraum. The list goes on. Makes me wish all the legendary creatures were foil... Already have normal versions of most, bar Hanna (a great non-foil reprint for example).
I prefer them as foils. I think the best solution would be to print X boxes with non-foil commanders, then print a reduced Y boxes with foil commanders for a slightly higher MSRP.
I think this would be the best approach, because:
People who either prefer non-foils or don't care either way can buy the cheaper non-foil packs, while people who care about foiling out their decks and pursue the foiled versions.
This way, you're still only including one playable copy of a commander per box, so the market doesn't become over-saturated, so cards retain their value.
However, if printing only either foils or non-foils is possible, then I'll obviously prefer foils.
The problem isn't the foils. The problem is that they use a different printing process for mass-produced products like intro packs, duel decks, etc. which makes the foils look dark and usually awful. Keep printing foil commanders but use the normal printing process like they do for pack foils instead of this mass-produced super-dark nonsense.
since the very beginning i had been wanting them to do the commanders as foils.
instead we got stuck with oversize cards, which no one asked for and no one wanted.
they still don't quite get it however, i mean this past release was a step in the right direction, but the oversize foil needs to go completely. its great that we have the option for normal size foils, but now i find myself not wanting to include them in decks where they aren't the commander because there is no nonfoil alternative. when you have 98 cards in a deck that aren't foil, that 1 foil can really stand out.
I don't know if there's a real use for the oversized cards unless you're going to mix them into your Archenemy deck (and sleeve them with giant sleeves?) or something. I'd much rather see an actual copy of the card.
What they should do is release a nonfoil version, and then a few months later foil out the deck entirely like with the slivers/burn deck premium series
I like the idea of foils. Makes your commander stand out in a good way.
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I would like to say an important thing: The players who likes foils are the vast majority of the playerbase.
Finally we get foil commanders and some people won't stop complaining, I don't get it.
I would like to say an important thing: The players who likes foils are the vast majority of the playerbase.
Finally we get foil commanders and some people won't stop complaining, I don't get it.
The problem isn't the foils themselves or the majority of players getting what they like. It's the lack of options. The oversized card, which is rarely if ever used could easily be replaced by non-foil versions so everyone can be happy with a selection over a restriction.
I prefer non-foil cards but WotC might as well cater to both tastes.
I'm okay with foils that don't bend, but that's precious few foils in my experience. We'll see how C16 does in this regard. A lot of even the non-foil cards I've gotten from previous Commander products have bent/warped, so I'm not optimistic.
I would like to say an important thing: The players who likes foils are the vast majority of the playerbase.
Finally we get foil commanders and some people won't stop complaining, I don't get it.
Nobody here "won't stop complaining", this threat is a civil as it gets. If you have nothing to add, please don't post.
On topic:
I too like non-foil cards better, especially because the foiling in magic seems lackluster to me., But I don't think wizards will print two sets of commanders per deck (foil + non-foil), that would simply flood the market with those commanders since nobody really need two copies.
Especially with the 4c-commanders it is very unlikely to see them in some bootser-based set like EM/MM or Conspiracy, so we'll probably never see all 5 as non-foils...
I would like to say an important thing: The players who likes foils are the vast majority of the playerbase.
Finally we get foil commanders and some people won't stop complaining, I don't get it.
Nobody here "won't stop complaining", this threat is a civil as it gets. If you have nothing to add, please don't post.
On topic:
I too like non-foil cards better, especially because the foiling in magic seems lackluster to me., But I don't think wizards will print two sets of commanders per deck (foil + non-foil), that would simply flood the market with those commanders since nobody really need two copies.
Especially with the 4c-commanders it is very unlikely to see them in some bootser-based set like EM/MM or Conspiracy, so we'll probably never see all 5 as non-foils...
Since foils are, generally, intended to be premium cards, why not let them be special? I feel like either the decks should come with Non-Foil commanders and then an annual set like Commander's Arsenal, FTV, or Judge Promos could deliver foil versions of popular commanders to keep them special. That, or early editions of the decks could have foil Commanders, and later printings have Non-Foil. If not, then have both non-foil and foil in the same product for the cover card (since this series was special in having Partner, but future releases are likely only to have one general anyway).
Got my decks in the mail. As expected I'm sad about the foiling. Interferes too much with the art. Not fond of the ink work either. The foils look like they've sat out in the sun too long. Oh how I wish we could have the sharp, vibrant art of non-foils without the shoddy inking over glaring foil. It's scary because I don't know how we'd ever get these in non-foil. It's not like they can be reprinted anywhere, and 4-color commanders are a rare commodity to come by in design. It's sad to think we may never get non-foil versions.
I like how for years we who like foils have been stuck with non-foil commanders and yet we made due, and then they release one set with foil commanders and everyone who hates foils loses their minds.
I like how for years we who like foils have been stuck with non-foil commanders and yet we made due, and then they release one set with foil commanders and everyone who hates foils loses their minds.
Who is losing their minds? It's just disappointment. Non-foils don't bend, curl, chip or easily scratch as much. It's not unreasonable to me.
I think they should release them nonfoil in 90% of the decks, and randomly foil in one of every ten. The oversized one is in front, so you couldn't tell anyway. That way both exist. I know people who by non-randomized products often dislike randomization of any kind, but that feels like an easy way to make sure both exist.
Or there could be one or two randomized foils within every Commander deck. That way foil Magus of the Will would exist. The more I think about it, the more I like this version.
I think they should release them nonfoil in 90% of the decks, and randomly foil in one of every ten. The oversized one is in front, so you couldn't tell anyway. That way both exist. I know people who by non-randomized products often dislike randomization of any kind, but that feels like an easy way to make sure both exist.
Or there could be one or two randomized foils within every Commander deck. That way foil Magus of the Will would exist. The more I think about it, the more I like this version.
Making some cards randomly foil would be cool, but by production would be problematic, as the product isnt randomized, its a constructed deck and putting some random cards in it that replace other cards would probably produce more errors than is good.
But "maybe" they make actual commander boosters too !
Like the constructed deck itself, and boosters that contain foils.
People would for sure buy them, and people that just want the cards non-foil simply buy the set.
The problem isn't the foils. The problem is that they use a different printing process for mass-produced products like intro packs, duel decks, etc. which makes the foils look dark and usually awful. Keep printing foil commanders but use the normal printing process like they do for pack foils instead of this mass-produced super-dark nonsense.
I ordered the set. Breyas foil is amazing but the rest arent so great. Atraxa is by far the worst. The foiling ruined the art completely. Its crazy to me the difference between these two cards. The most valuable one has the worst foiling. Disappointed.
Personally Breya made up for it, but i think most people are going tk be dissappointed in Atraxa. A big let down. The card is so dark that from more than a foot away it looks like a dark rectangle with nothing in it...
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Can't stand the mustardy yellow it makes the originally elegant gold borders look either. And yeah, the art is ruined by the foiling. I love the authentic colors of Kynaios and Tiro's art. Instead the card is loud with all this rainbow noise instead of showing off the rich and vibrant hues of the digital artwork we saw online. I love the crystal blue water of Meletis which looks like a surging stream of unicorn vomit now. Kynaios and Tiro are so dark too, and the guardian statues aren't immediately obvious because of the foiling glare. It's what I was worried about.
I'm sure there are more people, as perplexing as it is, which are very much pleased with this aesthetic. For whatever reason. But I preferred how commander products were before with non-foil, sturdy cards with a glossy finish. Both my Kynaios and Tiro card came out of the box with scratches all over them. I expected this (as it happens with Intro Pack foils a lot) which is why I bought two, and both had it.
Well, as a "try to foil as much as I can" EDH player, I certainly appreciated getting regular foil cards in Commander products, although being on the receiving end for years already I could understand how those on the opposite end of the foil/nonfoil spectrum feel.
It's not limited to the Commanders, it's very annoying to me that all the new(ly created) cards don't come in foil until a Judge Foil comes along or they get reprinted, but even then it's limited to a select few. Command Beacon and Toxic Deluge got that, but the likes of Volcanic Offering will probably never see the foil.
I would say "Create an all-foil version", but considering PDS didn't last that long plus how value the Commander Decks usually already are, I'll settle for a yearly Commander's Arsenal Product that has ALL the newly created cards of that year's Commander deck in foil instead, with a better print run, of course. Honestly I don't think it'll affect sales that much, people who get the decks are those who are either new and/or wanted to play with the precons/most of the precons to begin with. The "enfranchised/disillusioned" players like me who don't feel like/want to play with precons and have no use for 100/96 nonfoil cards otherwise have pretty much resorted to buying singles anyway.
Very happy the commanders are foil. This is how it should always have been done. I also like that the new decks are reprinting several old commanders, as well as several other cards only available in previous Commander sets. They should continue reprinting these cards, either in new Commander decks or in supplemental sets like Conspiracy (Edric, Spymaster of Trest) and Eternal Masters (Toxic Deluge).
I am happy to have a commander in foil. I usually go the extra mile for my commander as it is the centerpiece of the deck and the one that will be seen all the time (Have my Kaalia extended and Splurged on the Pro Tour Treva when it was $15). Having them in foil is nice, but I can see the argument against it and I would replace the Oversize card with a non-foil version if WOTC went that direction.
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How do you all feel about this year's Commander product having foil Commanders only?
As someone who cannot stand foils at all (their glare obscures the art, they bend and chip over time, and are difficult to read across the table) this is perhaps the only disappointing thing for me.
I prefer Non-Foil Commanders. But if we could have both, I'd do away with the Oversized card and do both Non-Foil and Foil versions so everyone can be happy OR do the first printings as foil and later reprints of the decks as Non-Foil if they must. One way or another, I just really want a chance to get the C16 in Non-Foil if possible.
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Also there's this weird attitude/hostility toward people who enjoy foils, yet you never hear those people having anything to say about people who don't enjoy them. Weird.
That said, this year's new commanders look particularly beautiful as foils. Yidris, Kynaios and Tiro, and Breya look exceptional. Along with many of the alt-commanders, especially the Tarkir ones, Thrasios, Kraum. The list goes on. Makes me wish all the legendary creatures were foil... Already have normal versions of most, bar Hanna (a great non-foil reprint for example).
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I think this would be the best approach, because:
However, if printing only either foils or non-foils is possible, then I'll obviously prefer foils.
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instead we got stuck with oversize cards, which no one asked for and no one wanted.
they still don't quite get it however, i mean this past release was a step in the right direction, but the oversize foil needs to go completely. its great that we have the option for normal size foils, but now i find myself not wanting to include them in decks where they aren't the commander because there is no nonfoil alternative. when you have 98 cards in a deck that aren't foil, that 1 foil can really stand out.
What they should do is release a nonfoil version, and then a few months later foil out the deck entirely like with the slivers/burn deck premium series
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Finally we get foil commanders and some people won't stop complaining, I don't get it.
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
I'm okay with foils that don't bend, but that's precious few foils in my experience. We'll see how C16 does in this regard. A lot of even the non-foil cards I've gotten from previous Commander products have bent/warped, so I'm not optimistic.
Nobody here "won't stop complaining", this threat is a civil as it gets. If you have nothing to add, please don't post.
On topic:
I too like non-foil cards better, especially because the foiling in magic seems lackluster to me., But I don't think wizards will print two sets of commanders per deck (foil + non-foil), that would simply flood the market with those commanders since nobody really need two copies.
Especially with the 4c-commanders it is very unlikely to see them in some bootser-based set like EM/MM or Conspiracy, so we'll probably never see all 5 as non-foils...
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Or there could be one or two randomized foils within every Commander deck. That way foil Magus of the Will would exist. The more I think about it, the more I like this version.
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I mean, put in a foil and a normal version, so you get actually "playable" cards.
Just remove the oversized foil, nobody really needs that anyway (might be nice for some, but in the end, its just a random proxy card).
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Making some cards randomly foil would be cool, but by production would be problematic, as the product isnt randomized, its a constructed deck and putting some random cards in it that replace other cards would probably produce more errors than is good.
But "maybe" they make actual commander boosters too !
Like the constructed deck itself, and boosters that contain foils.
People would for sure buy them, and people that just want the cards non-foil simply buy the set.
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I ordered the set. Breyas foil is amazing but the rest arent so great. Atraxa is by far the worst. The foiling ruined the art completely. Its crazy to me the difference between these two cards. The most valuable one has the worst foiling. Disappointed.
Personally Breya made up for it, but i think most people are going tk be dissappointed in Atraxa. A big let down. The card is so dark that from more than a foot away it looks like a dark rectangle with nothing in it...
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I'm sure there are more people, as perplexing as it is, which are very much pleased with this aesthetic. For whatever reason. But I preferred how commander products were before with non-foil, sturdy cards with a glossy finish. Both my Kynaios and Tiro card came out of the box with scratches all over them. I expected this (as it happens with Intro Pack foils a lot) which is why I bought two, and both had it.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
It's not limited to the Commanders, it's very annoying to me that all the new(ly created) cards don't come in foil until a Judge Foil comes along or they get reprinted, but even then it's limited to a select few. Command Beacon and Toxic Deluge got that, but the likes of Volcanic Offering will probably never see the foil.
I would say "Create an all-foil version", but considering PDS didn't last that long plus how value the Commander Decks usually already are, I'll settle for a yearly Commander's Arsenal Product that has ALL the newly created cards of that year's Commander deck in foil instead, with a better print run, of course. Honestly I don't think it'll affect sales that much, people who get the decks are those who are either new and/or wanted to play with the precons/most of the precons to begin with. The "enfranchised/disillusioned" players like me who don't feel like/want to play with precons and have no use for 100/96 nonfoil cards otherwise have pretty much resorted to buying singles anyway.