About the only thing that can deal with it before when it hits the battlefield is Clip Wings because it doesn't target Emy, but the player controlling Emy, unless you counter it (would pro-instants prevent countering? I don't think so, though would love input)
Clip Wings, Stasis Snare would work, one is an instant that targets a player and the other is an enchantment with an EtB trigger.
I know people are just gonna wait to see how the top players break it in order to copy the strategies for it.
Honestly, it's be tough to get rid of. It's a 13/13 with some nice evasion (flying + trample). Also, protection from instants means that opponents can't kill it before you control their next turn. If an opponent doesn't top deck a response in their extra turn they're as good as fried. I can easily see ramp players get this out well into turn 4-5 when an opponent still hasn't had a solid board set up. And if they did, you'd miss their land drop on their turn and turn their creatures sideways to die to your stuff.
It's not an incredibly broken card but it's not underwhelming. Also, as someone previously pointed out, this + Karakas will be pretty broken in extended. Just add Ugin's Nexus and be done with it.
there is no reason to play karakas with this new emrakul instead of the original (since the only deck i know that do that is 12 post in legacy and reaching 15 mana is not a problem)
About the only thing that can deal with it before when it hits the battlefield is Clip Wings because it doesn't target Emy, but the player controlling Emy, unless you counter it (would pro-instants prevent countering? I don't think so, though would love input)
Clip Wings, Stasis Snare would work, one is an instant that targets a player and the other is an enchantment with an EtB trigger.
Thank you, forgot about Snare.
Note: in the current Standard you could be able to cast this guy for 6 mana (which is the lowest he could cost barring the introduction of a new card type)
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Now that I think about it, the worst thing is not that this Emrakul can be removed by things like Clip Wings or Stasis Snare but can also be countered.
I mean I will still most likely play it in both my standard GR Ramp and modern Eldrazi Tron but I really hoped to get something stronger than Ulamog. I think Ulamog, the Ceaceless Hunger is a better card.
In a vacuum I would agree, however they function differently and therefore will fill very different roles. New Emy could side finisher play along side of Sphinx of the Final Word in blue-based control decks (I'm gonna try it at least), as you could very reasonably cast her for under 9. G/x delirium decks will also be great for new Emy. Ulamog is better off in ramp decks that can hit him early.
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Seems like the same comments I saw when Nihiri was revealed. lol. Oh you fickle ppl.
Its the same comments about every card to be fair.
But honestly that clause where they get an extra turn in quote disheartening.
Yeah, they get an extra turn, but they have to spend it trying to piece together the mess you made of their board/hand and get ready to deal with a 13/13 flying trampler that will likely end them next turn.
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Seems like the same comments I saw when Nihiri was revealed. lol. Oh you fickle ppl.
Its the same comments about every card to be fair.
But honestly that clause where they get an extra turn in quote disheartening.
Yeah, they get an extra turn, but they have to spend it trying to piece together the mess you made of their board/hand and get ready to deal with a 13/13 flying trampler that will likely end them next turn.
While true, you have to play her at the right time. I can just see it going poorly a lot of the time.
this creature is like tarmogoyf's big brother. he can get down to 6cmc i think? and thats whats special about him. you can karakas him and technically gaining unli turns for eternal formats.
I don't really care about the card's power level right now. I'm more concerned about the now lackluster eldrazi making yet another appearance. BFZ block made them boring and uninteresting, yet here we are getting more of them. Simply put, the eldrazi are not compelling villains, and I was sick of them during BFZ spoiler season.
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hi.
sooo emrakul got revealed in the access magic, are you happy with that?
i hoped for a new emrakul being playable but old one still is better so meh
A 13/13 for 9 with Flying, Trample, protection from Instants and Mindslaver on casting isn't playable?
It's not mind slaver though. It gives your opponent card advantage and an extra turn to boot. Controlling one of those turns is nice but one of the advantages is being able to leave their board state as you want to for your turn.
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I am disappointed. While I knew better I was hoping the big baddie was anything else. I don't care if the card is good or not, I will not play it. I am not buying my normal box ether. I like magic stories and this is an epic fail. First it is redundant. Eldrazi was the big bad last block, then again on this one. It was supposed to be a mystery but every thing pointed to it. So what mystery? There is nothing fun here. This is bad story telling. Two thumbs down.
As for the card, we seen everything on it before. It is just a bad mindslaver bolted on a big body. Is it playable? Most likely, but I rather play Ulamog. I will not play it. In my mind it ruined the story for the block. I am completely not interested in this set now. What can I say story is important to me and they put out a mystery that everyone knew who done it page one. Even as many pointed out it was 13/13 for 13. Now that shows a complete and utter predictable and lack of creativity. One person even guessed the Mindslaver part. This is costing the Magic creative department my respect.
Ok so this is just speculation but: I am on board with all the people who say "Storyline fail" BUT what if instead of other Eldrazi this gives the creators a chance to wholly change existing Innistrad characters into new crazy creatures? Then i would be like "yea storyline fail, BUT it was worth it to have this crazy Bruna/Gisela monstrosity card". Just saying, what if we get an even more powerful Liliana? Then was it worth it? I would say yes
Ok so this is just speculation but: I am on board with all the people who say "Storyline fail" BUT what if instead of other Eldrazi this gives the creators a chance to wholly change existing Innistrad characters into new crazy creatures? Then i would be like "yea storyline fail, BUT it was worth it to have this crazy Bruna/Gisela monstrosity card". Just saying, what if we get an even more powerful Liliana? Then was it worth it? I would say yes
Not for me. They done mutated monsters before. The power level would be similar to existing creatures or it will ruin the game do to power imbalance. When one set is more powerful then its peers it reduces deck choice. That isn't good. I played during the Urza block and Mirrodin and they wasn't all that fun until the ban hammer beat the ***** out of those blocks. And Liliana if mad stronger could break the game. Most versions of her are already at the top of the power curve, a stronger Liliana card would be bad for the health of the game. Balance is needed and if too strong of a set is released ether the ban hammer comes out or the next block will needs be weakened. The weakness of BFZ block is because Tarkir was above the curve on power. If what you propose happens and there is extra power in the set to make up for the horrid story telling then it compounds the failure. No thanks.
I love the continuity going on here. I really like how Nahiri is exacting the most absurdly extreme revenge against sorin, for shutting her inside the helvault for hundreds of years.
So what if the eldrazi come back for a single set. What's the problem? This is a cool continuation and a nice storytelling anchor.
It's certainly not ruined the story, and it isn't objectively bad storytelling either.
In three months you won't be seeing eldrazi again for years. Chill and enjoy the spectacle. It's fun.
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About the only thing that can deal with it before when it hits the battlefield is Clip Wings because it doesn't target Emy, but the player controlling Emy, unless you counter it (would pro-instants prevent countering? I don't think so, though would love input)
Clip Wings, Stasis Snare would work, one is an instant that targets a player and the other is an enchantment with an EtB trigger.
Thank you, forgot about Snare.
Note: in the current Standard you could be able to cast this guy for 6 mana (which is the lowest he could cost barring the introduction of a new card type)
Cards mad cool! We get new cards and people bad mouth everything? DANG, she's a 13/13 trampling, pro instant beatstick that gives you the chance to take control of your opponents turn (I hope you all realize this is equivalent to a time walk, you are getting TWO turns from her, your opponent gets a draw step to come up with something). Yes Ulamog is the go to ramp target but Emrakul being able to have cost reduction can and will be explored. As to what those results will yield? We have no clue since only 2 cards have been spoiled. Enjoy the cake okay? There's more coming.
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Cards mad cool! We get new cards and people bad mouth everything? DANG, she's a 13/13 trampling, pro instant beatstick that gives you the chance to take control of your opponents turn (I hope you all realize this is equivalent to a time walk, you are getting TWO turns from her, your opponent gets a draw step to come up with something). Yes Ulamog is the go to ramp target but Emrakul being able to have cost reduction can and will be explored. As to what those results will yield? We have no clue since only 2 cards have been spoiled. Enjoy the cake okay? There's more coming.
Well time walk only cost 2 it's still going to take a few turns to get emrakul out
But anyway I agree don't underrate emrakul
But I just hope this version doesn't end up banned, the one and only reason that's possible is because of the cost reducers in EDH to reduce emrakul to 3 between 1 but that's a immensely rare sceneiaro to happen.
About the only thing that can deal with it before when it hits the battlefield is Clip Wings because it doesn't target Emy, but the player controlling Emy, unless you counter it (would pro-instants prevent countering? I don't think so, though would love input)
Given that you can use blue counterspells on pro-blue creatures, Emmy here is clearly counterable. Her protection ability is not active while she is only a spell on the stack.
Further, Vedalken Orrery and Quicken both enable other instant-speed removal options to get around her pro-instants ability before your slaver'd turn... though this won't stop your opponent from taking your turn from you, regardless. You'll need a Stifle effect to stop that.
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Clip Wings, Stasis Snare would work, one is an instant that targets a player and the other is an enchantment with an EtB trigger.
there is no reason to play karakas with this new emrakul instead of the original (since the only deck i know that do that is 12 post in legacy and reaching 15 mana is not a problem)
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Thank you, forgot about Snare.
Note: in the current Standard you could be able to cast this guy for 6 mana (which is the lowest he could cost barring the introduction of a new card type)
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
In a vacuum I would agree, however they function differently and therefore will fill very different roles. New Emy could side finisher play along side of Sphinx of the Final Word in blue-based control decks (I'm gonna try it at least), as you could very reasonably cast her for under 9. G/x delirium decks will also be great for new Emy. Ulamog is better off in ramp decks that can hit him early.
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
But honestly that clause where they get an extra turn in quote disheartening.
Yeah, they get an extra turn, but they have to spend it trying to piece together the mess you made of their board/hand and get ready to deal with a 13/13 flying trampler that will likely end them next turn.
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
11 cmc compared to 10 is huge.
Also most of the time you're better off just casting ulamog.
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It's not mind slaver though. It gives your opponent card advantage and an extra turn to boot. Controlling one of those turns is nice but one of the advantages is being able to leave their board state as you want to for your turn.
One day I will go infinate on a token combo then drop Scramble verse and watch as the trolling begins. That day will be a good day.
As for the card, we seen everything on it before. It is just a bad mindslaver bolted on a big body. Is it playable? Most likely, but I rather play Ulamog. I will not play it. In my mind it ruined the story for the block. I am completely not interested in this set now. What can I say story is important to me and they put out a mystery that everyone knew who done it page one. Even as many pointed out it was 13/13 for 13. Now that shows a complete and utter predictable and lack of creativity. One person even guessed the Mindslaver part. This is costing the Magic creative department my respect.
If you think those are reasonable ways to kill a creature who controls your next turn, just think about that for a second.
I love the continuity going on here. I really like how Nahiri is exacting the most absurdly extreme revenge against sorin, for shutting her inside the helvault for hundreds of years.
So what if the eldrazi come back for a single set. What's the problem? This is a cool continuation and a nice storytelling anchor.
It's certainly not ruined the story, and it isn't objectively bad storytelling either.
In three months you won't be seeing eldrazi again for years. Chill and enjoy the spectacle. It's fun.
And clip wings doesn't even target a player. Duh
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Well time walk only cost 2 it's still going to take a few turns to get emrakul out
But anyway I agree don't underrate emrakul
But I just hope this version doesn't end up banned, the one and only reason that's possible is because of the cost reducers in EDH to reduce emrakul to 3 between 1 but that's a immensely rare sceneiaro to happen.
Given that you can use blue counterspells on pro-blue creatures, Emmy here is clearly counterable. Her protection ability is not active while she is only a spell on the stack.
Further, Vedalken Orrery and Quicken both enable other instant-speed removal options to get around her pro-instants ability before your slaver'd turn... though this won't stop your opponent from taking your turn from you, regardless. You'll need a Stifle effect to stop that.
OMG A WEAKER VERSION OF Spawnsire of Ulamog 20 ABILITY!!!!
but why is it blue?
And I sure wish it was colorless, not blue.
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