Holy crap, I played this card last night and it's insane. Casting it for just its regular cost at Sorcery-speed is kind of meh, but casting it at the end of opponent's turn for its Madness cost is bananas. I cast one for 8 and one for 9 against two different opponents and it ended the game right then and there (one scooped and the other lost after I swung for lethal after tapping out two of his creatures.
I don't usually play black, but this card is so great that I started thinking about a couple of different constructed decks that could make it work, like a monoblack madness or some kind of control shell that uses discard outlets like Call the Bloodline or Liliana.
Has anyone else had a chance to play this card? What's everyone else's opinion about it?
I've tried using it and it has a lot of potential, specially as a control deck finisher.
the issue with it is that the madness regular archetype for the coming standard tends to be more on the aggro side.
If there's enough discard outlets and you can generate 8+ mana to cast this before you lose, then it's really bananas.
I'm not really sure which shell this is playing with.
people is calling this "Zombie Revelation" in a obvious throwback to Sphinx's Revelation and I think this is an accurate parallel.
decks using this will do something to estabilish, then probably wrath the table with Languish or something and then drop this for the win.
It's not a card you put in your deck and forget about it because in a vacuum it's not that good.
but if your deck manages to cast it for 8+ mana at the end of someone's turn, you're in for a lot of power.
there is certainly a grixis madness deck to be had in standard. the mana fixing is there. my current plan is to be UR madness with jace, Chandra, all those madness cards in those colors, lightning axe, and tormenting voice for enablers. from under the floorboards is enough to make me consider using black in this deck as well. its so strong when you madness it. I made a thematic liliana deck for my girlfriend to use and it slots right in there. +1 LotV and make 3+ zombies is gross.
Hi, I am new to the game and I just got from under the floorboards. I have a zombie/vampire commander deck and want to add this card. Problem is I don't know how to use it. Could u please help me out with how it is used???
Not sure if you mean in terms of the rules or in terms of the strategy.
Rules-wise, by default: pay 3BB at Sorcery speed and get 3 Zombies and 3 life.
Any time something causes you to discard this card (not necessarily at Sorcery speed): pay xBB (meaning BB plus any amount of mana you choose) to put X zombies into play.
The second mode is interesting for two reasons:
1. It neutralizes the downside of discarding. Say for example you have Liliana of the Veil and 5 Swamps in play and From Under the Floorboards and Grave Titan in your hand, you can tick Liliana up, discard FUtF and cast FUtF for its Madness cost on your turn while keeping that Titan, essentially giving you a free card.
2. It allows more flexibility in casting. If, for example, you have Jace, Vryn's Prodigy in play and a Counterspell and FUtF in hand, you get the benefit of a draw from Jace while nullifying the normal drawback of his discard, but you also get the flexibility to cast FUtF at Instant speed, to cadt it for under 5 mana, or to cast it for more than 3 Zombies/Life.
Holy crap, I played this card last night and it's insane. Casting it for just its regular cost at Sorcery-speed is kind of meh, but casting it at the end of opponent's turn for its Madness cost is bananas. I cast one for 8 and one for 9 against two different opponents and it ended the game right then and there (one scooped and the other lost after I swung for lethal after tapping out two of his creatures.
I don't usually play black, but this card is so great that I started thinking about a couple of different constructed decks that could make it work, like a monoblack madness or some kind of control shell that uses discard outlets like Call the Bloodline or Liliana.
Has anyone else had a chance to play this card? What's everyone else's opinion about it?
the issue with it is that the madness regular archetype for the coming standard tends to be more on the aggro side.
If there's enough discard outlets and you can generate 8+ mana to cast this before you lose, then it's really bananas.
I'm not really sure which shell this is playing with.
people is calling this "Zombie Revelation" in a obvious throwback to Sphinx's Revelation and I think this is an accurate parallel.
decks using this will do something to estabilish, then probably wrath the table with Languish or something and then drop this for the win.
It's not a card you put in your deck and forget about it because in a vacuum it's not that good.
but if your deck manages to cast it for 8+ mana at the end of someone's turn, you're in for a lot of power.
Rules-wise, by default: pay 3BB at Sorcery speed and get 3 Zombies and 3 life.
Any time something causes you to discard this card (not necessarily at Sorcery speed): pay xBB (meaning BB plus any amount of mana you choose) to put X zombies into play.
The second mode is interesting for two reasons:
1. It neutralizes the downside of discarding. Say for example you have Liliana of the Veil and 5 Swamps in play and From Under the Floorboards and Grave Titan in your hand, you can tick Liliana up, discard FUtF and cast FUtF for its Madness cost on your turn while keeping that Titan, essentially giving you a free card.
2. It allows more flexibility in casting. If, for example, you have Jace, Vryn's Prodigy in play and a Counterspell and FUtF in hand, you get the benefit of a draw from Jace while nullifying the normal drawback of his discard, but you also get the flexibility to cast FUtF at Instant speed, to cadt it for under 5 mana, or to cast it for more than 3 Zombies/Life.
Strategically, running FUtF means a few things:
You more freely run effects that have Discard as a cost, like Liliana of the Veil, Liliana, Heretical Healer, Smuggler's Copter, Smallpox/Pox, Collective Brutality, Undertaker or Macabre Waltz. And with all of those, your consistency will improve with additional cards with Madness (like Gisa's Bidding) or benefits from being discarded (like Haunted Dead, Prized Amalgam or Gravecrawler)
Your rewards for putting lots of Zombies into play go farther. Playing a whole lot of 2/2 Zombie tokens at once improves cards like Cemetery Reaper, Death Baron, Lord of the Undead, Risen Executioner, Undead Warchief, Unbreathing Horde, Cryptbreaker, Endless Ranks of the Dead, Graveborn Muse, Gravespawn Sovereign, Liliana, the Last Hope, Gempalm Polluter or Zombie Trailblazer. And again, you'd increase consistency with additional redundant effects like Gisa's Bidding, Dark Salvation, Moan of the Unhallowed, Grave Titan, Empty the Pits, Army of the Damned or Ghoulcaller Gisa.
And lots of cheap tokens can also be used to fuel powerful effects with sacrifice costs like Attrition, Mind Slash, Smokestack, Contamination, Gate to Phyrexia, Recurring Nightmare or Sadistic Hypnotist.