This Forum is actualy supossed to disquss the Card. so im not a Fan of Jace either. Especially not this one. Even if its fair this time, its too boring for me to wanna Play him. & then . . . they make him the face of Innistrad. They hyped him with this just to make him such an unexciting Card.
Everyone complaining about how this Jace is so boring. I think we all forgot, so here you go.
They wont reprint another exciting Jace for a while. New Jace may see some play in both standard and modern, so for WotC its mission accomplished.
Way to expensive for Modern play. If it was 4 cmc; I would have been interested. 5 cmc that requires 2 blue makes having answer open really hard. Should have given him flash to cast, cause that would have been cool.
I don't care how many version of a plains walker they print, just print stuff I can use please.
In upcoming Standard, though, the aggravating UW players are going to play this card, then -2 to bounce their Reflector Mage then resummon it. Every. Single. Turn.
I worry that it may be too good. The blue walkers are more easily playable than any other color it seems. Every Jace outside of the original has seen at least some standard play. Well, I guess maybe not Guildpact but how often has Chandra seen the same amount of Standard play? I guess that's my beef.
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Just a single source of many, but market research done by WotC tells them that jace is the most popular planeswalker among the playerbase, however Chandra is catching up on him. People who dislike him are definitely the minority of players. Just like how Kamigawa is popular plane among a vocal minority of players, but market research showed that most of the magic populous did not like the setting.
WotC relies on market research to try and put out products that make them money. They would not prop up a character that was not well liked because that is counterintuitive from a business standpoint. People want Jace cards, so they print Jace cards, end of story.
Jace has been pushed from the start.
All of the Lorwyn 5 had the same start. The original Garruk was probably the most played of the bunch if I recollect correctly, and is actually still played in fringe Modern decks like Death Cloud. However, more players liked Jace as a concept, so they pushed Jace. That's not exactly a hard concept to get behind.
The title for the most powerful planeswalker is even up for debate, as Liliana contests Jace in Legacy (as do Tezzeret, Karn, Ugin...).
I'm also pretty sure you're selectively forgetting that both Chandra and Garruk had their time as the face of magic, with two of the core sets that pushed them to the forefront. Garruk even had a whole event after himself, challenge deck, cardboard cutout, physical axe and all! Jace can't claim that. Not to mention prior to SoI, Garruk and Jace were tied for numbers of planeswalker cards, and I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Garruk...
To be fair, they hardly need to do that with Jace since he shows up on event posters, promotional items, their website, products etc.
However, while I'm sure we'll see Garruk again, I don't think it will be soon. Players have taken a liking to Nissa, and she's part of the gatewatch while Garruk isn't.
I feel like Jace is somewhat lacking in personality. I actually really liked his origins story though. The best I got from his character is him being horribly naive, which is at least 1 negative personality trait. But they don't emphasises it enough. He needs more dimensions to be a good character. He is just a blank slate that we are supposed to imprint ourselves onto.
Off topic. Nissa would of been 100 times better if she kept the racist stuff from before, with the context of her friend being killed by vampires so she hates them and then allow her to have a change of heart rather than erase it. much more compelling story.
Anyway the card.. is probably worse than Ob Nixis, The +1 is better but the -2 is worse although he can use it twice. It is a medicore card but it might see some sideboard play. You can use him to lock out a mid range opponent quite easily, actually maybe I convinced my self he is good. If a control deck Languish turn 4 then play Jace then bounce the opponents last play it's looking pretty good.
I love this card! Compared to Jace, memory adept and the guild pact one this version is awesome! Not a 4 of in any deck, but what a great draw late game when u are running a control deck.
I really think Jace being blue is a big part of it. Blue has been extremely contraversial the entire history I've played Magic. (since Scourge)I haven't really seen any more Jace related stuff than other Lorwyn walkers.
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Planeswalker - Jace
+1: Prevent all damage dealt to target creature this turn by sources you don't control.
-2: Untap all creatures you control that were dealt combat damage this turn.
0: Jace becomes a 0/4 legendary Human Wizard creature with protection from instants and sorceries and "All creatures able to attack this creature do so" and until the start of your next turn.
Loy: 3
This isn't balanced most likely, just wanted to make a card based on the rhyming name
Seriously though, the amount of planeswalkers coming out is crushing my hopes of returning to playing Magic as i wanted to start by collecting one of each planeswalker (by name). Gonna be too expensive. This version of Jace seems decent though.
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"If fetch lands are reprinted I really believe they will be in allied colors (aka Onslaught fetches). If the fetch lands are reprinted you better believe that we'll all be fetching up basics. This would lead me to believe that the set after THS may have a reprint as the temples can't be fetched but it's pure speculation." - posted 03/22/2014 proved correct during Khans spoiler season.
"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
All of the Lorwyn 5 had the same start. The original Garruk was probably the most played of the bunch if I recollect correctly, and is actually still played in fringe Modern decks like Death Cloud. However, more players liked Jace as a concept, so they pushed Jace. That's not exactly a hard concept to get behind.
The problem is that, as far as I can remember, Jace is the only planeswalker to reach $100 while in Standard. Twice (I'm rounding a little, but close enough). Every version of Jace has seen moderate to format-warping amounts of play except Jace, the Living Guildpact. People don't hate Jace simply because he's printed too much, or because he's blue, or whatever other weird reason people come up with. The simple fact is people are tired of Jace because he's a dynasty -- every Standard format has a Jace that falls higher than average on the playable-to-extremely-broken scale compared to any other Planeswalker.
Jace is to M:tG as the Patriots are to the NFL. And nobody likes the Patriots.
Agreed....and I'm just salty, bc I have been priced out of an entire color in standard! make pauper a real format!
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This new Jace actually seems like it might be Mindsculptor powered if it were 4 mana. I guess we'll see what kind of damage one mana can do to him, though. I really think scry 1, draw is better than brainstorm without fetches and would have been clearly better if they'd pushed it to scry 2.
Why did you even post this thread? And why are you double posting constantly? They'd have already had me arrested on this forum. Quit whinning. He's great, great character, balanced. This feels like what mindscultor probably should have been.
Without core sets, I expect to see less Jace in the future. But it definitely feels like we've reached diminishing returns with the character and he needs to get some development (ie, change, perhaps change colour identity - we haven't had a UW walker in a while, say). Otherwise it just feels like the same ground is being retrod again and again.
Which maybe is just a Magic specific problem; nobody complains that Captain America is basically the same character for 50 years.
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Just a single source of many, but market research done by WotC tells them that jace is the most popular planeswalker among the playerbase, however Chandra is catching up on him. People who dislike him are definitely the minority of players. Just like how Kamigawa is popular plane among a vocal minority of players, but market research showed that most of the magic populous did not like the setting.
WotC relies on market research to try and put out products that make them money. They would not prop up a character that was not well liked because that is counterintuitive from a business standpoint. People want Jace cards, so they print Jace cards, end of story.
Holy crap! Thanks for this. It makes me giddy to know that Chandra is getting the love she deserves.
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If Chandra became the "face of magic" and got the same exposure, power level, and number of cards that Jace has had in the past, I would be 100% ok with that.
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They wont reprint another exciting Jace for a while. New Jace may see some play in both standard and modern, so for WotC its mission accomplished.
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I don't care how many version of a plains walker they print, just print stuff I can use please.
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In upcoming Standard, though, the aggravating UW players are going to play this card, then -2 to bounce their Reflector Mage then resummon it. Every. Single. Turn.
I worry that it may be too good. The blue walkers are more easily playable than any other color it seems. Every Jace outside of the original has seen at least some standard play. Well, I guess maybe not Guildpact but how often has Chandra seen the same amount of Standard play? I guess that's my beef.
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To be fair, they hardly need to do that with Jace since he shows up on event posters, promotional items, their website, products etc.
However, while I'm sure we'll see Garruk again, I don't think it will be soon. Players have taken a liking to Nissa, and she's part of the gatewatch while Garruk isn't.
Which do you feel is better between ob nixilis and Sorin, grim nemesis ?
Please, let's forget Tibalt exists. Also, you forgot Tezzeret.
The card is good. I will be playing it.
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Jace, Maced in the Face 2WU
Planeswalker - Jace
+1: Prevent all damage dealt to target creature this turn by sources you don't control.
-2: Untap all creatures you control that were dealt combat damage this turn.
0: Jace becomes a 0/4 legendary Human Wizard creature with protection from instants and sorceries and "All creatures able to attack this creature do so" and until the start of your next turn.
Loy: 3
This isn't balanced most likely, just wanted to make a card based on the rhyming name
Seriously though, the amount of planeswalkers coming out is crushing my hopes of returning to playing Magic as i wanted to start by collecting one of each planeswalker (by name). Gonna be too expensive. This version of Jace seems decent though.
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"The set releases for fall 2015 (Blood, Sweat and Tears) and fall 2016 (Lock, Stock and Barrel). One or both of those 2 blocks (I'm betting) are going to contain either Fetch reprints or (more likely) Filter reprints. Filter lands still need a reprint. They are getting pretty high up there and it's been longer than ZEN so it makes a little more sense that Filter lands would see print earlier that fetches." - posted 03/22/2014 proved incorrect about filters coming earlier than fetches, still pending on filters in Origins block.
Agreed....and I'm just salty, bc I have been priced out of an entire color in standard! make pauper a real format!
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But... the art is horrible
What are the odds of this being reprinted later this year or next year with alternate art in a Duel Deck, perhaps? Please?
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