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@jar75
I'm not a huge fan of his list (No End Hostilities!?!?), but his manabase is really solid and as you picked up, with 4 Anticipate, you can drop to 26 lands. Unlike UW, Roast + Anger of the Gods allows you to run fewer or no Nullify main.

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Land 26 4x Flooded Strand 3x Island 4x Mystic Monastery 2x Plains 4x Shivan Reef 4x Temple of Enlightenment 4x Temple of Epiphany 1x Temple of Triumph Draw 8 4 Anticipate 4 Dig Through Time	Counter 8 4 Dissolve 2 Disdainful Stroke 2 Negate Sweepers 6 3 End Hostilities 3 Anger of the Gods Targeted Removal 6 3 Roast 3 Banishing Light Tech 1 1 Ojutai's Command Planeswalkers 5 2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion 2 Narset Transcendent 1 Keranos, God of Storms	Sideboard 3 Encase in Ice 2 Negate 2 Erase 2 Soulfire Grand Master 2 Jace's Ingenuity 1 Disdainful Stroke 1 Fated Retribution 1 Anger of the Gods 1 Pearl Lake Ancient

One thing I didn't like about his mana base was that he only had 13 red sources in the list. That doesn't seem like it's enough to reliably cast Anger. I upped mine to 16 (still a bit light for RR on turn 3) at the expense of some white sources. I don't need WW until turn 6, so it seemed like a better plan. Mana base is pretty damn slow though.

I'm not a big fan of the 5 mana wraths in this format, especially now that the GW Manifest deck has emerged. I thought about including 2 (1 main, 1 board), but I just like Vault better. Anger + Elspeth's minus ability seems like it'd be enough to clean everything up that slips through.

You're probably right on the Nullify, especially now that the command can do it's own Nullify impersonation.

Encase in Ice is something I likely should have found a place for. That does do a great job of disabling Stormbreath.

Keranos, for as much as I love that card, doesn't seem well positioned. There are so many must answer enchantments in standard that there will be ample hate for him around. The same is true for B-Light, but I do think those are worth the risk (if you're not on the Vault plan).

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about Narset. The +1 will frequently draw you a card; rebounding one of your draw spells is fantastic; but I'm not sure if that's enough or not. I like her a lot more in a proactive deck.

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Dragonlord Dromoka is obivously a crippling card against us, but what does everyone think of a green splash to include her on our side? She wrecks the mirror, UB and mid range.

I like her a lot, but the thing about pure control decks is that you're not really worried about being able to cast spells or your turn. The goal is to be casting spells during your opponent's turns, limiting, countering, and removing their options and permanents. The only spells we should be casting on our turn is our wincons. I mean, I'm not saying no to her, but Pearl Lake Ancient is just as good a finisher, has flash and prowess, and doesn't require us to add a third color to our deck. I could maybe see her replacing Prognostic Sphinx in my deck (previously posted in this thread) as a sideboard card, and running PLA mainboard.

I guess what I like most about her is she has evasion and lifelink. The uncounterable is nice, and the Grand Abolisher effect helpful in a few corner cases. Is the absence of Flash too much to lose PLA to?

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Dragonlord Dromoka is obivously a crippling card against us, but what does everyone think of a green splash to include her on our side? She wrecks the mirror, UB and mid range.

I like her a lot, but the thing about pure control decks is that you're not really worried about being able to cast spells or your turn. The goal is to be casting spells during your opponent's turns, limiting, countering, and removing their options and permanents. The only spells we should be casting on our turn is our wincons. I mean, I'm not saying no to her, but Pearl Lake Ancient is just as good a finisher, has flash and prowess, and doesn't require us to add a third color to our deck. I could maybe see her replacing Prognostic Sphinx in my deck (previously posted in this thread) as a sideboard card, and running PLA mainboard.

I guess what I like most about her is she has evasion and lifelink. The uncounterable is nice, and the Grand Abolisher effect helpful in a few corner cases. Is the absence of Flash too much to lose PLA to?

I feel it's better than PLA, PLA can survive removal, but has literally no evasion. But not worth going bant.

@jar75
So here's a thing... GW Devotion. A much as I like the UWR, I think it isn't very good against GW Devotion and UB and Esper don't have the legs for it either. That deck has to be attacked with sweepers and counters, they have to be made to overextend. Maybe it has to be attacked with Perilous Vault in place of Banishing Light, although I am not a fan of that card in UW. If I tap out, I want to do it for one turn only unless I am playing another card. Plus, I want rebound against them. I want them to have to face repeated sweepers.

@Everyone
Does anyone else feel like Contradict is pretty much better than either Ux Command? I know 5 mana is bad, but it is already better than Silumgar's Command and if it was 4 mana, it would be outright better than Ojutai's Command too. Counter any spell, draw 1 is pretty powerful.

This is what I am planning on running ATM, with everything spoiled:


EDIT:
After reading Shaheen Soorani's article on SCG, I feel like Silumgar's Scorn might be the way to go, as that UU really does work turns 2-4 against almost every deck and forces decks that would want to tap out to hold back. Of course, that would mean changes to the deck, like a couple Dragonlord Ojutai and a 1-of Haven of the Spirit Dragon.

Too bad our other dragons kind of stink.

This is what i am currently Testing

Please tell me how a playset of Silumgar's Scorn with only one dragon works out. I am concerned it may be a dead draw when it really counts. Please also let me know how Narsetwalker performs, she seems to be a card advantage machine that might not necessarily win the game for you.

Silumgar's Scorn is fine turns 1-4 with out a dragon because it still force spike's, late game you don't really want it unless you have a dragon. Which making an opp play around force spike in game 2 is good to because it makes them play off curve, and you can easily board out the scorn's for more relevant Counterspells.

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Silumgar's Scorn is fine turns 1-4 with out a dragon because it still force spike's, late game you don't really want it unless you have a dragon. Which making an opp play around force spike in game 2 is good to because it makes them play off curve, and you can easily board out the scorn's for more relevant Counterspells.

Actually, it's quite bad on turns 1 & 2 since you'll likely have a tap land, and is just an overcosted force spike on 3 and 4.

Initially i was very High on Silumgar's Scorn as i got to hit quite a few people with it t2-4 and just disrupt, but the card is practically worthless late game in my build so i went back to this.

You could probably splash red to make it more controlly.

I like the counter spells.
Truly a very controlly deck.

Dragonlord Ojutai's price sure has shot up since release, from an average of $5 to now around $16. What are the decks brewing with him?