So everyone has to adhere to your version of fun? Um no. Fun is subjective and combo is just as relevant as any other strategy in magic, including land destruction and good counter spells(which happen to be answers to combo). Instead, standard has been turned into turn dudes sideways or play overcosted counters and removal until i can turn a dude sideways. whoopty doo
Maybe, um, maybe you should stop playing, then. And just play solitaire on your computer.
Because that is literally what playing combo is.
No, it's not literally what playing combo is.
Or are you going for the "I'm only pretending to act like I have no idea what I'm talking about" route?
I believe his point is as it stands there aren't enough cards to police combo with. Before combo gets stronger, we need better answers. Combo shouldn't get a free win just because we cant maindeck answers against them because the answers aren't broad enough.
And what kind of cards should we police combo with? You're operating under the faulty assumption that combo will insta-win Game 1 like it's Dredge and then get wrecked Games 2 and 3. I've played combo decks for a while and nearly all of them have been creature based (Angel of Glory's Rise or Kiora's Follower). Don't try and say that you need better answers-they're all there.
I was thinking more of modern with going infinite, or yes those decks like storm that win g1 and lose the rest. As far as standard goes, yea we could use some combo I do agree, but I'd like to see some more hate printed with it. I DONT want another deck like mazes end printed that's difficult to interact with and you just race. I'd rather NO COMBO than that.
There is Slaughter Games, Thoughtseize, the large amount of graveyard hate, and the efficient creature, artifact, and enchantment removal spells.
I'm aware, but those are mostly sideboard cards. This is why I'm fine with creature based combo in standard. You stand a chance g1 just off your mainboard.
-Said by someone on MTGS after every single set release.
How original.
Agreed. This certainly isn't the worst set in history (though it is the weakest block in history in terms of impact on Modern, Legacy, Extended (I know, not applicable anymore), and Vintage).
Lets look at all the sets before it. By power level they all have at least a couple of Legacy/Modern playable cards.
RTR: Abrupt decay, Domri Rade, Voice of Resurgence, Shocks
Innistrad: Snappie and Liliana
Mirrodin 2.0: Swords, Batterskull, GSZ, Mox Opal, Hero of BH, Dismember, Pod
Zendikar: JACE, Fetches, Eldrazi titans, Pyromancer's Ascension, Stoneforge mystic, Spell pierce
Shards: Noble hierach, Path to exile, Bloodbraid elf
Lor/Shadowmoor: Kitchen Finks, Manamorphose, Cryptic command, Ponder, Blitterblossom, Vendillion Clique, thoughtseize
My point is that all of these sets have some relatively broken cards that have been staples in modern and legacy decks.
Theros literally only has thoughtseize, Maybe anger of the gods and thassa+MOW for merlfok if you want to push it
Lets look at all the sets before it. By power level they all have at least a couple of Legacy/Modern playable cards.
RTR: Abrupt decay, Domri Rade, Voice of Resurgence, Shocks
Innistrad: Snappie and Liliana
Mirrodin 2.0: Swords, Batterskull, GSZ, Mox Opal, Hero of BH, Dismember, Pod
Zendikar: JACE, Fetches, Eldrazi titans, Pyromancer's Ascension, Stoneforge mystic, Spell pierce
Shards: Noble hierach, Path to exile, Bloodbraid elf
Lor/Shadowmoor: Kitchen Finks, Manamorphose, Cryptic command, Ponder, Blitterblossom, Vendillion Clique, thoughtseize
My point is that all of these sets have some relatively broken cards that have been staples in modern and legacy decks.
Theros literally only has thoughtseize, Maybe anger of the gods and thassa+MOW for merlfok if you want to push it
The debate is long over my friend. For competitive constructed players these sets give little to nothing. You just have to look at card and box values to know that.
Ah, this thread again. It never goes away does it. Swan Song has been showing up in Vintage, Legacy AND Modern top 8 decks, granted mostly in sideboards but in the list nontheless. Brimaz, King of Oreskos, Anger of the Gods and Courser of Kruphix are showing up in Modern top 8 lists. JOU is still fresh so give it time, and I think there will be a few more cards showing up from this set as well.
As usual people are overreacting and not looking at the big picture. Power creep is real, simply due to the nature of the game and Wizards is aware of this. They are now very careful to not release broken cards any longer in Standard and Modern, plus they have supplemental sets like Conspiracy to provide new cards for Vintage and Legacy players.
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I'm aware, but those are mostly sideboard cards. This is why I'm fine with creature based combo in standard. You stand a chance g1 just off your mainboard.
-Said by someone on MTGS after every single set release.
How original.
Agreed. This certainly isn't the worst set in history (though it is the weakest block in history in terms of impact on Modern, Legacy, Extended (I know, not applicable anymore), and Vintage).
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
RTR: Abrupt decay, Domri Rade, Voice of Resurgence, Shocks
Innistrad: Snappie and Liliana
Mirrodin 2.0: Swords, Batterskull, GSZ, Mox Opal, Hero of BH, Dismember, Pod
Zendikar: JACE, Fetches, Eldrazi titans, Pyromancer's Ascension, Stoneforge mystic, Spell pierce
Shards: Noble hierach, Path to exile, Bloodbraid elf
Lor/Shadowmoor: Kitchen Finks, Manamorphose, Cryptic command, Ponder, Blitterblossom, Vendillion Clique, thoughtseize
My point is that all of these sets have some relatively broken cards that have been staples in modern and legacy decks.
Theros literally only has thoughtseize, Maybe anger of the gods and thassa+MOW for merlfok if you want to push it
Decks:
Standard:
Gruul aggro
Modern:
MonoG infect
Edh:
Nekusar, Too bad you have to discard your deck at the end step.
Casual:
I'm trying to make tibalt work guys!
Dimir mill
I'll have you know when I saw Phenax spoiled,
I cried for only 20 minutes.
The debate is long over my friend. For competitive constructed players these sets give little to nothing. You just have to look at card and box values to know that.
As usual people are overreacting and not looking at the big picture. Power creep is real, simply due to the nature of the game and Wizards is aware of this. They are now very careful to not release broken cards any longer in Standard and Modern, plus they have supplemental sets like Conspiracy to provide new cards for Vintage and Legacy players.