Modern: RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries Legacy:BRx Renimator Playing right now:Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
Holy Crap Spoilers ive seen ... so many crappy rares and mythics, uncommons are good enough for standard, but its all
Only Elspeth PW and Thoughtseize are really GOD cards, and the last one its a reprint from a modern staple
I feel fooled by Wotc, i want my money back
Is this will be or are the worse sets?
Anyway, how long have you been playing Magic? By what you're saying and how you're saying it, I get the impression that you haven't played or followed for long and you're not that old either.
Some of the older people here will know of an expansion called Homelands (I followed the game since 6 Ed. but played from Masques/Invasion and stopped a few years after). I am not being hyperbolic when I say this: nothing can be worse than that. Look it up and you will understand why.
Here we go again, literally every block, no matter how good stuff is, or how even mildly okay they are, someone makes this thread about the block, always before stuff is even tested out. How can Theros be one of the worst sets in magic history if it has warped standard into a few really good decks like r/g monsters, mono u devotion, and mono b devotion? Just because you don't like the cards, doesn't make the set or or sets bad, especially when there are plenty of cards seeing play.
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they are pushing devotion, devotion gets the strength, so a lot of cards are strong in synergy but not exactly insane by themselves. Theros isnt even that weak...
I'm more worried about reference to "god" cards. How much overwhelming power does one need, anyway? We're not Warhammer 40,000 orks, after all. (Besides, if you find yourself without enough ammunition to take on enemy reinforcements, I do believe you DEFINITELY used too much dakka...)
Cough Saviors of Kamigawa/Homelands/Fallen Empires /cough. I'm not a fan of Theros or Born of the Gods (so far), but they aren't the worst sets of all time.
I just have to wonder what they're using for their "best set of all time" to determine that end of the spectrum. Urza's Saga strikes me as a little too facile to be the usual one (not to mention that, from what I've heard, that was only a small fraction of the set responsible; "best set" would mean a LARGE fraction passed muster, I expect).
{sweatdrop} I suppose the question now becomes, what would you call an environment WITHOUT broken cards? (Relatively sedate isn't a BAD thing around here, is it?)
I just have to wonder what they're using for their "best set of all time" to determine that end of the spectrum. Urza's Saga strikes me as a little too facile to be the usual one (not to mention that, from what I've heard, that was only a small fraction of the set responsible; "best set" would mean a LARGE fraction passed muster, I expect).
I have got to say that I think that the best block/set in a while was Innistrad. It had awesome flavor and was powerful enough to warp Legacy and Modern around it without being too powerful for Standard.
I will have to agree sadly... this bock is very... unexciting.
I'm not going to say the cards suck. I like the God's and they gave us Thoughtseize but idk...
I just really don't find the block and cards interesting like I did with the Scars block and Innistrad. There has not been a single card were I said 'holy crap, I want a playset no matter the cost'.
Yea you could say we didn't even see the whole set yet, but its a small set and I'm sure the rest is no better.
Its not that I want a set of broken high power go to cards. But I do want something that I can look at an say 'awesome, lets base a deck around it', or 'damn I want those for said deck'.
I seriously dislike pretty much all of Theros and most of what has been spoiled so far in BNG. But it does not hold a candle to even Kamigawa or Masques blocks, much less Homelands, for sheer terribleness.
As a longtime veteran, I have to agree with the original post generally speaking. I played during Homelands and its resemblance of Theros & Born of the Gods is uncanny. Both Theros and Homelands had charming settings but almost every card that had potential reeked of having an extra {2} slapped onto its mana cost to render it useless. The return to this impotent design mentality returned for Gatecrash and progressively worsened since. Homelands at least contained Merchant Scroll. Ever since Odyssey, Wizards has done a great job making interesting blocks with a few marquis cards that were powerful enough to shape Eternal formats in a relevant manner without exception. Theros block is the first in over a decade that stands to be utterly irrelevant.
I seriously dislike pretty much all of Theros and most of what has been spoiled so far in BNG. But it does not hold a candle to even Kamigawa or Masques blocks, much less Homelands, for sheer terribleness.
Kamigawa and Masques weren't completely horrible in terms of power-level. Masques had Daze and Brainstorm (and probably several other cards that I'm not remembering right now) while Kamigawa had Kiki-Jiki, Umezawa's Jitte, Goryo's Vengeance, Through the Breach, Disrupting Shoal, Blazing Shoal, Pithing Needle, Gifts Ungiven, Azusa, Glimpse of Nature, Sensei's Divining Top, Ninja of the Deep Hours, Kira, Sowing Salt, Lava Spike, Boseiju, Peer Through Depths, Eiganjo Castle, and Desperate Ritual.
Anyway, how long have you been playing Magic? By what you're saying and how you're saying it, I get the impression that you haven't played or followed for long and you're not that old either.
Some of the older people here will know of an expansion called Homelands (I followed the game since 6 Ed. but played from Masques/Invasion and stopped a few years after). I am not being hyperbolic when I say this: nothing can be worse than that. Look it up and you will understand why.
Is there even a single card in the entirety of Homelands that is played even at the most fringe level in any format? I can't think of a single one. Not EDH, not Pauper, not even the most casual of casual formats have I ever seen someone play a homelands card. And it isn't even a product of becoming irrelevant with time; it was irrelevant as a set 15 years ago when I started playing, and from I've heard talking to people it was considered terrible on release. Baron Sengir was the only card anybody wanted, as far as I know, and even then he wasn't that amazing.
I would say that the worst set was Mirrodin actually. That set alone damn near killed the game with the degeneracy of the format. Talking to my current game store, they still remember what that set did to FNM. Went from about 30 people at the time to often times 8 or fewer. There were times post Mirrodin when they couldn't even fire an FNM due to low player turnout.
I'm not a huge fan of where Magic has gone overall since the 1990s, but I adore the art and flavor of the Theros block so far. If I can find the money and time I'll attend the BNG prerelease for that reason alone.
Is there even a single card in the entirety of Homelands that is played even at the most fringe level in any format? I can't think of a single one. Not EDH, not Pauper, not even the most casual of casual formats have I ever seen someone play a homelands card. And it isn't even a product of becoming irrelevant with time; it was irrelevant as a set 15 years ago when I started playing, and from I've heard talking to people it was considered terrible on release. Baron Sengir was the only card anybody wanted, as far as I know, and even then he wasn't that amazing.
I would say that the worst set was Mirrodin actually. That set alone damn near killed the game with the degeneracy of the format. Talking to my current game store, they still remember what that set did to FNM. Went from about 30 people at the time to often times 8 or fewer. There were times post Mirrodin when they couldn't even fire an FNM due to low player turnout.
Merchant Scroll was from Homelands and it was restricted in Vintage. Also, I'd say the Urza block came closer to killing the game than the Mirrodin block.
Merchant Scroll was from Homelands and it was restricted in Vintage. Also, I'd say the Urza block came closer to killing the game than the Mirrodin block.
Ah, thank you. That actually is an extremely good card, particularly for eternal formats.
As far as Urza block is concerned, that's when I started to play and I didn't pay any attention to tournament level play until late in the Masques block, and even then I only knew a small bit of information due to not having any sort of venue to play as suc. So I know what it was like in passing.
I have memories of Mirrodin, though, and it was terrible all-around from experience. Urza block looks the same.
Frankly, I'd rather have 5 Theros blocks in a row than a single Urza/Mirrodin block again. That said, I'd prefer a little bit more push than Theros, but certainly never the level of degeneracy as then.
Ah, thank you. That actually is an extremely good card, particularly for eternal formats.
As far as Urza block is concerned, that's when I started to play and I didn't pay any attention to tournament level play until late in the Masques block, and even then I only knew a small bit of information due to not having any sort of venue to play as suc. So I know what it was like in passing.
I have memories of Mirrodin, though, and it was terrible all-around from experience. Urza block looks the same.
Frankly, I'd rather have 5 Theros blocks in a row than a single Urza/Mirrodin block again. That said, I'd prefer a little bit more push than Theros, but certainly never the level of degeneracy as then.
True. What we really need are blocks that are able to warp the eternal formats around them without needing bans in Standard (see Innistrad's effect on Legacy and Modern).
Er...I suspect there's a timbre that I'm missing, but doesn't "warp" suggest that something was done wrong?
That said, I'm still trying to figure out if ones like the topic creator are trying to get an adrenaline rush out of the game (q.v. referring to things like Thoughtseize as "GOD" cards; as much the word choice as the capitalization). I suppose chess and shogi are out of the question for them...But if adrenaline is part of it, I suppose that WOULD make "reasonably sedate" a bad thing for them.
(And the less said about hyper-unalloyed-tunnel-vision-Spikes, the better. As in, the sort that you'd swear thinks a win streak is necessary and sufficient for enjoyment. What's their failsafe to make sure they get enjoyment even if they lose several times in a row? Although whether they exist in sizable numbers...)
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Only Elspeth PW and Thoughtseize are really GOD cards, and the last one its a reprint from a modern staple
I feel fooled by Wotc, i want my money back
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Is this will be or are the worse sets?
Anyway, how long have you been playing Magic? By what you're saying and how you're saying it, I get the impression that you haven't played or followed for long and you're not that old either.
Some of the older people here will know of an expansion called Homelands (I followed the game since 6 Ed. but played from Masques/Invasion and stopped a few years after). I am not being hyperbolic when I say this: nothing can be worse than that. Look it up and you will understand why.
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Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
I think Theros and Born of the Gods is fine, no way is either the worst set ever created.
Personally that block/set is Zendikar. So every time we get a set without a dozen broken cards, i just think "yeah cool but do you remember zendikar?"
I have got to say that I think that the best block/set in a while was Innistrad. It had awesome flavor and was powerful enough to warp Legacy and Modern around it without being too powerful for Standard.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
I'm not going to say the cards suck. I like the God's and they gave us Thoughtseize but idk...
I just really don't find the block and cards interesting like I did with the Scars block and Innistrad. There has not been a single card were I said 'holy crap, I want a playset no matter the cost'.
Yea you could say we didn't even see the whole set yet, but its a small set and I'm sure the rest is no better.
Its not that I want a set of broken high power go to cards. But I do want something that I can look at an say 'awesome, lets base a deck around it', or 'damn I want those for said deck'.
I seriously dislike pretty much all of Theros and most of what has been spoiled so far in BNG. But it does not hold a candle to even Kamigawa or Masques blocks, much less Homelands, for sheer terribleness.
Kamigawa and Masques weren't completely horrible in terms of power-level. Masques had Daze and Brainstorm (and probably several other cards that I'm not remembering right now) while Kamigawa had Kiki-Jiki, Umezawa's Jitte, Goryo's Vengeance, Through the Breach, Disrupting Shoal, Blazing Shoal, Pithing Needle, Gifts Ungiven, Azusa, Glimpse of Nature, Sensei's Divining Top, Ninja of the Deep Hours, Kira, Sowing Salt, Lava Spike, Boseiju, Peer Through Depths, Eiganjo Castle, and Desperate Ritual.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Is there even a single card in the entirety of Homelands that is played even at the most fringe level in any format? I can't think of a single one. Not EDH, not Pauper, not even the most casual of casual formats have I ever seen someone play a homelands card. And it isn't even a product of becoming irrelevant with time; it was irrelevant as a set 15 years ago when I started playing, and from I've heard talking to people it was considered terrible on release. Baron Sengir was the only card anybody wanted, as far as I know, and even then he wasn't that amazing.
I would say that the worst set was Mirrodin actually. That set alone damn near killed the game with the degeneracy of the format. Talking to my current game store, they still remember what that set did to FNM. Went from about 30 people at the time to often times 8 or fewer. There were times post Mirrodin when they couldn't even fire an FNM due to low player turnout.
there is 2 MR and a bunch of commons for spoiler soo i would still would hold my breath
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Merchant Scroll was from Homelands and it was restricted in Vintage. Also, I'd say the Urza block came closer to killing the game than the Mirrodin block.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Ah, thank you. That actually is an extremely good card, particularly for eternal formats.
As far as Urza block is concerned, that's when I started to play and I didn't pay any attention to tournament level play until late in the Masques block, and even then I only knew a small bit of information due to not having any sort of venue to play as suc. So I know what it was like in passing.
I have memories of Mirrodin, though, and it was terrible all-around from experience. Urza block looks the same.
Frankly, I'd rather have 5 Theros blocks in a row than a single Urza/Mirrodin block again. That said, I'd prefer a little bit more push than Theros, but certainly never the level of degeneracy as then.
True. What we really need are blocks that are able to warp the eternal formats around them without needing bans in Standard (see Innistrad's effect on Legacy and Modern).
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
That said, I'm still trying to figure out if ones like the topic creator are trying to get an adrenaline rush out of the game (q.v. referring to things like Thoughtseize as "GOD" cards; as much the word choice as the capitalization). I suppose chess and shogi are out of the question for them...But if adrenaline is part of it, I suppose that WOULD make "reasonably sedate" a bad thing for them.
(And the less said about hyper-unalloyed-tunnel-vision-Spikes, the better. As in, the sort that you'd swear thinks a win streak is necessary and sufficient for enjoyment. What's their failsafe to make sure they get enjoyment even if they lose several times in a row? Although whether they exist in sizable numbers...)