MTG Salvation

stuck on sleeve map, too scrambled to continue

made in USA box

Ok I have opened 3 boxes. first box was like above where one row had 13 packs. Program couldnt figure it out. So i opened box number 2. After the program crashing like 5-6 times(when the sceen would dim and i unlock the screen the program would crash every time) i got the second box mapped. So i went back to the first box thinking I'll just start pulling and maybe it will figure it out...half way threw the box still hadn't figured it out so i gave up. Now onto box number 3 unbox it enter all the pack info and it says its to scrambled....im ready to pull my hair out.


I'd guess the pattern to be 3-2-1-5-4 ? But I'm not sure. If thats right and how to shift to get that pattern. Its the only 5 different pack pattern i could see.

Update: he fixed this within 30min of sending him a email. Then fixed my last box within 5 min of emailing him. I am more then happy to pay $4 for support like that.

Tried my hand at my first box tonight with the mapper. Nothing

Said the sleeves were too scrambled to tell. Tried opening them and nada. E-mailed him and havent heard anything back.

Here's my info so far in case someone can help me pictures with sleeve map, partial box map, and packs. Any help would be appreciated, really wasnt planning to open whole box.

http://imgur.com/a/RCFhT

That box looks really messed up.
This is what I have so far (could be wrong):
Original

2 1 4 5 1 4 5 1 1 4 2 3
2 3 4 2 4 2 2 3 5 1 4 5
3 5 3 5 1 3 5 5 1 4 2 3

Then it may have shifted like this:

2 1 4 5 1 4 5 1 1 4 2 3
    2 3 4 2 4 2 2 3 5 1 4 5
  3 5 3 5 1 3 5 5 1 4 2 3

And then a swap (X's moved)

[COLOR="lime"]X[/COLOR] 1 4 5 1 4 5 1 1 4 2 3 [COLOR="red"]5[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="lime"]2[/COLOR] 2 3 4 2 4 2 2 3 5 1 4 [COLOR="red"]X[/COLOR]
  3 5 3 5 1 3 5 5 1 4 2 3

Then the red one moved back:

1 4 5 1 4 5 [COLOR="red"]1[/COLOR] 1 4 2 3 5
2 2 3 4 2 4 [COLOR="red"]2[/COLOR] 2 3 5 1 4
3 5 3 5 1 3 [COLOR="red"]5[/COLOR] 5 1 4 2 3

1 4 5 1 4 [COLOR="red"]|[/COLOR] 5 1 4 2 3 5 1
2 2 3 4 2 [COLOR="red"]|[/COLOR] 4 2 3 5 1 4 2
3 5 3 5 1 [COLOR="red"]|[/COLOR] 3 5 1 4 2 3 5

But that top half, I don't know. (everything after the red line matches)
Hope this helps.

Ok, really could use some help on this one....

5 3 4 5 1 2 5 1 2 3 4 5
1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 1
2 3 4 5 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5

I just can't get it figure out! Thanks in advance!

Quote from Tylarion

There is little known about belgium boxes. The best bet is just to try it, since as far as I know there is no specific map for belgium boxes. It would be nice if you told us if it works and if not what your sleeve map is and which rares you already opened. It may be only slightly different from USA boxes and we may still be able to help you.

The Made in Belgium boxes are completely different. There is a completely different packing order, columns, rather than rows. And there is different track/card orders. I would never even recommend attempting to use the USA maps on a Made in Belgium box.

Quote from Tylarion

I am sorry, I haven't seen any made in Belgium boxes and assumed they might be not that different. I scrolled through this thread and apparently Belgium Innistrat boxes are alot more common than gatecrash ones. It looks like they did figure it out, but yeah I don't see anyone posting the tracks.

I will try to figure them out myself then.

There are a lot of Belgium Gatecrash boxes now.
It's just that when Gatecrash first released everything was Made in USA. A few weeks after release they started printing in Belgium too. But, nobody ever posts anymore GTC boxes, so you don't really see them here.

Just keep in mind the different packing order, I believe they go from right to left one column at a time. Possibly only two tracks. Unfortunately you won't have the sleeve art to go off of.

Quote from brazii

Heres a belgium box #13: (to add to my list of the first 12 ive collected)

Left:
Falkenrath Marauders I
Endless Ranks of the Dead IV
Mikaeus, the Lunarch I
Champion of the Parish I
Elder of Laurels IV
Manor Gargoyle IV
Parallel Lives I
Rooftop Storm ?
Creeping Renaissance I
Tree of Redemption IV
Woodland Cemetery I
Stensia Bloodhall IV

Middle:
Blasphemous Act I
Stromkirk Noble I
Parallel Lives I
Dearly Departed I (the only track 1 pack out of order, maybe should be swapped with Parallel Lives unless Fredpies got it wrong?)
Snapcaster Mage I
Kessig Wolf Run I
Strumgeist I
Stony Silence I
Runechanters Pike I
Bloodgift Demon I
Olivia Voldaren I
Clifftop Retreat I

Right:
Gavony Township I
Stromkirk Noble I
Sever the bloodline I
Isolated Chapel I
Bloodgift Demon I
Kessig Cagebreakers I
Moldgraf Monstrosity I
Elite Inquisitor I
Curse of the Stalked Prey I
Balefire Dragon I
Army of the Damned IV
Gutter Grime I

I can confirm Fredpies mapped 'fragments' from the previous page for Belgium Innistrad are fairly accurate. I have labelled your rares corresponding to Fredpies tracks.

As Fredpies also mentioned, Innistrad Belgium has a super long track - if you were to count from the 'top' of your rares (i.e. Falkenrath Marauders) to the 'bottom' (i.e. Gutter Grime) you pulled rares sequentially from card #6 all the way down to card #35 on Fredpie's track I. The remaining five cards are from track IV and seem to be inserted seemingly randomly but also in sequential order.

The Rooftop Storm looks out of place and might be insertion from another track.

I was also able to use Fredpies' fragments to map my own box of Belgium cards accurately.

Interestingly, my box was easier to map because it didn't seem to have any insertion of a second track. There were numerous times where a pack would 'skip' a rare, but the overall pack sequencing followed Fredpies' tracks closely.

My box started at #64 (Devil's Play, track I) and ended on #106 (Skirsdag High Priest, track IV).
Going top-to-bottom (i.e. column first) and then left-to-right, I was able to map the approximate position of the high value cards - including the 5 available taplands and the Snapcaster (track 2, card #97) and Geist (track 1, card #88).

I would say using Fredpies track involved more guesswork and required me to open more packs than the more accurate sleeve mapping boxmappers available for Made in USA boxes. I opened 3 packs per column to ascertain the pattern in my Belgium box.

Quote from brazii

It seems it would be very hard to guess.

It one sense, it's simpler to map the approximate contents, but much harder to map the exact rares.

Can you print your results of your box you are talking about?

I only opened some of the packs because of my curiosity thanks to this thread, the rest of the packs are going to be used for a casual block draft

Left
Pack. Rare Name. Track Track # according to Fredpies
1. Devil's Play I #64
2. Geist-Honored Monk I #66
3. Sulfur Falls I #67

Mid
1. Mentor of the Meek I #81
2. Clifftop Retreat I #83
3. Rooftop Storm I #84
4. Creepy Doll I #86
5. Sulfur Falls I #87
6. Geist of Saint Traft I #88

Right
1. Nephalia Drownyard II #95
2. Laboratory Maniacs II #96
3. Snapcaster Mage II #97
4. Moorland Haunt III #98
7. Hinterland Harbour III #101
10. Isolated Chapel III #104