reckoner is not in the same league as cavern, snapcaster, or thragtusk
hell, it isnt even in the same league as silverblade paladin or hellrider. It's just a niche card that probably only deserves a spot as a 2of md or in the sb
i agree that it's not in the same league as caverns and snapcaster, but reckoner is still a good card right now in standard.
reckoner had the most copies in Top 8 in this weekend's Pro Tour
reckoner is not in the same league as cavern, snapcaster, or thragtusk
hell, it isnt even in the same league as silverblade paladin or hellrider. It's just a niche card that probably only deserves a spot as a 2of md or in the sb
I'm not sure he (jeremylin) is entirely wrong. I mean as I've stated before I don't play standard but I understand his point in saying he believes Silverblade Paladin and Hellrider are better. I would say that the Reckoner is certainly not a replacement for those cards simply because they are much more aggressive in the simple sense that they have immediate impact on the game (soulbound creature will be able to swing with doublestrike usually when the Paladin is played and you get what ever damage from creatures in play off of the hellrider the turn its played.) Reckoner doesn't do that. I'm not gonna say he's bad again(opened that can of worms once) but he certainly isn't a replacement for those two cards simply because of the aggression factor. Aggro decks want to be aggressive and while Reckoner is reasonably aggressive, he certainly isn't the breakneck aggressive that aggro decks generally want. I don't however think he's a niche card in standard. And for standard he is certainly good enough to build a deck around. To say otherwise would be hyperbolic (believe me I did)...lol.
Note this is all disregarding price. In all honesty Hellrider, Paladin and Reckoner are all pretty inflated right now.
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Stop being wrong, both of you. 4 decks in the top 8 of the pro tour this weekend run 4 of him. Reckoner was played in uwr control, black white red humans (yes,he's good enough to be run in a tricolor deck with 3 cavern of souls usually naming human, and a colorless land, in a deck with barely any synergy with him) and naya midrange.
I would say that the Reckoner is certainly not a replacement for those cards simply because they are much more aggressive in the simple sense that they have immediate impact on the game (soulbound creature will be able to swing with doublestrike usually when the Paladin is played and you get what ever damage from creatures in play off of the hellrider the turn its played.)
The winning deck black white red humans deck ran 4 of him, and only 2 silverblade. Please stop giving evaluations in a format you don't play if you have no idea what you're talking about.
This card will be the worst rare in RTR and less remembered than skaab ruibator in three months. It struggles to be on the same power level as mass of ghouls, even in limited.
That its not simply "not good enough for competitive", or underpowered. But that this is offensively bad, the real stinker tier.
Still, my best evaluation is that its approximately on the same power level as a 4/4 for 4 vanilla beater.
I'm not evaluating the format I'm evaluating the card. I don't need to play standard to do that. Sure he's getting results and will probably continue to since standard as no real good answers to him. Though I really don't think the format has had enough time to adapt to his popularity yet.
May I ask why you have so much affection for this guy? I mean whats the deal? Yeah he's good, I don't need to play standard to realize that. But any time there's constructive criticism you have to crawl out from wherever it is you come from and attack people.
Honestly Silverblade Palidan makes the reckoner better so mentioning them together is kinda moot. My question is did the player explicitly drop two paladins in order to run four reckoners, or was the deck tweaked that way regardless? I mean I really like the interaction between the two and apparently it worked quite well.
You are right though that I'm not qualified to evaluate the decks being run in standard now and whether or not he should or should not see play. That's really rather irrelevant though since I didn't say that and its pretty common knowledge he's the hottest thing in gatecrash right now.
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While we're talking a bit of synergy, has anyone tried the Reckoner with Into the Maw of Hell? Blow an opponent's land up and deal 13 damage to the face seems like a pretty good strategy for 6 mana.
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Stop being wrong, both of you. 4 decks in the top 8 of the pro tour this weekend run 4 of him. Reckoner was played in uwr control, black white red humans (yes,he's good enough to be run in a tricolor deck with 3 cavern of souls usually naming human, and a colorless land, in a deck with barely any synergy with him) and naya midrange.
The winning deck black white red humans deck ran 4 of him, and only 2 silverblade. Please stop giving evaluations in a format you don't play if you have no idea what you're talking about.
Considering all you said in this post is "the pros run more Reckoners, so it must be better than the other cards," it seems that you're the one with a limited ability to evaluate the format. Actually trying to evaluate the card yourself, rather than insult someone else's evaluation skills while contributing no thoughts of your own, would be a lot more beneficial to the discussion.
The winning Dega list also ran four Doomed Travelers. Does that make Traveler a better card than Silverblade? By your logic, apparently.
I do think Reckoner is better than Silverblade, as I stated above. What are your reasons for thinking so?
Quick question for you IDoC: Wouldn't Paladin be a situationally better late game drop in an aggressive build though under the assumption that you have something aggressive on the board and your looking to get damage through?
I mean turn three the reckoner is a bit better I'd imagine but giving my beater doublestrike late game seems pretty strong. Provided I'm not swinging into Reckoner...lol.
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Considering all you said in this post is "the pros run more Reckoners, so it must be better than the other cards," it seems that you're the one with a limited ability to evaluate the format. Actually trying to evaluate the card yourself, rather than insult someone else's evaluation skills while contributing no thoughts of your own, would be a lot more beneficial to the discussion.
What he said was that top decks ran 4 Reckoners - which is a completely legitimate point.
When one deck places well in a tournament playing a card - that can be written off to variance, luck, or whatever - but when 50% of the top decks are running a full set of a particular card, then that's pretty solid proof that the card is good.
The winning Dega list also ran four Doomed Travelers. Does that make Traveler a better card than Silverblade? By your logic, apparently.
D'wut? I mean, if you think Doomed Travelers were competing for the same slots in the deck that Silverblades were then yeah - you could make that argument. I don't usually compare 1-drops to 3-drops, though.
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.
Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.
Look, he is new tech. Everybody loves to play with new tech. I think the real question is the amount of removal and what kind (either burn or straight up destroy effects) people are playing now and what people are going to use to combat him in the future. Again this points a lot to me not knowing what standard is right now but it seems possible that people were running less removal and relied on more aggressive builds to carry them through. If that's the case and your opponent drops this guy your really SOL. By and large this is what I have found for standard removal that is costed aggressively enough to be effective against him: Executioner's Swing Abrupt Decay Avenging Arrow Bone Splinters Dreadbore Grisly Spectacle High Priest of Penance Killing Glare Launch Party Murder Orzhov Charm Rapid Hybridization Rebuke Skirsdag Flayer Smite Victim of Night.
There's only three or four here that are really good and probably less that are making it into decks. Maybe that number will change?
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While we're talking a bit of synergy, has anyone tried the Reckoner with Into the Maw of Hell? Blow an opponent's land up and deal 13 damage to the face seems like a pretty good strategy for 6 mana.
I'm not 100% sure it is, actually. If on your sixth turn you do nothing but kill one of their lands and one of your creatures, you're giving a serious advantage to your opponent. That 13 damage better kill him outright. That's not to say it won't happen, but if he kills your Reckoner in response you're left with pretty much a dead card. Land destruction is hardly viable even at 3-4 mana.
Blasphemous act does exactly what you propose, only better because it lets you kill their creatures as well, and can deal 26+ damage if you have more than one reckoner in play.
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I'm sure you can think of something by yourself.
While we're talking a bit of synergy, has anyone tried the Reckoner with Into the Maw of Hell? Blow an opponent's land up and deal 13 damage to the face seems like a pretty good strategy for 6 mana.
As Gerry T innovated, Harvest Pyre can be used to fry your own reckoner, could be used against Esper control, if they want to mill you at your EOT once they tap out for that final drownyard activation, you can use it to burn them for over 20. Also if you graveyard has enough cards in it when thay tap out for revelation you can get them then. Assuming of course they allow it to live........but if you have 4 and the games goes as long as it does.........
That's a good point. I was thinking that getting 7 damage in by turn six wouldn't be that difficult but hadn't considered someone sitting on a removal spell with this guy in play. I mean if he hits the board against me all I'm thinking about is how to get rid of him with as little pain as possible.
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I'm not 100% sure it is, actually. If on your sixth turn you do nothing but kill one of their lands and one of your creatures, you're giving a serious advantage to your opponent. That 13 damage better kill him outright. That's not to say it won't happen, but if he kills your Reckoner in response you're left with pretty much a dead card. Land destruction is hardly viable even at 3-4 mana.
Blasphemous act does exactly what you propose, only better because it lets you kill their creatures as well, and can deal 26+ damage if you have more than one reckoner in play.
I saw that control list was playing 4 maindeck Reckoners and 2 maindeck Blasphemous Acts. That has to be a hell of a house against aggro decks. Wipe the board and deal 13 to the dome.
I saw that control list was playing 4 maindeck Reckoners and 2 maindeck Blasphemous Acts. That has to be a hell of a house against aggro decks. Wipe the board and deal 13 to the dome.
Quick question for you IDoC: Wouldn't Paladin be a situationally better late game drop in an aggressive build though under the assumption that you have something aggressive on the board and your looking to get damage through?
I mean turn three the reckoner is a bit better I'd imagine but giving my beater doublestrike late game seems pretty strong. Provided I'm not swinging into Reckoner...lol.
Of course it can be situationally better. I'm not saying Silverblade is a bad card by any means, but I think Reckoner is generally better, mostly due to its likelihood of being effective compared to Silverblade's vulnerability to blowouts by removal during combat.
What he said was that top decks ran 4 Reckoners - which is a completely legitimate point.
Which I agree with. I was simply irritated that he was telling another poster that he was wrong and insulting his evaluation while not providing any counter-evaluations for discussion. Which made the wording of his post come off as needlessly arrogant, at least to me.
Maybe I've just run into too many arrogant people whose only real skill is copying decks, and it's biased me against those sorts of statements. (Not saying that description fits anyone here.)
D'wut? I mean, if you think Doomed Travelers were competing for the same slots in the deck that Silverblades were then yeah - you could make that argument. I don't usually compare 1-drops to 3-drops, though.
Point taken. My illustration was bad. I can assure you the my 1-drops and 3-drops don't usually compete for the same spots in my decks.
Gotcha. Next question, what is being played that would be bad against Reckoner but fine against Paladin? Is it Mizzium Mortars?
Again just curious.
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Comparing boros reckoner to silverblade paladin is laughable. Paladin has been around in standard for about a year and I'm not sure if it's even made top 8 of a GP. Hellrider put 16 copies in the top 8 of a pro tour.
The winning decklist played 2 silverblade paladin since it added aggressive elements to there deck. They played 4 boros reckoners because it's the best card in the format. Boros reckoner isn't just a house against agro; it enables game winning combos. Ordinarily, something like blasphemous act or harvest pyre would be niche sideboard tech if that. With boros reckoner and the standard format we have, you gain a removal spell and an "oops I win" without actually diluting your deck of good cards.
Things that are good against paladin but bad against reckoner:
And the many cards that go from pretty good to mediocre like thragtusk and knight of Infamy(the knight straight up 0 for 1s Paladin while blocking reckoner but still triggering the damage. It can still of course attack through reckoner unimpeded).
LP, I'm checking your article out as well. Behind all of your swag is the brain of one of the most intelligent Magic players I've ever known. I guess that's one more thing for you to add to the wall of ego that is your Sally sig.
I can go with that. LK, you are the Mace Windu of red mages...cool, tempered logic in deliberation, but capable of just flat kicking tail when the situation warrants it.
Usually they can't blasphemous act for the win if you have your own reckoner instead of a silverblade paladin too. And if they remove your silverblade or the one he's paired with mid combat, he is a vanilla 2/2. With the amount of snapcasters plus azorius charm in the format, that happens a lot.
Lauphie, I think you meant Boros reckoner instead of Hellrider in your last post.
This card will be the worst rare in RTR and less remembered than skaab ruibator in three months. It struggles to be on the same power level as mass of ghouls, even in limited.
That its not simply "not good enough for competitive", or underpowered. But that this is offensively bad, the real stinker tier.
Still, my best evaluation is that its approximately on the same power level as a 4/4 for 4 vanilla beater.
So is it reasonable to assume that red is the predominant color in standard now? I mean if Reckoner is the next thing as it seems, red must be popular because he is A)only really usable in red/white and some other color and B)his ability is relevant mainly in combat and against red removal. Is this true?
Further, as a combo piece, red has the best interaction with his ability so it seems reasonable to assume he's seeing play in mainly red based decks.
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So is it reasonable to assume that red is the predominant color in standard now? I mean if Reckoner is the next thing as it seems, red must be popular because he is A)only really usable in red/white and some other color and B)his ability is relevant mainly in combat and against red removal. Is this true?
Further, as a combo piece, red has the best interaction with his ability so it seems reasonable to assume he's seeing play in mainly red based decks.
I've seen decklists in Boros, Rakdos, Naya, Monowhite, Monored, and UWR control that all pack 4 copies. I'm assuming WG and BW would probably both run 4 copies of it also if they didn't want the red. Monored, Rakdos, and Boros all work like sligh decks and are heavy, heavy into red. The other decks that fit Reckoner aren't as aggressive, and don't play as heavily into red.
Essentially it is good vs. almost everything. On Defense it is usually a 2 for 1 blocker. On offense it is usually unblockable, unless you want to get 2 for 1'd. And if you decide to ignore it in combat, it has combo potential. Also, about half of the removal in the format either misses it (Ultimate Price), or swings damage back at you or your creatures.
The card is singlehandedly powerful enough to swing the entire metagame. Simply put, if your deck doesn't have good answers for it, you can expect to lose.
To the people before saying that the card isn't in the same league as Hellrider and Silverblade Paladin, I'd agree. It is a step better than those. In the current meta, I'd say it is on Thragtusk/Restoration Angel level.
I'm trying to figure out the rationale of WOTC printing this. I'm mean did spitemare under-perform so much that they thought lopping off a mana and adding an ability was reasonable?
I mean its really a testament to how much a standard can shift when spitemare was virtually unplayable and this is a near $30 card. I mean Reckoner is a better spitemare but $20 plus dollars better?
I think its gonna be testing people more or less who don't want to play red and will essentially have to use good removal on a three drop.
Its also interesting that in a a straight up creature dual Nighthawk will win a race nearly every time. Ehhh, new tech is new I guess.
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Its also interesting that in a a straight up creature dual Nighthawk will win a race nearly every time. Ehhh, new tech is new I guess.
Sort of. If both creatures are attacking through it will win a race with lifelink, but that isn't a very realistic scenario. Alternatively if you were to block it with the nighthawk, they either kill it straight up with first strike or they let their Reckoner die and 2 for 1 you by killing another of your creatures.
The only real "Tech" against Boros Reckoner is removal that doesn't do damage to it. Azorious Charms, Orzhov Charms, Abrupt Decay, Victim of Night, Oblivion Ring, Supreme Verdict, etc are all decent answers.
Yeah I was just talking straight up creature race which of course rarely happens.
But yeah I really think that standard hasn't registered how to defend against Reckoner yet. The comparison to Spitemare is valid, understanding of course that Reckoner costs less and has the first strike ability.
Next question: Why would anyone ever block this guy? He's begging for combat so it seems completely foolish to engage. I mean 3 damage every turn is significant enough to have to have a solution but its not insurmountable to race. What about 0/X walls? Fog bank, Angelic Wall, Hover Barrier and Wall of Fire nerf this guy pretty bad.
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i agree that it's not in the same league as caverns and snapcaster, but reckoner is still a good card right now in standard.
reckoner had the most copies in Top 8 in this weekend's Pro Tour
lol...so wrong it isn't even funny...
Note this is all disregarding price. In all honesty Hellrider, Paladin and Reckoner are all pretty inflated right now.
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The winning deck black white red humans deck ran 4 of him, and only 2 silverblade. Please stop giving evaluations in a format you don't play if you have no idea what you're talking about.
May I ask why you have so much affection for this guy? I mean whats the deal? Yeah he's good, I don't need to play standard to realize that. But any time there's constructive criticism you have to crawl out from wherever it is you come from and attack people.
Honestly Silverblade Palidan makes the reckoner better so mentioning them together is kinda moot. My question is did the player explicitly drop two paladins in order to run four reckoners, or was the deck tweaked that way regardless? I mean I really like the interaction between the two and apparently it worked quite well.
You are right though that I'm not qualified to evaluate the decks being run in standard now and whether or not he should or should not see play. That's really rather irrelevant though since I didn't say that and its pretty common knowledge he's the hottest thing in gatecrash right now.
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Considering all you said in this post is "the pros run more Reckoners, so it must be better than the other cards," it seems that you're the one with a limited ability to evaluate the format. Actually trying to evaluate the card yourself, rather than insult someone else's evaluation skills while contributing no thoughts of your own, would be a lot more beneficial to the discussion.
The winning Dega list also ran four Doomed Travelers. Does that make Traveler a better card than Silverblade? By your logic, apparently.
I do think Reckoner is better than Silverblade, as I stated above. What are your reasons for thinking so?
I mean turn three the reckoner is a bit better I'd imagine but giving my beater doublestrike late game seems pretty strong. Provided I'm not swinging into Reckoner...lol.
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What he said was that top decks ran 4 Reckoners - which is a completely legitimate point.
When one deck places well in a tournament playing a card - that can be written off to variance, luck, or whatever - but when 50% of the top decks are running a full set of a particular card, then that's pretty solid proof that the card is good.
D'wut? I mean, if you think Doomed Travelers were competing for the same slots in the deck that Silverblades were then yeah - you could make that argument. I don't usually compare 1-drops to 3-drops, though.
I'm sure you'll forgive us since you've said so very many things in this thread - most of them contradictory - that it's hard to keep up.
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There's only three or four here that are really good and probably less that are making it into decks. Maybe that number will change?
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I'm not 100% sure it is, actually. If on your sixth turn you do nothing but kill one of their lands and one of your creatures, you're giving a serious advantage to your opponent. That 13 damage better kill him outright. That's not to say it won't happen, but if he kills your Reckoner in response you're left with pretty much a dead card. Land destruction is hardly viable even at 3-4 mana.
Blasphemous act does exactly what you propose, only better because it lets you kill their creatures as well, and can deal 26+ damage if you have more than one reckoner in play.
I'm sure you can think of something by yourself.
As Gerry T innovated, Harvest Pyre can be used to fry your own reckoner, could be used against Esper control, if they want to mill you at your EOT once they tap out for that final drownyard activation, you can use it to burn them for over 20. Also if you graveyard has enough cards in it when thay tap out for revelation you can get them then. Assuming of course they allow it to live........but if you have 4 and the games goes as long as it does.........
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I saw that control list was playing 4 maindeck Reckoners and 2 maindeck Blasphemous Acts. That has to be a hell of a house against aggro decks. Wipe the board and deal 13 to the dome.
assuming they dont play a reckoner of their own
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Of course it can be situationally better. I'm not saying Silverblade is a bad card by any means, but I think Reckoner is generally better, mostly due to its likelihood of being effective compared to Silverblade's vulnerability to blowouts by removal during combat.
Which I agree with. I was simply irritated that he was telling another poster that he was wrong and insulting his evaluation while not providing any counter-evaluations for discussion. Which made the wording of his post come off as needlessly arrogant, at least to me.
Maybe I've just run into too many arrogant people whose only real skill is copying decks, and it's biased me against those sorts of statements. (Not saying that description fits anyone here.)
Point taken. My illustration was bad. I can assure you the my 1-drops and 3-drops don't usually compete for the same spots in my decks.
Again just curious.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
The winning decklist played 2 silverblade paladin since it added aggressive elements to there deck. They played 4 boros reckoners because it's the best card in the format. Boros reckoner isn't just a house against agro; it enables game winning combos. Ordinarily, something like blasphemous act or harvest pyre would be niche sideboard tech if that. With boros reckoner and the standard format we have, you gain a removal spell and an "oops I win" without actually diluting your deck of good cards.
Things that are good against paladin but bad against reckoner:
Mizzum Mortars
Ultimate Price
Pillar of Flame
Searing Spear
Blockers
Blockers with First strike(Reckoner takes first strike damage, triggers it's ability and kills something else before it deals regular combat damage).
And the many cards that go from pretty good to mediocre like thragtusk and knight of Infamy(the knight straight up 0 for 1s Paladin while blocking reckoner but still triggering the damage. It can still of course attack through reckoner unimpeded).
All burn spells, Ultimate Price, and creatures. Enough reasons to run one over the other.
SBP advantage would be:
* Faster / Imediate impact on the board
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Lauphie, I think you meant Boros reckoner instead of Hellrider in your last post.
Further, as a combo piece, red has the best interaction with his ability so it seems reasonable to assume he's seeing play in mainly red based decks.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
I've seen decklists in Boros, Rakdos, Naya, Monowhite, Monored, and UWR control that all pack 4 copies. I'm assuming WG and BW would probably both run 4 copies of it also if they didn't want the red. Monored, Rakdos, and Boros all work like sligh decks and are heavy, heavy into red. The other decks that fit Reckoner aren't as aggressive, and don't play as heavily into red.
Essentially it is good vs. almost everything. On Defense it is usually a 2 for 1 blocker. On offense it is usually unblockable, unless you want to get 2 for 1'd. And if you decide to ignore it in combat, it has combo potential. Also, about half of the removal in the format either misses it (Ultimate Price), or swings damage back at you or your creatures.
The card is singlehandedly powerful enough to swing the entire metagame. Simply put, if your deck doesn't have good answers for it, you can expect to lose.
To the people before saying that the card isn't in the same league as Hellrider and Silverblade Paladin, I'd agree. It is a step better than those. In the current meta, I'd say it is on Thragtusk/Restoration Angel level.
I mean its really a testament to how much a standard can shift when spitemare was virtually unplayable and this is a near $30 card. I mean Reckoner is a better spitemare but $20 plus dollars better?
I think its gonna be testing people more or less who don't want to play red and will essentially have to use good removal on a three drop.
Its also interesting that in a a straight up creature dual Nighthawk will win a race nearly every time. Ehhh, new tech is new I guess.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Sort of. If both creatures are attacking through it will win a race with lifelink, but that isn't a very realistic scenario. Alternatively if you were to block it with the nighthawk, they either kill it straight up with first strike or they let their Reckoner die and 2 for 1 you by killing another of your creatures.
The only real "Tech" against Boros Reckoner is removal that doesn't do damage to it. Azorious Charms, Orzhov Charms, Abrupt Decay, Victim of Night, Oblivion Ring, Supreme Verdict, etc are all decent answers.
But yeah I really think that standard hasn't registered how to defend against Reckoner yet. The comparison to Spitemare is valid, understanding of course that Reckoner costs less and has the first strike ability.
Next question: Why would anyone ever block this guy? He's begging for combat so it seems completely foolish to engage. I mean 3 damage every turn is significant enough to have to have a solution but its not insurmountable to race. What about 0/X walls? Fog bank, Angelic Wall, Hover Barrier and Wall of Fire nerf this guy pretty bad.
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W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.