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3/3 Legendary Creature - Zombie Elf
Deathtouch, first strike
Whenever a creature an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may return target artifact card from your graveyard to your hand.
Glissa is only okay, not "pretty good." The cards that see play on your list see play because they don't need Glissa to be good. The rest will probably cost you more games than Glissa will help you win. You also need your opponent to participate by playing creatures. Not always going to happen.
If you play Glissa, it's probably for a 3/3 that will likely get through or hold off 2-3 creatures until they find a Bolt.
Glissa is only okay, not "pretty good." The cards that see play on your list see play because they don't need Glissa to be good. The rest will probably cost you more games than Glissa will help you win. You also need your opponent to participate by playing creatures. Not always going to happen.
If you play Glissa, it's probably for a 3/3 that will likely get through or hold off 2-3 creatures until they find a Bolt.
Yeah, the only real issue is that if your opponent plays very little/no creatures, glissa becomes incredibly weak. But against creature heavy decks it'd at least give Mindslaver a way to be recurred. I suppose at 10 mana per your turn, you should be winning the game by then, even though I doubt it may be used.
So control decks really aren't going to care too much about Glissa save for the first strike death touch. If she does become a smash hit then nihl spellbomb and leyline of the void will go up in price.
can't really build a deck around this card... but as a 1-2 of in an already g/b aggro deck would be auto include (if g/b aggro is even viable) like it alot tho
Constructed? Too early to tell, but probably not going to be a factor. This looks to be a card made for the limited environ, though, and in that area she's looking like a god pull. A common complaint about Scars is the lack of good removal, and unless Besieged has more (unlikely), Glissa will be a beast when she hits the table. 3/3 first strike deathtouch means that she has to be blocked with FOUR creatures of 3 power or more to be killed in combat. Most of the time she's going to be getting through for 3 damage plus whatever you can pump her for (or gods forbid they put more ways to give a creature instant-infect). If they throw something under the bus to avoid the damage, limited is full of great artifacts to return.
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Constructed? Too early to tell, but probably not going to be a factor. This looks to be a card made for the limited environ, though, and in that area she's looking like a god pull. A common complaint about Scars is the lack of good removal, and unless Besieged has more (unlikely), Glissa will be a beast when she hits the table. 3/3 first strike deathtouch means that she has to be blocked with FOUR creatures of 3 power or more to be killed in combat. Most of the time she's going to be getting through for 3 damage plus whatever you can pump her for (or gods forbid they put more ways to give a creature instant-infect). If they throw something under the bus to avoid the damage, limited is full of great artifacts to return.
Right. She's made for limited....at Mythic Rare. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
You're correct that she will be a beast when she hits the table. Any sort of instant-infect card will be useful, but really, Tainted Strike was sub-par; you'd need some sort of Rancor-like enchantment that granted infect for something like that to be useful, IMHO.
I also think that counting on your opponent to have a stream of creatures out is unwise - the winning decks in this format run very few creatures (see: UW control, UB control, Valakut control) so you have no guarantee of a recursion lock with Mindslaver, and none of the other listed artifacts are, honestly, good enough to see play. If they didn't see play before Glissa, they probably won't afterwards. What Glissa will do is make the good artifacts better. Recurring Wurmcoil Engine. Recurring Ratchet Bomb. Things like that.
Instead, I think Glissa will be the format's Great Sable Stag. Solid mana cost, solid body, spectacular abilities. Even without the artifact recursion, an efficient first strike/deathtouch is damned good, ensuring that most of your opponent's creatures stay home, and/or you get a guaranteed 3 damage in per turn. Find a way to pump that (infect decks w/ instant pump, Sword of Mind/Body which could be recurred with Glissa, or even Darksteel Axe), and Glissa becomes a big threat.
I'm glad she's the pre-release card, because otherwise, she'd be expensive as hell. Probably will be, anyway. ...
Right. She's made for limited....at Mythic Rare. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I think the poster was mainly saying she was made for EDH and not constructed. But, I could imagine her being useful in constructed after the full set is released and her ability starts to shine more.
Heck, at worst she's a solid 3 drop, and again there could be some amazing, worthwhile artifacts to use with her in the next set. It's 3% spoiled at this point, so all of this is obviously very speculative. EDH Artifact deck is going to be amazing though...
As far as Standard goes, I can't really see her going into any decks as they stand now. It doesn't really fit into Elves, as you would need to add more removal and artifacts. And really, there are no G/B decks besides infect.
Chances are there will be something else in Besieged that makes this card better. I don't know if it will make Glissa constructed playable, but it looks like another card that could conceivably be used next October.
Even know the card is bad, I do like the fact that it is multicolored. A few good multicolored cards could really shake up the metagame.
Limited: Utter bomb. Obviously won't happen often as she's Mythic and not every draft / sealed pool that opens her will be in the correct colors to run her. Not to mention B/G currently does best as Infect. But swinging with her while holding a Tainted Strike... wow, that's gonna feel good. (Remember: you'll be opening the MBS pack *first* in draft, so if you first-pick her she can be a true build-around!)
Constructed: She doesn't have a home currently, but we can wait and see what MBS serves up. If B/G Rock makes a return (which wouldn't be too unreasonable), she could be an effective roleplayer. Remember the ubiquity of Wren's Run Vanquisher in that archetype a couple years ago? People ran it even when the deck wasn't heavily Elves. I think Glissa is designed appropriately - being a "traitor", she is built in a way that doesn't fit well in Elf decks. But turn one Birds, turn two Glissa, turn three Garruk and some two-drop dork, could be a very dynamic and aggressive start, leading to either overrun or Grave Titan the following turn. I'm not saying the deck is guaranteed to work, but it's not difficult to design a curve, and even without abusing her artifact ability she's still a 3/3 FS, DT for three, which is, in fact, *bonkers*. Just sayin'. I'd say she'll play better with Spellbombs and Moriok Replicas and Ratchet Bombs rather than Mindslavers or Wurmcoils - cheap, recurrable cards that slowly net advantage so your efficient B/G beaters continue to roll through. I'd say this archetype will also finally give Skinrender a real home too.
EDH: She's definitely general material for a very bizarre sort of archetype - B/G Artifact Dredge? Namely, how to put the most stupidly broken artifacts into GY, thence to hand, thence to play, without using blue mana. Buried Alive can fetch artifact creatures, Stinkweed Imp and Geth should put in appearances, and I think Glissa's favorite toy in the world will be Executioner's Capsule.
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Limited: Utter bomb. Obviously won't happen often as she's Mythic and not every draft / sealed pool that opens her will be in the correct colors to run her. Not to mention B/G currently does best as Infect. But swinging with her while holding a Tainted Strike... wow, that's gonna feel good. (Remember: you'll be opening the MBS pack *first* in draft, so if you first-pick her she can be a true build-around!)
Constructed: She doesn't have a home currently, but we can wait and see what MBS serves up. If B/G Rock makes a return (which wouldn't be too unreasonable), she could be an effective roleplayer. Remember the ubiquity of Wren's Run Vanquisher in that archetype a couple years ago? People ran it even when the deck wasn't heavily Elves. I think Glissa is designed appropriately - being a "traitor", she is built in a way that doesn't fit well in Elf decks. But turn one Birds, turn two Glissa, turn three Garruk and some two-drop dork, could be a very dynamic and aggressive start, leading to either overrun or Grave Titan the following turn. I'm not saying the deck is guaranteed to work, but it's not difficult to design a curve, and even without abusing her artifact ability she's still a 3/3 FS, DT for three, which is, in fact, *bonkers*. Just sayin'. I'd say she'll play better with Spellbombs and Moriok Replicas and Ratchet Bombs rather than Mindslavers or Wurmcoils - cheap, recurrable cards that slowly net advantage so your efficient B/G beaters continue to roll through. I'd say this archetype will also finally give Skinrender a real home too.
EDH: She's definitely general material for a very bizarre sort of archetype - B/G Artifact Dredge? Namely, how to put the most stupidly broken artifacts into GY, thence to hand, thence to play, without using blue mana. Buried Alive can fetch artifact creatures, Stinkweed Imp and Geth should put in appearances, and I think Glissa's favorite toy in the world will be Executioner's Capsule.
I for one welcome our new traitorous zombie overlords!
It's interesting that it's a static ability as worded.
In theory, if you have GBW and a balanced board, Glissa followed by DOJ should allow you to force a nearly one sided wrath. And that's just 30 seconds of thought based on your mention of executioner's capsule. The capsule basically becomes a doomblade with buyback.
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Is there anything in standard that gives your opponent creatures? Kind of like a Forbidden Orchard effect? If there was, you could use that as an engine to create a Mindslaver lock. However, this is probably wishful thinking
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Hopefully GGB means we'll see enemy duals of some kind, or at least an uneven cycle like we saw in Lorwyn block. Right now this is totally unplayable.
If it's unplayable its hardly because the mana fixing doesn't exist. Sure, this is no lorwyn/alara standard but we still have enemy fetchlands and birds is always around.
The mana cost is fairly restrictive, and I can't think of many CCD creatures that have seen Constructed play. This is only magnified in an environment without enemy duals, vivid lands, reflecting pool, etc. Maybe a sign of BG and RW duals to come in MBS?
The artifact ability is kind of random and seems hard to build around or care that much about. Ratchet Bomb, as some have mentioned, is a nice card that works with her, but not many others.
I don't see a 3 mana for 3/3 being that important in this ramp-heavy environment, even if it can beat up most other creatures in combat. And cliched though it might be, she dies to bolt
I believe she will be largely relvant as she can kill every titan with ease.
Her artifact return ability is only icing on the cake, as black is also the color with the most targeted creature removal. You do not need to run her in a deck that uses sacrifice artifacts, she just makes those cards better.
Blazing Torches sacrifice is in it's activation cost, if your opponents creature dies to the shock from the sacced Torch, Glissa will return it to your hand.
Blazing Torches sacrifice is in it's activation cost, if your opponents creature dies to the shock from the sacced Torch, Glissa will return it to your hand.
He was just pointing out that the damage would not be "deathtouched."
As cool as this card is, I don't really think it's going to see much play in constructed. I am very excited to try it in EDH, though.
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3/3 Legendary Creature - Zombie Elf
Deathtouch, first strike
Whenever a creature an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may return target artifact card from your graveyard to your hand.
Alright, so this card to me seems pretty good. Can recur a good chunk of cards like Sylvok Replica, Horizon Spellbomb, Mindslaver (oh boy!), Moriok Replica, Nihil Spellbomb, Ratchet Bomb. Maybe even that Wurmcoil Engine. Discuss?
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If you play Glissa, it's probably for a 3/3 that will likely get through or hold off 2-3 creatures until they find a Bolt.
Yeah, the only real issue is that if your opponent plays very little/no creatures, glissa becomes incredibly weak. But against creature heavy decks it'd at least give Mindslaver a way to be recurred. I suppose at 10 mana per your turn, you should be winning the game by then, even though I doubt it may be used.
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Right. She's made for limited....at Mythic Rare. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
You're correct that she will be a beast when she hits the table. Any sort of instant-infect card will be useful, but really, Tainted Strike was sub-par; you'd need some sort of Rancor-like enchantment that granted infect for something like that to be useful, IMHO.
I also think that counting on your opponent to have a stream of creatures out is unwise - the winning decks in this format run very few creatures (see: UW control, UB control, Valakut control) so you have no guarantee of a recursion lock with Mindslaver, and none of the other listed artifacts are, honestly, good enough to see play. If they didn't see play before Glissa, they probably won't afterwards. What Glissa will do is make the good artifacts better. Recurring Wurmcoil Engine. Recurring Ratchet Bomb. Things like that.
Instead, I think Glissa will be the format's Great Sable Stag. Solid mana cost, solid body, spectacular abilities. Even without the artifact recursion, an efficient first strike/deathtouch is damned good, ensuring that most of your opponent's creatures stay home, and/or you get a guaranteed 3 damage in per turn. Find a way to pump that (infect decks w/ instant pump, Sword of Mind/Body which could be recurred with Glissa, or even Darksteel Axe), and Glissa becomes a big threat.
I'm glad she's the pre-release card, because otherwise, she'd be expensive as hell. Probably will be, anyway. ...
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I think the poster was mainly saying she was made for EDH and not constructed. But, I could imagine her being useful in constructed after the full set is released and her ability starts to shine more.
Heck, at worst she's a solid 3 drop, and again there could be some amazing, worthwhile artifacts to use with her in the next set. It's 3% spoiled at this point, so all of this is obviously very speculative. EDH Artifact deck is going to be amazing though...
Chances are there will be something else in Besieged that makes this card better. I don't know if it will make Glissa constructed playable, but it looks like another card that could conceivably be used next October.
Even know the card is bad, I do like the fact that it is multicolored. A few good multicolored cards could really shake up the metagame.
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Constructed: She doesn't have a home currently, but we can wait and see what MBS serves up. If B/G Rock makes a return (which wouldn't be too unreasonable), she could be an effective roleplayer. Remember the ubiquity of Wren's Run Vanquisher in that archetype a couple years ago? People ran it even when the deck wasn't heavily Elves. I think Glissa is designed appropriately - being a "traitor", she is built in a way that doesn't fit well in Elf decks. But turn one Birds, turn two Glissa, turn three Garruk and some two-drop dork, could be a very dynamic and aggressive start, leading to either overrun or Grave Titan the following turn. I'm not saying the deck is guaranteed to work, but it's not difficult to design a curve, and even without abusing her artifact ability she's still a 3/3 FS, DT for three, which is, in fact, *bonkers*. Just sayin'. I'd say she'll play better with Spellbombs and Moriok Replicas and Ratchet Bombs rather than Mindslavers or Wurmcoils - cheap, recurrable cards that slowly net advantage so your efficient B/G beaters continue to roll through. I'd say this archetype will also finally give Skinrender a real home too.
EDH: She's definitely general material for a very bizarre sort of archetype - B/G Artifact Dredge? Namely, how to put the most stupidly broken artifacts into GY, thence to hand, thence to play, without using blue mana. Buried Alive can fetch artifact creatures, Stinkweed Imp and Geth should put in appearances, and I think Glissa's favorite toy in the world will be Executioner's Capsule.
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It's interesting that it's a static ability as worded.
In theory, if you have GBW and a balanced board, Glissa followed by DOJ should allow you to force a nearly one sided wrath. And that's just 30 seconds of thought based on your mention of executioner's capsule. The capsule basically becomes a doomblade with buyback.
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If it's unplayable its hardly because the mana fixing doesn't exist. Sure, this is no lorwyn/alara standard but we still have enemy fetchlands and birds is always around.
The artifact ability is kind of random and seems hard to build around or care that much about. Ratchet Bomb, as some have mentioned, is a nice card that works with her, but not many others.
I don't see a 3 mana for 3/3 being that important in this ramp-heavy environment, even if it can beat up most other creatures in combat. And cliched though it might be, she dies to bolt
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Might want to reread Blazing Torch.
First strike and death touch simultaneously is ridiculous too.
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I believe she will be largely relvant as she can kill every titan with ease.
Her artifact return ability is only icing on the cake, as black is also the color with the most targeted creature removal. You do not need to run her in a deck that uses sacrifice artifacts, she just makes those cards better.
Blazing Torches sacrifice is in it's activation cost, if your opponents creature dies to the shock from the sacced Torch, Glissa will return it to your hand.
As cool as this card is, I don't really think it's going to see much play in constructed. I am very excited to try it in EDH, though.