To be honest, I don't even care about getting power back. Like Drains, Power 9, Time Walk, etc.
I just want to be able to get my hands on Sol Rings... Ali from Cairo... Juzams... fun stuff like that. Cause Magic is about having fun, right? Why not give player's access to fun cards?
"but butt, it hurts my investment!!!1!"
In response to that I'd say "tough". Why should WoTC cater to collectors, as opposed to people who are actually spending money, giving Wizards more money, for reprints of these older cards? More money for WoTC (which means Magic lives on another year or two), more fun cards in our card pools, and collectors still get to keep their ancient rares with no legal text. It's good news all around.
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First, how do you know that those "collectors" aren't also buying new product?
Second, the amount that people will pay for these reprints is somewhat limited. People mostly want them because they are rare. Sure some of them have playability, but I can't tell you the number of times people say they have switched to playing Legacy because their collections won't loose value like they do in Standard.
This discussion is all about how big we think the market would grow with these reprints. People open packs of cards because they want to open something valuable. When nothing is valuable people won't pay $4 for packs anymore.
Now on the other hand you could argue to me that wizards has been printing cards for years that hold thier playability at least for a couple seasons because there are people like me who like playing with a smaller card pool, but if I never needed new cards I might change my tune. Then the value of the pack goes down since it's only value is to draft.
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But, I'm not sure why wanting something for much less than it's worth is that much different from just making it yourself. People do that all of the time with other things. Instead of wishing you could get your hands on something, and asking someone else to do something they've said time and time again they will not, why not take matters into your own hands? If this guy can go from pack to power, you can go to pack to Sol Ring. Heck, there are cards in print right now worth 4 times that of a Sol Ring.
While it's true that pack to power is pretty much impossible (the first trade was wtf impossible already...), it is true that a sol ring isn't that hard to come by anyways. What is it, like 15 at most?
My beef, the reason I started this threa is that there are cards I'd love to get a hold of, but are rare in binders (& if they are found in a binder, only chase rares from the last 5 years will get 'em) or pricey online &/or in shops.
Are you having trouble obtaining a Baron Sengir? Isn't that card worth $3 at most?
It isn't necessarily that Sol Rings and Baron Sengir are particularly hard to find or expensive. Getting FOIL Baron Sengir in the NEW FRAME would be pretty attractive. And black-border Sol Rings would be nice without shelling out $30-$40 for FBB or $60 for the judge foil. The new art in FTV is a-mazing--having a regular, non-foil run of those would be pretty sweet. It's about aesthetics as much as it is rarity and collectability.
It isn't necessarily that Sol Rings and Baron Sengir are particularly hard to find or expensive. Getting FOIL Baron Sengir in the NEW FRAME would be pretty attractive. And black-border Sol Rings would be nice without shelling out $30-$40 for FBB or $60 for the judge foil. The new art in FTV is a-mazing--having a regular, non-foil run of those would be pretty sweet. It's about aesthetics as much as it is rarity and collectability.
FTV Sol Ring is worth ~$15, Black Bordered and foil. It's 5 times less than a Black Bordered foil Primeval Titan, which is still in print and you can open from a pack.
Why do you want a new frame Baron Sengir? Why can't you download MSE and make it?
FTV Sol Ring is worth ~$15, Black Bordered and foil. It's 5 times less than a Black Bordered foil Primeval Titan, which is still in print and you can open from a pack.
Why do you want a new frame Baron Sengir? Why can't you download MSE and make it?
I think you're forgetting this is a collectible card game. People want very specific things with their cards, and when they see it they'll jump on it, or demand that something is printed. For me the new Sol Ring is ugly compared to the classic look of the old Sol Ring. If I wanted a black bordered Sol Ring you damn well expect me to try and go get it! I also would love to have a Wasteland, Force of Will, and the Power 9. I can't really afford all of those, so them getting reprinted would be great. Especially with the Dual Lands, and other awesome cards I love. Part 2 of Magic the Gathering (the optional part) is the competitive scene. I also greatly enjoy going to tournaments. Because I actually sit there and try to win I have more mentally satisfying experience. I would love to go to a tournamnet and play with my duals, wastelands, FoW', and Power 9, but I really can't. Where am I supposed to go? Leave one aspect of what I love about Magic behind? No, that is just not acceptable. I'm not trying to tell you that reprinting old cards is bad, but the animosity by some players toward players like me who want to play with the old cards, and not look at them is confusing.
That being said, why is this discussion being had in a thread about ME4? Online I would expect cards to be reprinted, and to have Power at some point. After all it's just an online version of MTG, that is all the competitive part, and very little of the collectible part. It SHOULD have all those cards at fairly reasonable prices. 100+ for a silly digital object is beyond absurd. At least when WoW characters fetch those prices you know some work was put into it.
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I think you're forgetting this is a collectible card game. People want very specific things with their cards, and when they see it they'll jump on it, or demand that something is printed.
Well, I know if Wizards ever printed a card with my name and face on it I'd buy it.... but I'm not holding my breath.
What boggles my mind is they are clambering and complaining about things that exist. They are saying "I'd kill for that! Wizards should print that and make it affordable!" Well, Wizards ALREADY DID, and both cost ~$15, much less than a Standard stable card. These kind of responses are really biasing me towards these people that apparently don't even know that these things they want are already WELL within their reach. If they REALLY wanted it they would already have it, or would at least know they exist already for 15 bucks.
I mean, hell, I know that no one here wants them to reprint power, but: 1 Mox ~ 4 Jace + 2 Primeval Titans
Do you want them to reprint Worldwake and M11 too?
Taylor, I am well aware of MtG prices and values. I pimp my EDH and legacy decks. And if I played vintage, you can bet I would pimp those too. Money\affordability is a non-issue in my case. Aesthetics is. I want an english (or Japanese), non-foil, black-border Sol Ring in the new frame with the original art. Those don't exist yet. I want them to, though. I already have a couple Judge foils, several FBB, and a Beta version. I'm not particularly fond of the FTV foiling process, but the art is fantastic. I'll probably get one eventually.
But Sol Ring isn't even on the reserve list. And as you've stated--they're readily available for pretty cheap, considering their power....in WHITE BORDER. But that's not what *I* want. I need variety, dammit!
But let's face it: people like me are a minority and we never get what we want. I think you get where I'm coming from now. I want certain things to be reprinted for aesthetic reasons. Foil Japanese Sliver Queens with new art by Chippy or Steve Argyle would probably be pretty sexy. It's unfortunate that it can never happen because of a lame "promise" made in haste a long time ago. It's not even technically a legal document--they can take it back or modify it at any time.
As for making up old cards with new frames in Set Editor--I believe I stated my opinion on "fake cards" in a previous post.
Standard players have to deal with price drops all the time. Why should Legacy/Vintage players be immune to these same drops by fiat? When Primeval Titan leaves standard, it will probably drop in price by 50% or more. When Baneslayer Angel was reprinted, it went from $40 to $15. Magic cards are not an investment. At least not any sort of normal investment that you could take to the bank. If you like gambling with Magic cards you might as well start gambling on commodities trading as your 'investment.'
It seems wrong to "guarantee" price levels only for a few, specific individuals. It should either be all ("all rares are reserved! forever!" - a horrible idea) or none.
To re-use old art, don't they need to get the artist's permission and give royalties to the Artist?
This could be a reson why some reprints need new arts
I thought that was common knowledge. That's the reason a lot of the artist of the beginning are not seen anymore. And without knowing the specific art we already know that the Judge sinkhole will have a new art.
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Wizards doesn't own the art when it is turned over to them for cards?
They do NOW, but originally that was not the case.
I know the Foglios were ecstatic over on their blog one day when they were strapped for cash to make Girl Genius the RPG. They went to their mail box and found a royalties check from Wizards. Turns out when they did Time Spiral "Timeshifted" they wanted to use the same art for the old card, which meant they had to go back to the old contracts on some of the older cards.
They did not even tell them they where doing it; they had just sent them a check.
But, yeah, now-a-days the wizards owns all of the new art on all of the new cards, or at least they have it set up so they don't need to give out royalty checks on reprints.
Standard players have to deal with price drops all the time. Why should Legacy/Vintage players be immune to these same drops by fiat?
The question I ask myself is why so many Standard players are so accepting of losing so much money every rotation. I realize some sell their cards off right before rotation, but in the end, someone is still getting a bad deal. It seems silly to me to just sit there and not only accept the loss, but to demand it happens to others as well.
It sounds like what you're saying is that, "I'm getting screwed, so everyone else should be, too." Maybe you could try a different approach like, "I'm getting screwed, but I'm not going to take it anymore."
When Primeval Titan leaves standard, it will probably drop in price by 50% or more. When Baneslayer Angel was reprinted, it went from $40 to $15. Magic cards are not an investment. At least not any sort of normal investment that you could take to the bank. If you like gambling with Magic cards you might as well start gambling on commodities trading as your 'investment.'
It seems wrong to "guarantee" price levels only for a few, specific individuals. It should either be all ("all rares are reserved! forever!" - a horrible idea) or none.
For me, Standard is affordable, Jace, mythics, and all. However, I don't buy Jace, mythics, or many Standard singles due to the insane value drops that you mentioned. Sure, I'll buy some $1 rares for a cheap Goblin deck or whatever. But for the expensive stuff, I'll wait for the Duel Deck and get my Jace for $20 at Target, along with 119 other cards. I'm in no hurry. I generally won't buy mythics at all unless they prove themselves in Legacy, and even then I will try to wait until rotation. That's why I can afford to play some of the most expensive decks in Legacy, but I will almost always play a budget deck in Standard.
FTV Sol Ring is worth ~$15, Black Bordered and foil. It's 5 times less than a Black Bordered foil Primeval Titan, which is still in print and you can open from a pack.
I'm pretty sure that Wizards doesn't want the modern finely tuned game that is MTG to be overshadowed/overrun by Moxes, Recalls, Yawgwins and Academies being slapped down willy-nilly across kitchen tables around the country. That and quite frankly Wizards NEEDS to have Standard as the dominate format in order to ensure they keep bringing in sufficient revenue every year by selling the new sets, and making eternal formats affordable and accessible definitely doesn't promote that. That and they'd majorly piss off large dealers aka their most important distribution partners. So I wouldn't ever plan on seeing the P9 and similar cards printed ever again unless it's online.
Sure it's stupid that something like Sliver Queen or Radiant will never see print again, but just something we have to accept. Or just play MTGO, where you can get a playset of foil original art Juzam Djinns for about eight bucks.
It sounds like what you're saying is that, "I'm getting screwed, so everyone else should be, too." Maybe you could try a different approach like, "I'm getting screwed, but I'm not going to take it anymore."
No. I'm saying "we have to obey normal market fluctuations, why do you get a Wizards-enforced monopoly?" Because that's exactly what it is - a restriction on the market in order to prop up prices on cards for specific individuals (investment collectors).
When Nantuko Shade was reprinted, those who were hoarding Shades lost a lot of money. But that's a silly statement in itself, as who would hoard Shades? The vintage/legacy market is extremely different. When you are assured that prices cannot go down due to reprints, it's a lot better "investment" to buy up and hoard cards. Which is overall bad for the community, as then fewer people have cards to play with, even if the total number is the same. Were the reserve list to expire even without reprinting, some of these "investment collectors" would see that it's not as riskless as you might think, they would divest themselves of some cards, more cards would circulate into the system, and prices might go down - or at least the cards would be spread among more people.
The question isn't on us. The question is on "you" (general you) to justify having your investments protected by fiat while ours are not.
No. I'm saying "we have to obey normal market fluctuations, why do you get a Wizards-enforced monopoly?" Because that's exactly what it is - a restriction on the market in order to prop up prices on cards for specific individuals (investment collectors).
When Nantuko Shade was reprinted, those who were hoarding Shades lost a lot of money. But that's a silly statement in itself, as who would hoard Shades? The vintage/legacy market is extremely different. When you are assured that prices cannot go down due to reprints, it's a lot better "investment" to buy up and hoard cards. Which is overall bad for the community, as then fewer people have cards to play with, even if the total number is the same. Were the reserve list to expire even without reprinting, some of these "investment collectors" would see that it's not as riskless as you might think, they would divest themselves of some cards, more cards would circulate into the system, and prices might go down - or at least the cards would be spread among more people.
The question isn't on us. The question is on "you" (general you) to justify having your investments protected by fiat while ours are not.
This assumes there is actual "hoarding" going on. We know it happens on MTGO more often than in paper, and there may be 1-5 dealers with sufficient stocks of P3K and such, but most of these cards show up on eBay with decent regularity meaning they are still in circulation.
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This assumes there is actual "hoarding" going on. We know it happens on MTGO more often than in paper, and there may be 1-5 dealers with sufficient stocks of P3K and such, but most of these cards show up on eBay with decent regularity meaning they are still in circulation.
Well, the point of the matter doesn't assume hoarding is going on. The point is that certain card prices are protected by Wizards while others are not, and that this doesn't make a lot of sense. This fact then encourages hoarding of certain cards because you are nearly guaranteed to never lose value (until Magic dies).
Well, the point of the matter doesn't assume hoarding is going on. The point is that certain card prices are protected by Wizards while others are not, and that this doesn't make a lot of sense. This fact then encourages hoarding of certain cards because you are nearly guaranteed to never lose value (until Magic dies).
They could just make: White Lotus0
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The question I ask myself is why so many Standard players are so accepting of losing so much money every rotation.
Do you own a car? You lose several thousand dollars just driving it off the lot. And yet, people still buy cars. How peculiar. Its almost as if they are getting utility from the purchase to offset the loss of resale value.
Do you own a car? You lose several thousand dollars just driving it off the lot. And yet, people still buy cars. How peculiar. Its almost as if they are getting utility from the purchase to offset the loss of resale value.
I can drive a car for longer than fifteen months before I need to switch to a new car. With all those new fangled decks that would cost me close to a thousand, I would rather just stick to my Legacy Burn deck that is completely foiled and make improvements on it whenever a better burn spell or burn creature comes out.
I can drive a car for longer than fifteen months before I need to switch to a new car. With all those new fangled decks that would cost me close to a thousand, I would rather just stick to my Legacy Burn deck that is completely foiled and make improvements on it whenever a better burn spell or burn creature comes out.
Please by all means, show me a deck in standard that costs anywhere near a grand and I'll personally fly to your house and allow you to set fire to all of my cards.
Stop using hyperbole to make points, it just makes you look ignorant.
Please by all means, show me a deck in standard that costs anywhere near a grand and I'll personally fly to your house and allow you to set fire to all of my cards.
Stop using hyperbole to make points, it just makes you look ignorant.
Ignorance, right. Two months ago, U/W control was one of the most expensive decks that reached towards the 800-1000$ range.
I'm just telling it like it is. Consider this:
Low End - 80$
Middle - 90$
High End - 100$
Per pop for a Jace, the Mind sculpter. Then you got things like Path to Exile which would you around 8.50$ per pop. Along with other expensive cards.
Though don't mind me, you must obviously think you know more then this dotty oldie.
The problem legacy players have is that if they (us) want to play at a competitive level, even with an enormous card pool, there are some card we need to do it, and those cards have astronomical prices and only going up day by day.
When Lorwyn was legal in standard it was hard to buy a Bitterblossom, but it was only for the money issue, now bitterblossom is not that expensive anymore, an in a year it will be even elss expensive, because there are a lot of Bitterblossoms out there.
Right, and yet people still got it and played it in Standard.
But, gentlemen, we have a problem with the formats, there are formats that are becoming unnafordable for many teenage kids (and teenagers are the next generation of the game).
[/quote] Soo... how is it different than Standard?
Have you done the price comparison with a Legacy RDW and Standard's Titan Control?
Sure, the most expensive Legacy deck is more expensive than the most expensive standard deck, but you can still play Legacy for as much if not LESS than you could standard. And, at least you know you can always trade Dual for Dual and the price will not bottom out in 2 years like it will for Standard staples. You're complaining about it like your format is better, no, SHOULD BE better than Standard.
Well, it should not.
Jace is still more expensive than a revised dual land, and you still don't need either to play in either format, it just helps.
I am just wondering if it really matters in the long run though. Is it just the need to spite people who collect the Vintage, or is it an honest belief that everyone should have equal footing with all cards. As far as i can tell it seems to be more of the first and less of the latter. Such as it is, i don't know a single person who hasn't penned a mountain (why only mountains?) in the many groups I've played in. I had one friend make up a decent proxy extended art lotus recently.
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First, how do you know that those "collectors" aren't also buying new product?
Second, the amount that people will pay for these reprints is somewhat limited. People mostly want them because they are rare. Sure some of them have playability, but I can't tell you the number of times people say they have switched to playing Legacy because their collections won't loose value like they do in Standard.
This discussion is all about how big we think the market would grow with these reprints. People open packs of cards because they want to open something valuable. When nothing is valuable people won't pay $4 for packs anymore.
Now on the other hand you could argue to me that wizards has been printing cards for years that hold thier playability at least for a couple seasons because there are people like me who like playing with a smaller card pool, but if I never needed new cards I might change my tune. Then the value of the pack goes down since it's only value is to draft.
While it's true that pack to power is pretty much impossible (the first trade was wtf impossible already...), it is true that a sol ring isn't that hard to come by anyways. What is it, like 15 at most?
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Are you having trouble obtaining a Baron Sengir? Isn't that card worth $3 at most?
It isn't necessarily that Sol Rings and Baron Sengir are particularly hard to find or expensive. Getting FOIL Baron Sengir in the NEW FRAME would be pretty attractive. And black-border Sol Rings would be nice without shelling out $30-$40 for FBB or $60 for the judge foil. The new art in FTV is a-mazing--having a regular, non-foil run of those would be pretty sweet. It's about aesthetics as much as it is rarity and collectability.
FTV Sol Ring is worth ~$15, Black Bordered and foil. It's 5 times less than a Black Bordered foil Primeval Titan, which is still in print and you can open from a pack.
Why do you want a new frame Baron Sengir? Why can't you download MSE and make it?
I think you're forgetting this is a collectible card game. People want very specific things with their cards, and when they see it they'll jump on it, or demand that something is printed. For me the new Sol Ring is ugly compared to the classic look of the old Sol Ring. If I wanted a black bordered Sol Ring you damn well expect me to try and go get it! I also would love to have a Wasteland, Force of Will, and the Power 9. I can't really afford all of those, so them getting reprinted would be great. Especially with the Dual Lands, and other awesome cards I love. Part 2 of Magic the Gathering (the optional part) is the competitive scene. I also greatly enjoy going to tournaments. Because I actually sit there and try to win I have more mentally satisfying experience. I would love to go to a tournamnet and play with my duals, wastelands, FoW', and Power 9, but I really can't. Where am I supposed to go? Leave one aspect of what I love about Magic behind? No, that is just not acceptable. I'm not trying to tell you that reprinting old cards is bad, but the animosity by some players toward players like me who want to play with the old cards, and not look at them is confusing.
That being said, why is this discussion being had in a thread about ME4? Online I would expect cards to be reprinted, and to have Power at some point. After all it's just an online version of MTG, that is all the competitive part, and very little of the collectible part. It SHOULD have all those cards at fairly reasonable prices. 100+ for a silly digital object is beyond absurd. At least when WoW characters fetch those prices you know some work was put into it.
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Well, I know if Wizards ever printed a card with my name and face on it I'd buy it.... but I'm not holding my breath.
Yes, but those exist, and you can get them.
People on this thread I am responding to are saying things like "I want a new border Land Tax" or "I want a foil Sol Ring!"
What boggles my mind is they are clambering and complaining about things that exist. They are saying "I'd kill for that! Wizards should print that and make it affordable!" Well, Wizards ALREADY DID, and both cost ~$15, much less than a Standard stable card. These kind of responses are really biasing me towards these people that apparently don't even know that these things they want are already WELL within their reach. If they REALLY wanted it they would already have it, or would at least know they exist already for 15 bucks.
I mean, hell, I know that no one here wants them to reprint power, but:
1 Mox ~ 4 Jace + 2 Primeval Titans
Do you want them to reprint Worldwake and M11 too?
But Sol Ring isn't even on the reserve list. And as you've stated--they're readily available for pretty cheap, considering their power....in WHITE BORDER. But that's not what *I* want. I need variety, dammit!
But let's face it: people like me are a minority and we never get what we want. I think you get where I'm coming from now. I want certain things to be reprinted for aesthetic reasons. Foil Japanese Sliver Queens with new art by Chippy or Steve Argyle would probably be pretty sexy. It's unfortunate that it can never happen because of a lame "promise" made in haste a long time ago. It's not even technically a legal document--they can take it back or modify it at any time.
As for making up old cards with new frames in Set Editor--I believe I stated my opinion on "fake cards" in a previous post.
It seems wrong to "guarantee" price levels only for a few, specific individuals. It should either be all ("all rares are reserved! forever!" - a horrible idea) or none.
I thought that was common knowledge. That's the reason a lot of the artist of the beginning are not seen anymore. And without knowing the specific art we already know that the Judge sinkhole will have a new art.
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They do NOW, but originally that was not the case.
I know the Foglios were ecstatic over on their blog one day when they were strapped for cash to make Girl Genius the RPG. They went to their mail box and found a royalties check from Wizards. Turns out when they did Time Spiral "Timeshifted" they wanted to use the same art for the old card, which meant they had to go back to the old contracts on some of the older cards.
They did not even tell them they where doing it; they had just sent them a check.
But, yeah, now-a-days the wizards owns all of the new art on all of the new cards, or at least they have it set up so they don't need to give out royalty checks on reprints.
The question I ask myself is why so many Standard players are so accepting of losing so much money every rotation. I realize some sell their cards off right before rotation, but in the end, someone is still getting a bad deal. It seems silly to me to just sit there and not only accept the loss, but to demand it happens to others as well.
It sounds like what you're saying is that, "I'm getting screwed, so everyone else should be, too." Maybe you could try a different approach like, "I'm getting screwed, but I'm not going to take it anymore."
For me, Standard is affordable, Jace, mythics, and all. However, I don't buy Jace, mythics, or many Standard singles due to the insane value drops that you mentioned. Sure, I'll buy some $1 rares for a cheap Goblin deck or whatever. But for the expensive stuff, I'll wait for the Duel Deck and get my Jace for $20 at Target, along with 119 other cards. I'm in no hurry. I generally won't buy mythics at all unless they prove themselves in Legacy, and even then I will try to wait until rotation. That's why I can afford to play some of the most expensive decks in Legacy, but I will almost always play a budget deck in Standard.
Solid point.
Sure it's stupid that something like Sliver Queen or Radiant will never see print again, but just something we have to accept. Or just play MTGO, where you can get a playset of foil original art Juzam Djinns for about eight bucks.
No. I'm saying "we have to obey normal market fluctuations, why do you get a Wizards-enforced monopoly?" Because that's exactly what it is - a restriction on the market in order to prop up prices on cards for specific individuals (investment collectors).
When Nantuko Shade was reprinted, those who were hoarding Shades lost a lot of money. But that's a silly statement in itself, as who would hoard Shades? The vintage/legacy market is extremely different. When you are assured that prices cannot go down due to reprints, it's a lot better "investment" to buy up and hoard cards. Which is overall bad for the community, as then fewer people have cards to play with, even if the total number is the same. Were the reserve list to expire even without reprinting, some of these "investment collectors" would see that it's not as riskless as you might think, they would divest themselves of some cards, more cards would circulate into the system, and prices might go down - or at least the cards would be spread among more people.
The question isn't on us. The question is on "you" (general you) to justify having your investments protected by fiat while ours are not.
This assumes there is actual "hoarding" going on. We know it happens on MTGO more often than in paper, and there may be 1-5 dealers with sufficient stocks of P3K and such, but most of these cards show up on eBay with decent regularity meaning they are still in circulation.
Well, the point of the matter doesn't assume hoarding is going on. The point is that certain card prices are protected by Wizards while others are not, and that this doesn't make a lot of sense. This fact then encourages hoarding of certain cards because you are nearly guaranteed to never lose value (until Magic dies).
They could just make:
White Lotus 0
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And then ban Black Lotus.
Heck, they could make:
White Lotus 0
Artifact - Lotus
t, Sacrifice a Lotus: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.
Ban Black Lotus and then restrict this one in vintage (you'd probably want to restrict the Legendary one too).
This does not violate the Reserve Policy, but it would chance the prices of cards.
The Reserve Policy does not protect the price of cards. Other things do.
Do you own a car? You lose several thousand dollars just driving it off the lot. And yet, people still buy cars. How peculiar. Its almost as if they are getting utility from the purchase to offset the loss of resale value.
I can drive a car for longer than fifteen months before I need to switch to a new car. With all those new fangled decks that would cost me close to a thousand, I would rather just stick to my Legacy Burn deck that is completely foiled and make improvements on it whenever a better burn spell or burn creature comes out.
Please by all means, show me a deck in standard that costs anywhere near a grand and I'll personally fly to your house and allow you to set fire to all of my cards.
Stop using hyperbole to make points, it just makes you look ignorant.
Ignorance, right. Two months ago, U/W control was one of the most expensive decks that reached towards the 800-1000$ range.
I'm just telling it like it is. Consider this:
Low End - 80$
Middle - 90$
High End - 100$
Per pop for a Jace, the Mind sculpter. Then you got things like Path to Exile which would you around 8.50$ per pop. Along with other expensive cards.
Though don't mind me, you must obviously think you know more then this dotty oldie.
Jace keeps going up.
Right, and yet people still got it and played it in Standard.
[/quote] Soo... how is it different than Standard?
Have you done the price comparison with a Legacy RDW and Standard's Titan Control?
Sure, the most expensive Legacy deck is more expensive than the most expensive standard deck, but you can still play Legacy for as much if not LESS than you could standard. And, at least you know you can always trade Dual for Dual and the price will not bottom out in 2 years like it will for Standard staples. You're complaining about it like your format is better, no, SHOULD BE better than Standard.
Well, it should not.
Jace is still more expensive than a revised dual land, and you still don't need either to play in either format, it just helps.