Almost nothing is playable. Currently, there are two rare selling for over $3. Two. Two out of fifty-three. How is this even worth it for dealers to open boxes, let alone individuals? Mythics can't make up the huge price deficit from lack of playable cards.
i agree. i had planned to buy a box, but i'll be content with going to the pre-release, getting a fat pack, and getting the odd pack when i go to wal-mart for that reason. that, and the only rares i want for my decks is Mimic Vat and Seachrome Coast. i'll get singles of those too.
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So you only buy packs/boxes to get money rares? Well I've been doing it wrong then. I was buying them to get cards so I could play he game. Oops.
Buying packs for cards you need to play the game seems like a pretty bad strategy too.. It could take you dozens of packs to get what you need and for the price of less than half of those packs you can buy an entire deck.
This set has a such a dramatically low value that pretty much anyone buying a box is actually just doing it so they can build decks with scars commons and uncommons. Pretty much everyone else will buy singles, like myself.
This is pretty much how things have been since Shards. To get the same quantity of mythics out there, the market gets flooded with rares. The truth is, rares are twice as common as they used to be, and that is absolutely killing any value they may otherwise have had.
So you only buy packs/boxes to get money rares? Well I've been doing it wrong then. I was buying them to get cards so I could play he game. Oops.
Yes, because I buy boxes and sell them. I have 18 boxes of SoM ordered and no real way to get my money back, so at this point I'm just believing for some sweet mythic and foil pulls
when i spend $4 on a pack i expect at the very least... $4 in cards. duh?
Well, the argument Wizards would use is that you're paying for the chance to get more than $4.00 and that over time you will get, on average, 4 dollars for each pack you purchase. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Well, the argument Wizards would use is that you're paying for the chance to get more than $4.00 and that over time you will get, on average, 4 dollars for each pack you purchase. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.
it might be the argument they use but its a flawed one because you end up having to be a ludicrous amount of packs. its not the lotto. its a game.
Buying packs for cards you need to play the game seems like a pretty bad strategy too.. It could take you dozens of packs to get what you need and for the price of less than half of those packs you can buy an entire deck.
Not if I Want commons and uncommons. I'll get most of what I need from one box while getting a nice amount of rares for play/trade. Yes, I'm not going buy 7 cases and expect to become a Internet magic mogul, but saying the set as a whole is trash because every rare isnt a gold mine is silly. There's plenty of decent stuff. People are just complaining because pros havent built a deck for them yet and nothing screams "I win the game if I play this card" at the moment.
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it might be the argument they use but its a flawed one because you end up having to be a ludicrous amount of packs. its not the lotto. its a game.
Yea, I don't disagree. I think the limited format also increases the price of packs, as packs in general are a utility for other activities and the enjoyment of simply 'opening' packs is also considered. If your argument is that you're buying packs for cards you need then there is no argument in support of packs at current prices.
You can get sets of 4x commons and uncommons for 20-30 dollars. That is how many packs?
when i spend $4 on a pack i expect at the very least... $4 in cards. duh?
The set is looking pretty close to early WWK prices which have proven a good value in the longrun to the point where secondary markets are often getting more than $4/pack even on MTGO where they're not OOP.
Everyone seems to be chicken littling and assuming that the Mox + PW's are going to settle, but at the same time thinking that nothing will increase.
Once people start breaking cards in the set it's going to be the same frenetic price increases as always as people suddenly realize X/Y/Z is good that most had overlooked.
Once people start breaking cards in the set it's going to be the same frenetic price increases as always as people suddenly realize X/Y/Z is good that most had overlooked.
Exactly. I bought 4 Serra assendants for 2.50 at my LGS. now they're 5 bucks a piece because of sol sisters. If you're in it for money then treat it like an investment that will appreciate over time, not an insta cash grab.
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Exactly. I bought 4 Serra assendants for 2.50 at my LGS. now they're 5 bucks a piece because of sol sisters. If you're in it for money then treat it like an investment that will appreciate over time, not an insta cash grab.
Generally cards decrease over time. Almost all of them will get cheaper. It's very hard to judge which ones will actually be useful
You're not gonna listen but I'm saying it any way. Buy a box..maybe two. It may not look like much now but I have a hunch there are more than the usual # of sleeping beauties in the list of what you're calling junk rares. The Mythics, sure, you're dead on with how you're valuing them but in the next year I think you'll be surprised when what looks like trash now may turn out to be treasures. I'm calling at least 2 Tarmgoyfesque sleepers that will emergein the next few months of standard and at least another 2 cards that sky rocket in value because of synergy/combo with the next few sets.
Wait and see.
If you think the cards will gain value, better to buy the singles while they're cheap than getting a ton of random stuff. Big sets need to be more like Zendikar, money rares, good mythics, mechanics like landfall that fit into several decks. They failed with RoE and they failed as badly with Scars, depending on PW's as the set's saving grace.
This card will be the worst rare in RTR and less remembered than skaab ruibator in three months. It struggles to be on the same power level as mass of ghouls, even in limited.
That its not simply "not good enough for competitive", or underpowered. But that this is offensively bad, the real stinker tier.
Still, my best evaluation is that its approximately on the same power level as a 4/4 for 4 vanilla beater.
I am certainly looking forward to pulling out some old Mirrodin decks and doing some updates. Things I'm looking at right now: White Weenie/Equp, Green/Black Poison, Trinket Mage/Spellbomb, and Myr. I think Infiltrator Lens plus Infect is amusing. That doesn't make it a good set, but it certainly has potential. It's way too early to tell.
If you're looking at it from a purely economic standpoint: you're not going to recoup $4 a pack unless you're ridiculously lucky and then quit purchasing once you have a decent profit. If cards were $1 a back and buying 100 packs meant always getting a Jacequivalent, sure.
I think Proliferate/Planeswalkers and Poison/Something, Something will come about and we'll have to wait and see. I'm fuming at the lack of artifact lands and I wanted at least one Clockwork creature or a Fifth Dawn-style station, but I'm not ready to say the K-Word and call this bad.
I'm frustrated at Mythics like Mindslaver (I have four already) and Lux Cannon (too slow). Still, we have the Mox and three Planeswalkers. I don't want anither set where one card's worth $75 and nothing else is worth $2, but we don't know that yet.
Almost nothing is playable. Currently, there are two rare selling for over $3. Two. Two out of fifty-three.
The dual lands will get there, so there's five more for ya. But I certainly agree with you that mythics are dominating the value curve in SOM and in recent sets in general.
It is, as another poster noted, Worldwake II: Son of Worldwake.
Here's some advice from an old-timer that's been around since they days before Revised. Unless you plan on selling singles, buying any amount of packs is not a wise investment. The cheapest strategy for buying cards to PLAY the game is to buy a 4x common+uncommon set on eBay. They usually go for about $30-$40. Then buy just the rares you need for the current deck you plan to play or ones that you plan to play in the future. When you're ready to switch decks trade the rares you don't want for ones that will go in your new deck. The more money you have to spend, the more decks you can have going at once. Then a month or two before the standard rotation pick one deck to keep playing and sell all the rest of your rares that are about to rotate on eBay. Once you get the system going, you can sustain it forever on not a whole lot of money at all. The best part is you'll never have to worry about finding or borrowing any commons or uncommons EVER AGAIN because you'll have a 4x set of every set.
The set isn't even Standard legal yet. Wait until the new format settles itself, then see what overall prices look like. You never know what sleeper hit may skyrocket in price.
A lot of people's card evaluations have been thrown off by Alara. Being able to play more powerful spells for less mana (because of the multicolour element) makes people look at these cards and yawn.
I thought this set was great when I looked at it because I know I don't have to deal with jund. I don't have to deal with early fat either. This is actually the kind of format where sparksmith could do well in constructed. There's no putrid leech, no kotor, no thrinax, etc etc.
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http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/search_result.asp?Set_Name=Scars%20of%20Mirrodin (for price info). And, as you can imagine, prices are plummeting lower every day.
For profit ya its wwk all over again.
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When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
Buying packs for cards you need to play the game seems like a pretty bad strategy too.. It could take you dozens of packs to get what you need and for the price of less than half of those packs you can buy an entire deck.
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when i spend $4 on a pack i expect at the very least... $4 in cards. duh?
Yes, because I buy boxes and sell them. I have 18 boxes of SoM ordered and no real way to get my money back, so at this point I'm just believing for some sweet mythic and foil pulls
Well, the argument Wizards would use is that you're paying for the chance to get more than $4.00 and that over time you will get, on average, 4 dollars for each pack you purchase. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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it might be the argument they use but its a flawed one because you end up having to be a ludicrous amount of packs. its not the lotto. its a game.
Not if I Want commons and uncommons. I'll get most of what I need from one box while getting a nice amount of rares for play/trade. Yes, I'm not going buy 7 cases and expect to become a Internet magic mogul, but saying the set as a whole is trash because every rare isnt a gold mine is silly. There's plenty of decent stuff. People are just complaining because pros havent built a deck for them yet and nothing screams "I win the game if I play this card" at the moment.
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When you absolutely, positively got to kill every permanent in the room, accept no substitutes.
Yea, I don't disagree. I think the limited format also increases the price of packs, as packs in general are a utility for other activities and the enjoyment of simply 'opening' packs is also considered. If your argument is that you're buying packs for cards you need then there is no argument in support of packs at current prices.
You can get sets of 4x commons and uncommons for 20-30 dollars. That is how many packs?
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The set is looking pretty close to early WWK prices which have proven a good value in the longrun to the point where secondary markets are often getting more than $4/pack even on MTGO where they're not OOP.
Everyone seems to be chicken littling and assuming that the Mox + PW's are going to settle, but at the same time thinking that nothing will increase.
Once people start breaking cards in the set it's going to be the same frenetic price increases as always as people suddenly realize X/Y/Z is good that most had overlooked.
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Exactly. I bought 4 Serra assendants for 2.50 at my LGS. now they're 5 bucks a piece because of sol sisters. If you're in it for money then treat it like an investment that will appreciate over time, not an insta cash grab.
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Both SoM and M11 have not too many chase cards, but quite a few respectable rares.
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Generally cards decrease over time. Almost all of them will get cheaper. It's very hard to judge which ones will actually be useful
Wait and see.
If you're looking at it from a purely economic standpoint: you're not going to recoup $4 a pack unless you're ridiculously lucky and then quit purchasing once you have a decent profit. If cards were $1 a back and buying 100 packs meant always getting a Jacequivalent, sure.
I think Proliferate/Planeswalkers and Poison/Something, Something will come about and we'll have to wait and see. I'm fuming at the lack of artifact lands and I wanted at least one Clockwork creature or a Fifth Dawn-style station, but I'm not ready to say the K-Word and call this bad.
I'm frustrated at Mythics like Mindslaver (I have four already) and Lux Cannon (too slow). Still, we have the Mox and three Planeswalkers. I don't want anither set where one card's worth $75 and nothing else is worth $2, but we don't know that yet.
The dual lands will get there, so there's five more for ya. But I certainly agree with you that mythics are dominating the value curve in SOM and in recent sets in general.
It is, as another poster noted, Worldwake II: Son of Worldwake.
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I thought this set was great when I looked at it because I know I don't have to deal with jund. I don't have to deal with early fat either. This is actually the kind of format where sparksmith could do well in constructed. There's no putrid leech, no kotor, no thrinax, etc etc.
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