Well Wilt-Leaf Liege won't be around Standard forever, so Knight might see some play after rotation or even before rotation as additional copies of Liege.
Also Stairc, no offense, but that's a whole lot of words that amounts to very little. If you want to write prose you might want to do a blog.
This card would be so much better if it just read like those strength/might of the nehpilims from Ravnica. If it gave the bonus to all creatures, than it at least be a glorious anthem, which would really not be overpowered on a 2/2 for 4.
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This card is worse than any of the SHA/EVE Lieges. However it's not going to share much time in standard with them. After LOR/SHA blocks rotate out, there won't be Cloudgoats, Spectral Procession or Bitterblossom around so who even knows if Volcanic Fallout will see any play? That is when this guy will be any good.
It feels to me like Wizards liked the sort of decks that the lieges enabled, especially the elves.....but were not going to print that many lieges regularly. So they came up with this little number which has some added Johnny appeal, but doesn't have the synergies of Wild-Leaf Liege, so should be more environmentally friendly.
I know that new 'lord' cards pretty much all just impact your own creatures, but for real multi-player madness I would have liked to have seen this pushed a bit harder, but affecting all multi-colour cards.
I mean, hell, we're all on a forum for something that most people would describe as a "children's card game"...do what makes you happy. You are never too old to enjoy yourself.
as long as there are creatures in standard, fallout will see play.
im sure fallout is not the worst vs martial coup either... (the 2nd sweeper to stay after rotation, other is scourglass)
don't forget infest, as as the new knight, I think it might see play but not until lorwyn rotates, then maybe it'll show up, but even then the mana fixing is going to be interesting.
You claim to be a competitive deck builder and not once do you bring up the point that this guy is unplayable compared to him? It's like Shock and Lightning Bolt, One is undercosted and amazing, one is just unplayable, especially so if it's in the same format as the other.
I don't see how you can call a format with Jund Charm and Volcanic Fallout highly played as a great format for a 4 mana 2/2.
Sigh... my point was that the availability of boardsweepers made the knight MORE viable, not less so.
Wilt-leaf liege is more narrow and a little harder to cast. It doesn't let you put cold-eyed selkie and kitchen finks in the same deck and it doesn't give as big a boost to the rhox war-monk. Yeah, it dies to burn less but seriously - with all the terrors, path to exiles, oblivion rings, wrath of gods and more out there the difference in toughness is negligeable. The difference in power is not.
The liege can get some beats in alone and it's a little more resilient but that's it. So what if the knight dies? They're probably not going to kill it the very turn you drop it and even if they did, so what? It's a massive boost stapled to a creature with a lot more potential than wilt-leaf liege. Plus, there's certainly going to be a lot more cards that come out with Alara reborn that the knight will make absurd (it is an all gold set after all).
As for the shock/lightning bolt analogy... I completely agree. They both cost the same but one does an extra point of damage; that's a huge difference. It doesn't always matter, but when it does it's awesome.
But Knight of Alara is the lightning bolt in this case, awarding an extra +1/+1 to all your tri-colored creatures. An extra glorious anthem is awesome and certainly worth risking a 2/2. After all, you don't see people playing sudden shock over tribal flames because the sudden shock is uncounterable. The flames might fall to spell snare but it's effect is SO much bigger.
Besides, who would say no to wilt-leaf lieges 5-8? And forget not revilark...
Sigh... my point was that the availability of boardsweepers made the knight MORE viable, not less so.
So you're saying you should cast this guy before they sweep your board so you can get extra 2-6 points of damage in?
Were as if you play the liege most of your creatures are immune to most board sweepers and you can still swing for some extra.
The knight only seems viable in a 4-5 color beat down deck, I don't know of any but the new set could always change that.
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I really like the new guy. My only problem with him really, is that he suffers from Creakwood Liege syndrome. And we all know what happened to that guy...
But what about monogreen/white creatures? The liege pumps them, the knight doesn't. Also, don't forget the liege is blightning/Thoughtseize resistant.
Ah, forgot about the blightning! Very good point. Thoughtseize didn't seem like a huge issue to me because they'd never choose to kill a wilt-leaf cavalier (they'd just be giving you a free creature) but the blightning is a different story.
I don't think the cavalier's friendly aid to mono-green creatures is a big deal. The only mono-green creatures I see played in standard are birds of paradise, noble hierarch and cloudthresher. Obviously, giving these guys +1/+1 hardly matters. Am I forgetting about some other green creature? It's hard to keep all of standard in your head at once =).
If we're just thinking about a GW deck or even a GW deck the Cavalier is unquestionably better. It's a boost to all your guys, has blightning resistance and is a little more durable. Also, he's a relevant threat on his own. I'd never choose to play Knight of Alara over Wilt-leaf cavalier in a pure GW deck. The reason I like the Knight is because it enables new options for hybrid cards that ar GU or WB but can still be played easiliy off of a decent manabase.
Sigh... my point was that the availability of boardsweepers made the knight MORE viable, not less so.
Wilt-leaf liege is more narrow and a little harder to cast. It doesn't let you put cold-eyed selkie and kitchen finks in the same deck and it doesn't give as big a boost to the rhox war-monk. Yeah, it dies to burn less but seriously - with all the terrors, path to exiles, oblivion rings, wrath of gods and more out there the difference in toughness is negligeable. The difference in power is not.
The liege can get some beats in alone and it's a little more resilient but that's it. So what if the knight dies? They're probably not going to kill it the very turn you drop it and even if they did, so what? It's a massive boost stapled to a creature with a lot more potential than wilt-leaf liege. Plus, there's certainly going to be a lot more cards that come out with Alara reborn that the knight will make absurd (it is an all gold set after all).
As for the shock/lightning bolt analogy... I completely agree. They both cost the same but one does an extra point of damage; that's a huge difference. It doesn't always matter, but when it does it's awesome.
But Knight of Alara is the lightning bolt in this case, awarding an extra +1/+1 to all your tri-colored creatures. An extra glorious anthem is awesome and certainly worth risking a 2/2. After all, you don't see people playing sudden shock over tribal flames because the sudden shock is uncounterable. The flames might fall to spell snare but it's effect is SO much bigger.
Besides, who would say no to wilt-leaf lieges 5-8? And forget not revilark...
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Volcanic Fallout alone makes this guy terrible, as he will die, then your whole board will die as they lose the bonus. The only time he is 'better' than W-L liege is if you are running a lot of tricolor creatures (since you need G and W just to cast him anyway). Even then he's not really better, as half the attraction of W-L liege is the 4/4 body for 4, the pump ability is a BONUS because it relies on your board position. Also, W-L liege pumps Spec Procession (one of the top 2 or 3 most powerful cards in Standard right now) and Cloudgoat Ranger tokens. The extra +1 damage the Knight of New Alara might occasionally provide to a creature on your side will almost NEVER overcome the fact that W-L liege is already +2/+2 bigger than KoNA.
to sum it up:
W-L is better:
1) by itself. This is the most important thing as a threat that depends on a winning board position to be good is NOT a good threat, no matter how big an essay you write about it.
2) with mono G and W creatures. White tokens are especially relevant.
3) against blightning & discard. In fact its utterly brutal against Blightning and Raven's Crime and also weakens thoughtseize.
4) with GW creatures on the table (since the liege is bigger and VF will not ruin your entire board).
5) with one or two tricolor guys on the table. W-L is STILL better as you still have more power on the table that is not vulnerable to burn. Example: Rhox War Monk + Liege is better than Rhox War Monk + KoNA. The former case you have more raw power on the table, AND your bonus is not at the mercy of Incinerate, Agony Warp, Magma Spray or Volcanic Fallout.
KoNA is better:
1) if you have lots of tricolored or different multicolored creatures on the table. In this case it provides a whopping extra +1/+1 per creature at best. Fantastic You would need three tricolored creatures to surpass W-L liege just from the extra +2/+2 W-L liege has compared to KoNA. Even better.
Its amazing how cards like path to exile and volcanic fallout seem to shut down every deck. Its almost pointless to play anything x/2 acording to the logic on the last couple of pages.
Its amazing how cards like path to exile and volcanic fallout seem to shut down every deck. Its almost pointless to play anything x/2 acording to the logic on the last couple of pages.
They're both real threats in the format. You have to come to grips with that.
Its not pointless to play x/2 things. Who said that? Knight of the White Orchid is amazing. Knight of Meadowgrain. Mulldrifter. Spellstutter Sprite.
It is, however, pointless to play a 4 mana 2/2 with a very mediocre pump ability in a format with much better pumpers available. Especially since W-L liege is, as I pointed out, basically strictly better. You need three tricolor/off-color creatures on the table for Knight of New Alara to provide slightly more benefit than W-L liege, WHILE still being immensely vulnerable to burn and Volcanic Fallout. This is pure "new card syndrome", the same reason people thought Lapse of Certainty and Sarkhan Vol were going to be AWESOMEEEEE.
Its amazing how cards like path to exile and volcanic fallout seem to shut down every deck. Its almost pointless to play anything x/2 acording to the logic on the last couple of pages.
Yeah really. Everything dies to removal. And a few decks might actually use him to great adavantage once LOR/SHA rotate out in October...
This card is EPIC EPIC win for dark bant. Think of this. T1 forest/noble hierarch. T2 land/rhox. T3 Land/Rafiq. T/4 Knight of New Alara. This would be a fourth turn swing for 30.
I am thrilled that Naya just got this guy AND Marisi's Twinclaw.
Sure he is as fragile as any other creature to removal, but getting a 5/7 Doublestrike for 4 looks like hot turds to me. Wooly Thoctar on t3 with an attack for 8 on t4... I am 90% sure no one will play the knight, but it gets my Timmy itch going.
Also Stairc, no offense, but that's a whole lot of words that amounts to very little. If you want to write prose you might want to do a blog.
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im sure fallout is not the worst vs martial coup either... (the 2nd sweeper to stay after rotation, other is scourglass)
I know that new 'lord' cards pretty much all just impact your own creatures, but for real multi-player madness I would have liked to have seen this pushed a bit harder, but affecting all multi-colour cards.
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don't forget infest, as as the new knight, I think it might see play but not until lorwyn rotates, then maybe it'll show up, but even then the mana fixing is going to be interesting.
Sigh... my point was that the availability of boardsweepers made the knight MORE viable, not less so.
Wilt-leaf liege is more narrow and a little harder to cast. It doesn't let you put cold-eyed selkie and kitchen finks in the same deck and it doesn't give as big a boost to the rhox war-monk. Yeah, it dies to burn less but seriously - with all the terrors, path to exiles, oblivion rings, wrath of gods and more out there the difference in toughness is negligeable. The difference in power is not.
The liege can get some beats in alone and it's a little more resilient but that's it. So what if the knight dies? They're probably not going to kill it the very turn you drop it and even if they did, so what? It's a massive boost stapled to a creature with a lot more potential than wilt-leaf liege. Plus, there's certainly going to be a lot more cards that come out with Alara reborn that the knight will make absurd (it is an all gold set after all).
As for the shock/lightning bolt analogy... I completely agree. They both cost the same but one does an extra point of damage; that's a huge difference. It doesn't always matter, but when it does it's awesome.
But Knight of Alara is the lightning bolt in this case, awarding an extra +1/+1 to all your tri-colored creatures. An extra glorious anthem is awesome and certainly worth risking a 2/2. After all, you don't see people playing sudden shock over tribal flames because the sudden shock is uncounterable. The flames might fall to spell snare but it's effect is SO much bigger.
Besides, who would say no to wilt-leaf lieges 5-8? And forget not revilark...
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So you're saying you should cast this guy before they sweep your board so you can get extra 2-6 points of damage in?
Were as if you play the liege most of your creatures are immune to most board sweepers and you can still swing for some extra.
The knight only seems viable in a 4-5 color beat down deck, I don't know of any but the new set could always change that.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
beacuse now you have 3 creatures in play that die to fallout instead of 2
Ah, forgot about the blightning! Very good point. Thoughtseize didn't seem like a huge issue to me because they'd never choose to kill a wilt-leaf cavalier (they'd just be giving you a free creature) but the blightning is a different story.
I don't think the cavalier's friendly aid to mono-green creatures is a big deal. The only mono-green creatures I see played in standard are birds of paradise, noble hierarch and cloudthresher. Obviously, giving these guys +1/+1 hardly matters. Am I forgetting about some other green creature? It's hard to keep all of standard in your head at once =).
If we're just thinking about a GW deck or even a GW deck the Cavalier is unquestionably better. It's a boost to all your guys, has blightning resistance and is a little more durable. Also, he's a relevant threat on his own. I'd never choose to play Knight of Alara over Wilt-leaf cavalier in a pure GW deck. The reason I like the Knight is because it enables new options for hybrid cards that ar GU or WB but can still be played easiliy off of a decent manabase.
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hey comeon let's play BOTH Wilt-leaf Liege and this knight
Volcanic Fallout alone makes this guy terrible, as he will die, then your whole board will die as they lose the bonus. The only time he is 'better' than W-L liege is if you are running a lot of tricolor creatures (since you need G and W just to cast him anyway). Even then he's not really better, as half the attraction of W-L liege is the 4/4 body for 4, the pump ability is a BONUS because it relies on your board position. Also, W-L liege pumps Spec Procession (one of the top 2 or 3 most powerful cards in Standard right now) and Cloudgoat Ranger tokens. The extra +1 damage the Knight of New Alara might occasionally provide to a creature on your side will almost NEVER overcome the fact that W-L liege is already +2/+2 bigger than KoNA.
to sum it up:
W-L is better:
1) by itself. This is the most important thing as a threat that depends on a winning board position to be good is NOT a good threat, no matter how big an essay you write about it.
2) with mono G and W creatures. White tokens are especially relevant.
3) against blightning & discard. In fact its utterly brutal against Blightning and Raven's Crime and also weakens thoughtseize.
4) with GW creatures on the table (since the liege is bigger and VF will not ruin your entire board).
5) with one or two tricolor guys on the table. W-L is STILL better as you still have more power on the table that is not vulnerable to burn. Example: Rhox War Monk + Liege is better than Rhox War Monk + KoNA. The former case you have more raw power on the table, AND your bonus is not at the mercy of Incinerate, Agony Warp, Magma Spray or Volcanic Fallout.
KoNA is better:
1) if you have lots of tricolored or different multicolored creatures on the table. In this case it provides a whopping extra +1/+1 per creature at best. Fantastic You would need three tricolored creatures to surpass W-L liege just from the extra +2/+2 W-L liege has compared to KoNA. Even better.
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Yeah, but that's lethal damage that turn. So they'd have to have 1RR open purely for the possibility of KoNA, or die.
They're both real threats in the format. You have to come to grips with that.
Its not pointless to play x/2 things. Who said that? Knight of the White Orchid is amazing. Knight of Meadowgrain. Mulldrifter. Spellstutter Sprite.
It is, however, pointless to play a 4 mana 2/2 with a very mediocre pump ability in a format with much better pumpers available. Especially since W-L liege is, as I pointed out, basically strictly better. You need three tricolor/off-color creatures on the table for Knight of New Alara to provide slightly more benefit than W-L liege, WHILE still being immensely vulnerable to burn and Volcanic Fallout. This is pure "new card syndrome", the same reason people thought Lapse of Certainty and Sarkhan Vol were going to be AWESOMEEEEE.
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Yeah really. Everything dies to removal. And a few decks might actually use him to great adavantage once LOR/SHA rotate out in October...
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Figure of Destiny gets +2/+2. As are all the other 1 drop hybrids.
Scuttlemutt gives any creature you control +5/+5 or, in the case of two colored creatures, an additional +3/+3 (plus it can give this to itself).
Thoctar is an 8/7 for 3. All the 2/2 for 2CC pro guys are now 4/4 for 2. Plus this guy can be given indestructible with Wings of the Oversoul.
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Fun with that 1/1 doublestrike for 2 as well.
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Sure he is as fragile as any other creature to removal, but getting a 5/7 Doublestrike for 4 looks like hot turds to me. Wooly Thoctar on t3 with an attack for 8 on t4... I am 90% sure no one will play the knight, but it gets my Timmy itch going.
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