I cannot see how WotC will make the Purple Reprints T2 Legal... That would mean that Rav block, 9th ed., Coldsnap, TS, AND the reprint set 'o brokenness would all be legal in the same format. Maybe they are trying to encourage Urza-like brokenness or crazy deck variety. Thoughts?
People keep saying that they hope that the Time Spiral reprint subset won't be legal in standard, mainly because of "Brokenness".
I don't see what is broken at all about these cards so far. There are some good cards, sure, but broken? Nah.
From what I've heard, I'm 98% sure that these cards are standard legal. But hey, 2% is what Rancored_Elf called the chance of Time Spiral being real, so anythings possible.
I think they're going to wait too long to tell us anything about it and we'll be so fed up with it anyway that we'll all stop playing and switch to Yu-Gi-Oh.
Did I mention that they've waited too long to give official word on Purple cards? Did I? DID I?!?!
especially with hydro's latest sets of purple cards i'm pretty much convinced they won't be legal in type two. it's too much screwing with the color wheel. c'mon, psionic blast? d-chant? can you see these in type 2 along char and naturalize?
1. Two blocks and two bonus sets would make standard seriously chaotic.
2. The purple cards, as a set, are broken. Not that an individual card would break standard, but a good deal of the 121 cards we've seen so far could be considered the best (or close) in the game at what they do, and overall have a much higher average power level than a regular set...
EDIT: Out of the 25 cards we know, here's a list of the ones that I think are either rather powerful, or near the best at what they do:
Consecrate Land
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Psionic Blast *
Avatar of Woe
Withered Wretch
Avalanche Riders
Fiery Temper
Call of the Herd *
Wall of Roots
Shadowmage Infiltrator
Stormbind
Tormod's Crypt
The Rack *
Pendelhaven
But you've got to remember: What gets played in constructed is also above average for a set. Nobody plays cards like Chimney Imp or Ghosts of The Innocent in constructed. Even 'good' cards in limited like Galvanic Arc and Tolsimir Wolfblood see no constructed play. My point - it's not the average power level that's the issue so much as the maximum power level.
For what I've heard is all the opposite. People will go on a strike and sue everyone if those cards aren't legal. I'm mostly buying for the reprints and so are many people in here. We are kind of pushing them to tell us that they'll be legal.
If there aren't they've just stole my money.
That's why possibly they haven't confirmed reprints at the site in order to not take blame for people buying without knowledge (confirmation) from these reprints wether they are legal or not.
Kind of harsh for us if they think that way.
That kind of action would push a great number of people out of the game and that would be sad because since the hype I've convinced many old players to take a look and they've actually been making a small comeback with hopes on what Time Spiral has to offer.
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We'll WOTC is indeed blowing our minds away alright, but it doesnt have to be standard legal when this block comes out. And im like 90% certain that this won't be? psionic blast? i mean red has it yes, but blue??? disenchant? mystic snake? geez.
and ask yourselves this? why didnt jut put them into straight reprints if they were going to reprint them anyway? why the purple symbol? why the old border?
answer: to be able put those cards in extended when those blocks rotate out without making them legal in the standard environment they're printed in. i mean cmon?!! finkel, budde, m. snake, whispers, flying men, the threshold guy, soltari priest etc etc. thats the only way they can rpint these cards, have them legal in extended without making them legal in a certain format. different symbol, different border, powerful cards but not tolarian academy nor lotus petal nor strip mine level. nuff said. quote me on that. the 10% is that they had one of those indian leaves that are basically concentrated crack.
plus its fun in limited and probably a little fun for masses for block constructed tourneys (which is honestly pretty boring)
ill join the band wagon and just say ill eat something terribly horrible (but still edible like a leather shoe for example) and post it in youtube or something. i swear that on my grandmas upper lip.
But you've got to remember: What gets played in constructed is also above average for a set. Nobody plays cards like Chimney Imp or Ghosts of The Innocent in constructed. Even 'good' cards in limited like Galvanic Arc and Tolsimir Wolfblood see no constructed play. My point - it's not the average power level that's the issue so much as the maximum power level.
Straight up awesome cards:
The Rack
Call of the Herd
Psionic Blast
Shadowmage Infiltrator
Pendelhaven
Avalanche Riders
Cards that are less awesome, but will probably be a staple in the right deck:
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Avatar of Woe
Wall of Roots
Fiery Temper
Sidebaord cards:
Withered Wretch
Tormod's Crypt
I still say, 12/25 cards being tournement worthy is a lot above average power level...
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My point - it's not the average power level that's the issue so much as the maximum power level.
Actually, I disagree... if I could make up a power level chart for a second:
1- sucky
3- average
5 -good
7- very good
9- insane (Yawgamoth's will, P9...)
Now, an average set would have a power level of, obviously, 3, while I'd say that this purple set seems to have an average power level of 5. Now, obviously, a single 5 card won't break the format, but... you don't make a deck of 7's or 9's. You make them of 5's. You might put a 7 or 9 in your deck if you're lucky, but you can't make a deck only out of them, there just aren't enough (at least in standard). Flooding the format with 121 5's will drastically increase the power level (and/or number) of decks.
And, of course, it's a lot easier to go from an average of 5 to a 7 than from an average of 3 to a 7, so there's probably gonna end up being a high concentrations of 7's in there, too.
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I'd move Withered wretch (better than most t2 legal black 2-drops + it hoses vore, flare and dredge) and Wall of roots (as annoying as STE) right among the "awesome" cards.
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Until recently I was very firmly on the "They have to be Standard legal" side of the fence. But with Psionic Blast, Disenchant, Gemstone Mine, Tormod's Crypt, Gaea's Blessing and Whispers of the Muse appearing in the lists recently, I'm starting to get rather sceptical.
With the possible exception of Tormod's Crypt (which is fairly narrow), none of these cards are of a power level that would upset T2 by themselves. But it seems like a very strange thing to upset all the recent work in shifting and defining the colour pie.
The timing of it just seems off. I would have thought that they'd let an Extended season go by without all the old time staples like, say Counterspell before they start saturating the format with a bunch of reprints.
I don't think that the size of the pool is really a problem, except that Standard is supposed to be the cheapest format to get into. With so many cards legal and a new slightly rarer than rare rarity (say that with a mouthful of hot chips), not to mention the Ravnica shocklands, it's shaping up to be quite a high barrier to entry into any constructed format if these are legal.
Oh and you bunch who are saying that The Rack is a great card and overpowered, have you ever played with/against one? Yes, the 1 CMC is quite good, but it's nothing like Black Vise where dropping one on the first turn actually does, well, anything at all really. A player with 2 or less cards in their hand is either screwed anyway and probably going to lose Rack or no Rack, going to win anyway or over committed to the board and setting themselves up for mass removal.
Than and then are very different words.
"I'm going to have more than Natalie Portman" is quite different from "I'm going to have more, then Natalie Portman".
Yep if they reprinted Black Vise then I would say that Hellbent might finally have a chance. Rakdos is such a rejected guild. Then again Tormod's crypt isnt a card i though t they would eva reprint.
Wizards is reprinting cards with no mana cost, and you think that reprinting disenchant and psionic blast is crazy?
Would you have ever thought of cards like Evermind and Lotus Bloom would ever exist, until they actually did?
Exactly!
So there's 121 old cards that you can play again in type 2, who cares...are we all going to build decks around wall of roots, consecrate land and void now?
I doubt we'll be building decks around shadowmage infiltrator and akroma either...so live with it.
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Wizards is reprinting cards with no mana cost, and you think that reprinting disenchant and psionic blast is crazy?
Would you have ever thought of cards like Evermind and Lotus Bloom would ever exist, until they actually did?
Exactly!
So there's 121 old cards that you can play again in type 2, who cares...are we all going to build decks around wall of roots, consecrate land and void now?
I doubt we'll be building decks around shadowmage infiltrator and akroma either...so live with it.
you make it sound ike evermind is good. and lotus bloom is a "fixed" black lotus. and as for the akroma infiltrator bit. yes, people would be building around it. its not all the cards per se, im asying some of the cards. which validates the point that these cards will be for the future extended. the crap cards are there to balance limited a little bit. plus printing all good cards would damage how the market views a set.
anyway kobolds of the kher keep had no mana cost (it has but it had 0 as its cost so its basically "free") they just kinda tweaked/neutered the concept so it wouldnt be so free.
i think ts will change many things in magic.
i think purples will be t2 legal and thats because of their legality magic will change a lot.
if purples will be ilegall then we pay 4 euros per booster box and get 1 t2 legal card less and 1 worthless card.
i dont think wotc will do such a terrible mistake. they gona loose a lot of players and this is equal to loosing a lot of money.
i prefer those cards to be t2 legal
i think ts will change many things in magic.
i think purples will be t2 legal and thats because of their legality magic will change a lot.
if purples will be ilegall then we pay 4 euros per booster box and get 1 t2 legal card less and 1 worthless card.
i dont think wotc will do such a terrible mistake. they gona loose a lot of players and this is equal to loosing a lot of money.
i prefer those cards to be t2 legal
its not a mistake. if it were it was a mistake printing gate hounds and other crap like that. i pay 4 bucks for fourteen plus one (or 2) t2 card that i would not ever play.
and thats the point of calling them bonus cards and just not straight reprints. just like the pro player cards. they are "bonus" cards but heck i cant play em in t2 at all. lol.
*sigh* This discussion is endless. You can use all the reasoning in the world, give all the possible and right arguments, but you won't be right (or wrong) until the official statement is here. Please stop opening threads to discuss this when every thread with purple reprints on it has a battle to decide if they are legal or not.
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But you've got to remember: What gets played in constructed is also above average for a set. Nobody plays cards like Chimney Imp or Ghosts of The Innocent in constructed. Even 'good' cards in limited like Galvanic Arc and Tolsimir Wolfblood see no constructed play. My point - it's not the average power level that's the issue so much as the maximum power level.
That's not true at all; it is the highest mean power level a single deck can play. The problem is that with 121 extra cards, that level goes up, and a lot of these cards are on the edge of printability (and Psionic Blast is a bit beyond that). You're looking at decks running no card with a power level below 8, which is scary, and perhaps none below a 9, which would be horrifying. For a good example, remember how zoo can goldfish on turn 4? Now, let's say that zoo could run a full 22 cards worth of 2-power 1-drops. They'd get their turn 4 goldfish a ton more often. Now let's say they could do this and counter ***. At this point, you realize, the deck is stupidly powerful. However, none of the individual cards in the deck were broken, and all are printable on their own. But you now have a blue/red/white deck which is pretty much broken between its spot removal and counterspell capabilities along with a turn 4 goldfish. That is the situation you could be looking at. It won't be zoo; it will be some other deck (unless they reprint Jackal Pup…). But it could well happen and if something like that happens, Standard is screwed. Fundamentally high power level is bad because it leads to situations where you can ban cards and it doesn't make a difference.
For what I've heard is all the opposite. People will go on a strike and sue everyone if those cards aren't legal. I'm mostly buying for the reprints and so are many people in here. We are kind of pushing them to tell us that they'll be legal. [/quot] I'm not, I think they're a bad idea and are a major turn off, as do many of the people I play with in college. If they are legal, they lose a lot of customers. And its impossible to sue WotC over it. [quote]That kind of action would push a great number of people out of the game and that would be sad because since the hype I've convinced many old players to take a look and they've actually been making a small comeback with hopes on what Time Spiral has to offer. Ravnica is a far better model. I liked Urza Saga, but didn't like that I had no one to play with; I prefer a balanced environment like Kami-Rav. And really, if you speculate, it isn't WotC's problem; look at Wreak Havoc and Giant Solifuge.
I still say, 12/25 cards being tournement worthy is a lot above average power level...
They aren't just tournament worthy, they're top tier cards.
Oh and you bunch who are saying that The Rack is a great card and overpowered, have you ever played with/against one? Yes, the 1 CMC is quite good, but it's nothing like Black Vise where dropping one on the first turn actually does, well, anything at all really. A player with 2 or less cards in their hand is either screwed anyway and probably going to lose Rack or no Rack, going to win anyway or over committed to the board and setting themselves up for mass removal.
The Rack is nowhere near as broken as Black Vise, which is often better than a lava axe to the face. That being said, the Rack is borderline printable; the problem is that you get stuck at 0 and stay there pretty much permanently, and if you don't, you're effectively losing CA. It just is bad news, though it being 1 just means it is easier to put out without disrupting your discard game. Turn 1 rack, turn 2 ravenous rats, turn 3 grotesque, turn 4 more discard should empty their hand, and you can run enough redundancy in there to do it.
Wizards is reprinting cards with no mana cost, and you think that reprinting disenchant and psionic blast is crazy?
Cards with no mana cost aren't crazy; they're fine, if weird. Something will probably break thanks to the new rules, but eh, its not in standard. The best thing I've seen so far is Panoptic Mirror, and the Mirror costs 5 mana and requires you to run the generally poor costless cards.
Would you have ever thought of cards like Evermind and Lotus Bloom would ever exist, until they actually did?
Actually, I made Lotus Bloom in my own, personal set. It was called Frozen Lotus, and was the same as Lotus Bloom (except it actually sat in play).
So there's 121 old cards that you can play again in type 2, who cares...are we all going to build decks around wall of roots, consecrate land and void now?
Wall of Roots is very good, and Void isn't exactly bad.
if purples will be ilegall then we pay 4 euros per booster box and get 1 t2 legal card less and 1 worthless card.
Well, first off you Europeans get owned on the prices over there. Secondly, yes, it is exactly that way, but you're actually better off that way long term. Here's why – if you play competitively, your deck, if the purples are legal, is much more expensive and rare intensive. You have to run more rares, and they're expensive at that due to their rarity and power. You're looking at decks that don't run cards which cost less than $10.
and think this...what the point to call them bonus cards if they are not legal?
Who called them bonus cards? Not WotC. The problem with the rumor mill is that people take speculation as fact, then are like OMG WE WERE LIED TO!!! In reality, Giant Solifuge wasn't a 4/3 and Wreak Havoc was not going to come out at 1RG, and I built the deck which proved it, and I'm sure a similar deck was used internally to prove Wreak Havoc could not cost 3. People claimed WotC lied, and whined endlessly, and said Solifuge sucked. In the end, we need official confirmation of the existence of the purple cards (there still is no such confirmation, all we've got is a blurry screenshot of Akroma and photos from an auction which was pulled, as some speculated it would be if it was a hoax (though obviously WotC simply could have had it pulled)); then we can perhaps find out if they are legal in any formats. I have my doubts.
*sigh* This discussion is endless. You can use all the reasoning in the world, give all the possible and right arguments, but you won't be right (or wrong) until the official statement is here. Please stop opening threads to discuss this when every thread with purple reprints on it has a battle to decide if they are legal or not.
i will ignore you because i can.
but cmon arent you at least curious and a little bit up for debate about this issue? and dont even deny it, this IS an issue. This set isnt only extremely hyped, it also game changing.
Every abstract concept is relative all relative is zero. Ignore me...
I expected that answer Titanium Dragon (and we know we cant sue WoTc is just an expression).
Is not that more power is bad, it is that is more difficult to manage. If we have high expectations we must deal with high power. Besides the net and all the globalization in making all the surprise in games like this one pretty cheap. We get answers way too quick. So a large card pool should keep us busy for more than a while.
My question for everybody out there is?
Are you afraid of a "neo affinity" kind of deck?
or are you willing to pound with you wit and all the tools available against the machine?
I find more amusing coming with something against everything.
The purples won't be legal on t2 or limited, I believe. It would be too big change for t2 and Limited would be no fun at all, because big majority of games would be "Let's-wait-for-one-of-my-three-big-purple-bombs". I don't regret losing one common for a reprinted card, because it will still have much bigger value than one common.
Except that most of the purple cards aren't really bombs. Sure, there's Akroma, Angel of Wrath... who suffers from all the usual problems with 8-drops. There's Shadowmage Infiltrator, and he's pretty good. Two-color can be slightly restrictive in a non-rav environment, but good. There's Psionic Blast... but that's one-shot removal or 4 to the dome. And then there are the purples that aren't so flash. Flying Men is fine, but nothing special. A number of cards like Gaea's Blessing, Tornod's Crypt and Disenchant are strong, but not particularily relevant in limited and certainly not game-breaking. And then there's stuff like Sengire Autocrat and Evil Eye of Orms-by-Gore which is just kinda cool but not particularily strong at all. Some are powerful but with really nasty mana costs like Lightning Angel and Nicol Bolas.
Yes there are some powerful reprints. Finkel, Stormbind, Akroma, Avatar of Woe, Call of the Herd and Sacred Mesa can potentially dominate a limited game. A number of others are good and highly playable but won't make such an impact. That's six out of 25 cards that could be considered 'bombs', and most of these are from Prophesy or newer. I think they'll certainly be legal in limited and probably in standard.
I don't see what is broken at all about these cards so far. There are some good cards, sure, but broken? Nah.
From what I've heard, I'm 98% sure that these cards are standard legal. But hey, 2% is what Rancored_Elf called the chance of Time Spiral being real, so anythings possible.
Did I mention that they've waited too long to give official word on Purple cards? Did I? DID I?!?!
1. Two blocks and two bonus sets would make standard seriously chaotic.
2. The purple cards, as a set, are broken. Not that an individual card would break standard, but a good deal of the 121 cards we've seen so far could be considered the best (or close) in the game at what they do, and overall have a much higher average power level than a regular set...
EDIT: Out of the 25 cards we know, here's a list of the ones that I think are either rather powerful, or near the best at what they do:
Consecrate Land
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Psionic Blast *
Avatar of Woe
Withered Wretch
Avalanche Riders
Fiery Temper
Call of the Herd *
Wall of Roots
Shadowmage Infiltrator
Stormbind
Tormod's Crypt
The Rack *
Pendelhaven
- And most of the rest are pretty decent, too.
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Cool stuff here.
If there aren't they've just stole my money.
That's why possibly they haven't confirmed reprints at the site in order to not take blame for people buying without knowledge (confirmation) from these reprints wether they are legal or not.
Kind of harsh for us if they think that way.
That kind of action would push a great number of people out of the game and that would be sad because since the hype I've convinced many old players to take a look and they've actually been making a small comeback with hopes on what Time Spiral has to offer.
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We'll WOTC is indeed blowing our minds away alright, but it doesnt have to be standard legal when this block comes out. And im like 90% certain that this won't be? psionic blast? i mean red has it yes, but blue??? disenchant? mystic snake? geez.
and ask yourselves this? why didnt jut put them into straight reprints if they were going to reprint them anyway? why the purple symbol? why the old border?
answer: to be able put those cards in extended when those blocks rotate out without making them legal in the standard environment they're printed in. i mean cmon?!! finkel, budde, m. snake, whispers, flying men, the threshold guy, soltari priest etc etc. thats the only way they can rpint these cards, have them legal in extended without making them legal in a certain format. different symbol, different border, powerful cards but not tolarian academy nor lotus petal nor strip mine level. nuff said. quote me on that. the 10% is that they had one of those indian leaves that are basically concentrated crack.
plus its fun in limited and probably a little fun for masses for block constructed tourneys (which is honestly pretty boring)
ill join the band wagon and just say ill eat something terribly horrible (but still edible like a leather shoe for example) and post it in youtube or something. i swear that on my grandmas upper lip.
Straight up awesome cards:
The Rack
Call of the Herd
Psionic Blast
Shadowmage Infiltrator
Pendelhaven
Avalanche Riders
Cards that are less awesome, but will probably be a staple in the right deck:
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Avatar of Woe
Wall of Roots
Fiery Temper
Sidebaord cards:
Withered Wretch
Tormod's Crypt
I still say, 12/25 cards being tournement worthy is a lot above average power level...
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Actually, I disagree... if I could make up a power level chart for a second:
1- sucky
3- average
5 -good
7- very good
9- insane (Yawgamoth's will, P9...)
Now, an average set would have a power level of, obviously, 3, while I'd say that this purple set seems to have an average power level of 5. Now, obviously, a single 5 card won't break the format, but... you don't make a deck of 7's or 9's. You make them of 5's. You might put a 7 or 9 in your deck if you're lucky, but you can't make a deck only out of them, there just aren't enough (at least in standard). Flooding the format with 121 5's will drastically increase the power level (and/or number) of decks.
And, of course, it's a lot easier to go from an average of 5 to a 7 than from an average of 3 to a 7, so there's probably gonna end up being a high concentrations of 7's in there, too.
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I'd move Withered wretch (better than most t2 legal black 2-drops + it hoses vore, flare and dredge) and Wall of roots (as annoying as STE) right among the "awesome" cards.
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With the possible exception of Tormod's Crypt (which is fairly narrow), none of these cards are of a power level that would upset T2 by themselves. But it seems like a very strange thing to upset all the recent work in shifting and defining the colour pie.
The timing of it just seems off. I would have thought that they'd let an Extended season go by without all the old time staples like, say Counterspell before they start saturating the format with a bunch of reprints.
I don't think that the size of the pool is really a problem, except that Standard is supposed to be the cheapest format to get into. With so many cards legal and a new slightly rarer than rare rarity (say that with a mouthful of hot chips), not to mention the Ravnica shocklands, it's shaping up to be quite a high barrier to entry into any constructed format if these are legal.
Oh and you bunch who are saying that The Rack is a great card and overpowered, have you ever played with/against one? Yes, the 1 CMC is quite good, but it's nothing like Black Vise where dropping one on the first turn actually does, well, anything at all really. A player with 2 or less cards in their hand is either screwed anyway and probably going to lose Rack or no Rack, going to win anyway or over committed to the board and setting themselves up for mass removal.
"I'm going to have more than Natalie Portman" is quite different from "I'm going to have more, then Natalie Portman".
Would you have ever thought of cards like Evermind and Lotus Bloom would ever exist, until they actually did?
Exactly!
So there's 121 old cards that you can play again in type 2, who cares...are we all going to build decks around wall of roots, consecrate land and void now?
I doubt we'll be building decks around shadowmage infiltrator and akroma either...so live with it.
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you make it sound ike evermind is good. and lotus bloom is a "fixed" black lotus. and as for the akroma infiltrator bit. yes, people would be building around it. its not all the cards per se, im asying some of the cards. which validates the point that these cards will be for the future extended. the crap cards are there to balance limited a little bit. plus printing all good cards would damage how the market views a set.
anyway kobolds of the kher keep had no mana cost (it has but it had 0 as its cost so its basically "free") they just kinda tweaked/neutered the concept so it wouldnt be so free.
i think purples will be t2 legal and thats because of their legality magic will change a lot.
if purples will be ilegall then we pay 4 euros per booster box and get 1 t2 legal card less and 1 worthless card.
i dont think wotc will do such a terrible mistake. they gona loose a lot of players and this is equal to loosing a lot of money.
i prefer those cards to be t2 legal
its not a mistake. if it were it was a mistake printing gate hounds and other crap like that. i pay 4 bucks for fourteen plus one (or 2) t2 card that i would not ever play.
and thats the point of calling them bonus cards and just not straight reprints. just like the pro player cards. they are "bonus" cards but heck i cant play em in t2 at all. lol.
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That's not true at all; it is the highest mean power level a single deck can play. The problem is that with 121 extra cards, that level goes up, and a lot of these cards are on the edge of printability (and Psionic Blast is a bit beyond that). You're looking at decks running no card with a power level below 8, which is scary, and perhaps none below a 9, which would be horrifying.
For a good example, remember how zoo can goldfish on turn 4? Now, let's say that zoo could run a full 22 cards worth of 2-power 1-drops. They'd get their turn 4 goldfish a ton more often. Now let's say they could do this and counter ***. At this point, you realize, the deck is stupidly powerful. However, none of the individual cards in the deck were broken, and all are printable on their own. But you now have a blue/red/white deck which is pretty much broken between its spot removal and counterspell capabilities along with a turn 4 goldfish.
That is the situation you could be looking at. It won't be zoo; it will be some other deck (unless they reprint Jackal Pup…). But it could well happen and if something like that happens, Standard is screwed.
Fundamentally high power level is bad because it leads to situations where you can ban cards and it doesn't make a difference.
For what I've heard is all the opposite. People will go on a strike and sue everyone if those cards aren't legal. I'm mostly buying for the reprints and so are many people in here. We are kind of pushing them to tell us that they'll be legal. [/quot]
I'm not, I think they're a bad idea and are a major turn off, as do many of the people I play with in college. If they are legal, they lose a lot of customers. And its impossible to sue WotC over it.
[quote]That kind of action would push a great number of people out of the game and that would be sad because since the hype I've convinced many old players to take a look and they've actually been making a small comeback with hopes on what Time Spiral has to offer.
Ravnica is a far better model. I liked Urza Saga, but didn't like that I had no one to play with; I prefer a balanced environment like Kami-Rav.
And really, if you speculate, it isn't WotC's problem; look at Wreak Havoc and Giant Solifuge.
They aren't just tournament worthy, they're top tier cards.
The Rack is nowhere near as broken as Black Vise, which is often better than a lava axe to the face. That being said, the Rack is borderline printable; the problem is that you get stuck at 0 and stay there pretty much permanently, and if you don't, you're effectively losing CA. It just is bad news, though it being 1 just means it is easier to put out without disrupting your discard game. Turn 1 rack, turn 2 ravenous rats, turn 3 grotesque, turn 4 more discard should empty their hand, and you can run enough redundancy in there to do it.
Cards with no mana cost aren't crazy; they're fine, if weird. Something will probably break thanks to the new rules, but eh, its not in standard. The best thing I've seen so far is Panoptic Mirror, and the Mirror costs 5 mana and requires you to run the generally poor costless cards.
Actually, I made Lotus Bloom in my own, personal set. It was called Frozen Lotus, and was the same as Lotus Bloom (except it actually sat in play).
Wall of Roots is very good, and Void isn't exactly bad.
Well, first off you Europeans get owned on the prices over there. Secondly, yes, it is exactly that way, but you're actually better off that way long term. Here's why – if you play competitively, your deck, if the purples are legal, is much more expensive and rare intensive. You have to run more rares, and they're expensive at that due to their rarity and power. You're looking at decks that don't run cards which cost less than $10.
Who called them bonus cards? Not WotC. The problem with the rumor mill is that people take speculation as fact, then are like OMG WE WERE LIED TO!!!
In reality, Giant Solifuge wasn't a 4/3 and Wreak Havoc was not going to come out at 1RG, and I built the deck which proved it, and I'm sure a similar deck was used internally to prove Wreak Havoc could not cost 3. People claimed WotC lied, and whined endlessly, and said Solifuge sucked.
In the end, we need official confirmation of the existence of the purple cards (there still is no such confirmation, all we've got is a blurry screenshot of Akroma and photos from an auction which was pulled, as some speculated it would be if it was a hoax (though obviously WotC simply could have had it pulled)); then we can perhaps find out if they are legal in any formats. I have my doubts.
i will ignore you because i can.
but cmon arent you at least curious and a little bit up for debate about this issue? and dont even deny it, this IS an issue. This set isnt only extremely hyped, it also game changing.
I expected that answer Titanium Dragon (and we know we cant sue WoTc is just an expression).
Is not that more power is bad, it is that is more difficult to manage. If we have high expectations we must deal with high power. Besides the net and all the globalization in making all the surprise in games like this one pretty cheap. We get answers way too quick. So a large card pool should keep us busy for more than a while.
My question for everybody out there is?
Are you afraid of a "neo affinity" kind of deck?
or are you willing to pound with you wit and all the tools available against the machine?
I find more amusing coming with something against everything.
- Lack of common sense is like the common flu.
Helping unknown people and getting flame by them.
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Except that most of the purple cards aren't really bombs. Sure, there's Akroma, Angel of Wrath... who suffers from all the usual problems with 8-drops. There's Shadowmage Infiltrator, and he's pretty good. Two-color can be slightly restrictive in a non-rav environment, but good. There's Psionic Blast... but that's one-shot removal or 4 to the dome. And then there are the purples that aren't so flash. Flying Men is fine, but nothing special. A number of cards like Gaea's Blessing, Tornod's Crypt and Disenchant are strong, but not particularily relevant in limited and certainly not game-breaking. And then there's stuff like Sengire Autocrat and Evil Eye of Orms-by-Gore which is just kinda cool but not particularily strong at all. Some are powerful but with really nasty mana costs like Lightning Angel and Nicol Bolas.
Yes there are some powerful reprints. Finkel, Stormbind, Akroma, Avatar of Woe, Call of the Herd and Sacred Mesa can potentially dominate a limited game. A number of others are good and highly playable but won't make such an impact. That's six out of 25 cards that could be considered 'bombs', and most of these are from Prophesy or newer. I think they'll certainly be legal in limited and probably in standard.
Edit: Well, its confirmed. They ARE legal.