well the name is sorta obvious but with 6 or seven cards in hand this li'l puppy could paste any spell in the format giving us another "hard counter"
with Gifts/Thirst/Night's Whisper control could get even more ...control-0-lishous :grin2:
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I think it would be playable, with some cards like Meloku or the "new mechanic" posted on a thread on the Rumor Mill. And any of the cards that you mentioned above would work perfectly.
It has the flavor, but we will have to wait for the surprises that Saviors is going to throw.
I hope for SOK to have more hard-counters though.
I'm sure it will have it's fans, but I don't think it'll have much of an impact, particularly because the only real advantage it has over Hinder is being splashable. I'd say it has a chance for U/x control decks, but personally, I'd still use Mana Leak and Condescend. Maybe it'll have a chance in block, but there don't seem to be enough cheap counters to survive an enviroment with Isamaru, Nezumi Shortfang, and the dreaded Jitte.
I think it will be a good card, espically becuase it costs :2mana::symu:, makes it very splashable and its as close to a hard couter your going to get, other then hinder. At least a decent hard couter, i'm sure MUC will play some of these.
And it isn't arcane.
And its not really a hardcounter, in the earlygame its a worse Mana leak, and later its most often...between a mana leak and nothing. So it isn't really playable, probably it will be played sometimes, but I think it has better alternatives as long as Mirrodin block is still legal. (After condescend rotates out, well, maybe)
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I really dont think this card will see any MUC decks in Standars, i mean, there's already some good hard counters. Instead I might use Condescend, its a great second turn counter (besides Mana Leak of course), in the 3rd turn Hinder fits right in.
Also i dont think MUC will see Block play, there's not that much "control" in it, we have bad counters in block.... here's the comparation:
Regular/good counters in ST
Rewind
Hinder
Condescend
Mana Leak
Annul
Disrupting Shoal
Last Word
Quash
in the right decks:
Override
Assert Authority
Regular/good counters in Block
Minamo's Meddling
Squelch (hehe, i counter your Sakura-Tribe Elder ability, i draw a card)
Disrupting Shoal
Quash
Thoughtbind
Hisoka's Defiance
Hinder Opressed Will
From those the only good ones are the Shoal, Minamo's Meddling (still a hard counter), Hinder, Opressed Will and maybe Hisoka's defiance, but still.... affordable hard counters avaliable, just Hinder
Edit: maybe it will find a good spot in UB control in block, but still, that's why i'm playing UW Control in block. With my "Control+Alt+Supr" deck:, i will rule!:halo:
I don't want to sound mean, but how can you possibly justify saying Minamo's Meddling is a "good" counter? It's terrible, even as a hard counter. D-Shoal is playable, but anything but solid. My rankings of Kami block counters:
1. Hinder: Duh.
2. Thoughtbind: Show me one 5+ cc spell in a competitive KBC deck besides Sway.
3. Quash: It's a hard counter, with a bonus. Its restriction hurts though.
4. Oppressed Will: While it's not great in the wrong deck, it can shine with Meloku + draw.
5. Hisoka's Defiance: Better than Meddling in dealing with pesky Arcane spells.
6. Distrupting Shoal: It has its uses, but I'm not impressed.
7. Meddling: I've said all I can about it. MAYBE SB in MUC for Ire.dec or DT/splice.
That said, I can't see MUC being any good in KBC anyway. With the loss of Condescend, Mana Leak, Shackles, Magpie, and others, there's just too many spots to fill with mediocre cards. U/B, maybe though.
I can see it being used in MUC, it is not the best but it certianly playable.
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Not in standard and probably not in block, a conditional counter which won't work if you're opponent has made you discard and costs 3 is unlikely to see play. If it costed 2 it would be definitely see play but at 3 its inferior to both hinder and thoughtbind in block(and probably hisoka's defiance) and inferior to hinder, mana leak and condescend in type 2.
Condescend if SO much better than this. After turn 4, you're going to have more lands in play than cards in hand in most cases. Plus, Condescend Scries, which is important. And you can cast Condescend on turn 2 when lacking a Mana Leak.
2. Thoughtbind: Show me one 5+ cc spell in a competitive KBC deck besides
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darn. i saw someone post that it was arcane and i was happy but then someone else posted that it wasnt:( im quite surprised they havnt printed an arcane counterspell
(other than disrupting shoal) I hope they still print one in saviors, it would be really helpful in U/R
2. Thoughtbind: Show me one 5+ cc spell in a competitive KBC deck besides Sway.
kokusho
yosei
kegia
meloku
uyo
oyobi
painwracker/gutwrencher oni
strength of cedars
hikari
ink eyes
patron of the akki
seshiro the anointed
devouring rage
blood rites
care for me to continue? thoughtbind is pretty much garbage
kokusho
yosei
kegia
meloku
uyo
oyobi
painwracker/gutwrencher oni
strength of cedars
hikari
ink eyes
patron of the akki
seshiro the anointed
devouring rage
blood rites
care for me to continue? thoughtbind is pretty much garbage
Uh, a lot of the cards you listed are not played in KBC. Only the dragons, Meloku, Ink-Eyes, and Seshiro off that list are.
Uh, a lot of the cards you listed are not played in KBC. Only the dragons, Meloku, Ink-Eyes, and Seshiro off that list are.
some of those cards are definately playable, thay might not have been used yet, but they're still all quality cards asking to be used. even if many dont get played, thoughtbind still doesn't counter what you really want countered. and i forgot on that list: north tree, final judgement, maybe a myojin or two.
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with Gifts/Thirst/Night's Whisper control could get even more ...control-0-lishous :grin2:
Comments? Concerns? Just want to say im full of Crap? go ahead, Discuss
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Awakening ?/180: Features Domain, with more land comes more mastery over the elements. Channel and Growth are expanded making landcasting more interesting.
It has the flavor, but we will have to wait for the surprises that Saviors is going to throw.
I hope for SOK to have more hard-counters though.
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couter target spell unless its controllor pays 1 for each card in hand.
I think that is it. And I think it will be a good card.
And its not really a hardcounter, in the earlygame its a worse Mana leak, and later its most often...between a mana leak and nothing. So it isn't really playable, probably it will be played sometimes, but I think it has better alternatives as long as Mirrodin block is still legal. (After condescend rotates out, well, maybe)
Also i dont think MUC will see Block play, there's not that much "control" in it, we have bad counters in block.... here's the comparation:
Regular/good counters in ST
Rewind
Hinder
Condescend
Mana Leak
Annul
Disrupting Shoal
Last Word
Quash
in the right decks:
Override
Assert Authority
Regular/good counters in Block
Minamo's Meddling
Squelch (hehe, i counter your Sakura-Tribe Elder ability, i draw a card)
Disrupting Shoal
Quash
Thoughtbind
Hisoka's Defiance
Hinder
Opressed Will
From those the only good ones are the Shoal, Minamo's Meddling (still a hard counter), Hinder, Opressed Will and maybe Hisoka's defiance, but still.... affordable hard counters avaliable, just Hinder
Edit: maybe it will find a good spot in UB control in block, but still, that's why i'm playing UW Control in block. With my "Control+Alt+Supr" deck:, i will rule!:halo:
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1. Hinder: Duh.
2. Thoughtbind: Show me one 5+ cc spell in a competitive KBC deck besides Sway.
3. Quash: It's a hard counter, with a bonus. Its restriction hurts though.
4. Oppressed Will: While it's not great in the wrong deck, it can shine with Meloku + draw.
5. Hisoka's Defiance: Better than Meddling in dealing with pesky Arcane spells.
6. Distrupting Shoal: It has its uses, but I'm not impressed.
7. Meddling: I've said all I can about it. MAYBE SB in MUC for Ire.dec or DT/splice.
That said, I can't see MUC being any good in KBC anyway. With the loss of Condescend, Mana Leak, Shackles, Magpie, and others, there's just too many spots to fill with mediocre cards. U/B, maybe though.
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It isnt really better than mana leak, hinder or rewind, but it could replace condescend.
kokusho
yosei
kegia
meloku
uyo
oyobi
painwracker/gutwrencher oni
strength of cedars
hikari
ink eyes
patron of the akki
seshiro the anointed
devouring rage
blood rites
care for me to continue? thoughtbind is pretty much garbage
(other than disrupting shoal) I hope they still print one in saviors, it would be really helpful in U/R
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Uh, a lot of the cards you listed are not played in KBC. Only the dragons, Meloku, Ink-Eyes, and Seshiro off that list are.
some of those cards are definately playable, thay might not have been used yet, but they're still all quality cards asking to be used. even if many dont get played, thoughtbind still doesn't counter what you really want countered. and i forgot on that list: north tree, final judgement, maybe a myojin or two.