Bold assumption when this is a tiny fraction of the set leaked and it already shows new gates being printed. There couldnt possibly be even more gates in the set. No way. Please share with the rest of us the entire set reveal you clearly have access to.
It's also a bold assumption that they will print more. You also have only seen a tiny fraction of the set, but somehow your intuition is better than mine?
I have seen 2 cards of the same gate cycle, the rare land cycle is already taken by the battlebond lands, there are no reason to assume there will be more than 1 cycle.
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
The set is baldurs gate and doing a gate theme is... adorable. I hate it. Fire everyone involved. There's obviously going to be at least 9 gates for that one maniac in draft or sealed or whatever to run a deck with this nine fingers person.
Like what you are betting on is that wizards is so bad at making their own game that they're going to miss the opportunity to allow for this and print a legendary commander in a commander draft set that can't actually use their own abilities. There's no evidence they're that stupid here like 50 expansions into this game.
The set is baldurs gate and doing a gate theme is... adorable. I hate it. Fire everyone involved. There's obviously going to be at least 9 gates for that one maniac in draft or sealed or whatever to run a deck with this nine fingers person.
Like what you are betting on is that wizards is so bad at making their own game that they're going to miss the opportunity to allow for this and print a legendary commander in a commander draft set that can't actually use their own abilities. There's no evidence they're that stupid here like 50 expansions into this game.
Bro limited and commander are two different things. Pretty sure they'll make a gimmick like "there is a 50% to find a common gate instead of a basic land in every pack" and that will work. For limited. Making a gate themed commander sultai deck is a completely different thing.
Willing to bet that "wizards is bad at making their own game" regarding commander because they did it plenty of times.
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
The set is baldurs gate and doing a gate theme is... adorable. I hate it. Fire everyone involved. There's obviously going to be at least 9 gates for that one maniac in draft or sealed or whatever to run a deck with this nine fingers person.
Like what you are betting on is that wizards is so bad at making their own game that they're going to miss the opportunity to allow for this and print a legendary commander in a commander draft set that can't actually use their own abilities. There's no evidence they're that stupid here like 50 expansions into this game.
Bro limited and commander are two different things. Pretty sure they'll make a gimmick like "there is a 50% to find a common gate instead of a basic land in every pack" and that will work. For limited. Making a gate themed commander sultai deck is a completely different thing.
Willing to bet that "wizards is bad at making their own game" regarding commander because they did it plenty of times.
Statistically speaking, they are the indisputable world champions at making their own game.
Really good job with Nine-Fingers Keene. She requires 9 gates but can only play 4
One thing is, this is a draft set and you can run multiple copies of cards in your deck so there you can have more than 9 gates
Shoot I didn't even read the card it's not even maze's end they can be any gates. I am still 100% willing to bet there's gonna be a way to pull at least 9 total gates in draft, whether it's because gates are in instead of basic lands per pack or because of multiple cycles.
The set is baldurs gate and doing a gate theme is... adorable. I hate it. Fire everyone involved. There's obviously going to be at least 9 gates for that one maniac in draft or sealed or whatever to run a deck with this nine fingers person.
Like what you are betting on is that wizards is so bad at making their own game that they're going to miss the opportunity to allow for this and print a legendary commander in a commander draft set that can't actually use their own abilities. There's no evidence they're that stupid here like 50 expansions into this game.
Bro limited and commander are two different things. Pretty sure they'll make a gimmick like "there is a 50% to find a common gate instead of a basic land in every pack" and that will work. For limited. Making a gate themed commander sultai deck is a completely different thing.
Willing to bet that "wizards is bad at making their own game" regarding commander because they did it plenty of times.
once again, set isn't out yet and gates are clearly a theme. calm down and wait before saying they ****ed up and ruined the concept.
you're forgetting this is also a leak. not a release by wotc. a leak. that means its information you aren't even supposed to have yet - for this very reason. chill out.
Thespian's Stage would absolutely fit Baldur's Gate, I think it's has a good chance of being reprinted, but Vesuva is a specific Island in Dominaria, so they'd have to craft a new land capable of copying other lands. Or a spell that does it.
Instead of Exotic orchard it could be Gateway Plaza increasing the count to 10. (Already mentioned in the reddit post)
I could see an Aura for lands in green that improves the mana production and gives it the Gate type. The Gates provides mana fixing by themself so the slot investment for them is okayish I would say. They are commons, too. I don't expect to much Gate specific cards. Maybe some ramp card like Circuitous Route.
It will be difficult to make this work in draft. Most likely you will be picking 2 cards each round like on the last commander draft product which will help to get some good cards in addition to some gates.
Basicly he thinks the lands are crunch goes like this
Top is 340 and the bottom is 361 and assuming wayfarer's bauble is the last artifact
Baldurs gate
basilisk gate
black dragon gate
Bountiful promenade
Citadel Gate
Cliffgate
Command tower
Exotic orchard
Gond gate
Heap gate
Luxury suites
Manor gate
Morphic pool
Reflecting pool
Sea gate
Sea of Clouds
Spire garden
maybe, but lets not forget they can change it up and not restrict gates to lands. there can easily be other gates. artifacts, enchantments, all sorts of things. either way, we don't have enough information yet to decry **** you wotc give us more gates for this one commander
I think I've figured out the Secondary Commander of the Exit From Exile Deck.
Face Commanders don't appear to have the Choose a Background feature, which makes sense as you can't fit a Commander & Background on top, so that means it's the Secondary Commander that gets them, BUT we know that the Background for the Deck is the red Archeologist, so that means the Secondary Commander has to a be monogreen Archeologist.
There is only one Archeologist that makes sense as monogreen in the Forgotten Realms, because he is a Ranger, like probably the best depiction of a D&D Ranger in fact.
So I just realized that there’s a Baba Lysaga card so that means we are going to have a Strahd card right? As far as lore goes I’ve only read stuff about Ravenloft. Is there precedent for the Baldurs Gate storyline intertwining with Strahd? I’ve tried looking online on my lunch break but haven’t had success lol
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So I just realized that there’s a Baba Lysaga card so that means we are going to have a Strahd card right? As far as lore goes I’ve only read stuff about Ravenloft. Is there precedent for the Baldurs Gate storyline intertwining with Strahd? I’ve tried looking online on my lunch break but haven’t had success lol
maybe, but lets not forget they can change it up and not restrict gates to lands.
Well, Gate is a land type. So it would take a lot to put it on a card that's not a land.
I doubt it would be all that difficult considering we have non creature types on creatures (Food, Shrine, Equipment.) I could easily see a Wall creature that also has the Gate type on it.
Well, Gate is a land type. So it would take a lot to put it on a card that's not a land.
I doubt it would be all that difficult considering we have non creature types on creatures (Food, Shrine, Equipment.) I could easily see a Wall creature that also has the Gate type on it.[/quote]
Yeah, but those Food creatures are still artifacts, those Shrine creatures are still enchantments, and those Equipment creatures are still artifacts. The subtype still determines the card type. Additional card types may be added, but Gates will still be lands, which comes with a lot of rules baggage (not a spell, no mana cost).
The alternatives are not simple (though they exist e. g. a static ability that makes a creature a Gate land on the battlefield; but that's a lot of complexity for a questionable benefit). In the end though these would still "restrict [G]ates to lands".
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Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
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Yeah, but those Food creatures are still artifacts, those Shrine creatures are still enchantments, and those Equipment creatures are still artifacts. The subtype still determines the card type. Additional card types may be added, but Gates will still be lands, which comes with a lot of rules baggage (not a spell, no mana cost).
The alternatives are not simple (though they exist e. g. a static ability that makes a creature a Gate land on the battlefield; but that's a lot of complexity for a questionable benefit). In the end though these would still "restrict [G]ates to lands".
While yes, you are correct that Food and Equipment come with things that are a must with sacrificing for life or attaching to a creature gates don't do anything specifically. Remove Food from something like Gingerbrute means you can't sac it and taking away Equipment from Lizard Blades means it can't equip. If you remove Gate from any of the gates you're left with the same card because Gate adds nothing mechanically.
There's nothing that dictates a gate must be a land and that if a creature is one it becomes a land. Adding Gate to a creature shouldn't bring any baggage because Gate does nothing special and is not like adding Forest land like Ashaya. Honestly, Food, Shrine, and Equipment came with more baggage as you have to remember it's not a creature type and that with Equipment they stop being creatures while equipped (as that was a mostly niche rule that few came across.)
Making nonland cards gates would mess with the rules in weird ways. Traveler's Cloak is perfectly capable of giving a creature gatewalk, for instance. If gate were used on wall creatures, suddenly changelings are gates, which really messes with the balance on gate synergy cards. Adding it as an artifact type might not immediately break anything, but I expect they still want to avoid that for the sake of "choose a land type" cards and the fact that anything they put it on will be tutorable to the battlefield with Maze's End.
it would be cool to have a Legendary Creature_Wall Gate
if you went the way of Dryad Arbor you could make it a Legendary Land Creature_Wall Gate
which would be cool
and only mildly problematic
if i recall correctly
Oh, also, why deal with the baggage of putting land types on nonlands when just adding "gateway" as a type for the other thing and saying "gate or gateway" Would achieve the same thing with no rules headaches?
There will be no nonland gates.
They could easily do a "relentless" gate to deal with the quantity issues in constructed though.
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There are at least 2 lands that can copy lands in play... Thespian's Stage & Vesuva...
It's also a bold assumption that they will print more. You also have only seen a tiny fraction of the set, but somehow your intuition is better than mine?
I have seen 2 cards of the same gate cycle, the rare land cycle is already taken by the battlebond lands, there are no reason to assume there will be more than 1 cycle.
Like what you are betting on is that wizards is so bad at making their own game that they're going to miss the opportunity to allow for this and print a legendary commander in a commander draft set that can't actually use their own abilities. There's no evidence they're that stupid here like 50 expansions into this game.
Bro limited and commander are two different things. Pretty sure they'll make a gimmick like "there is a 50% to find a common gate instead of a basic land in every pack" and that will work. For limited. Making a gate themed commander sultai deck is a completely different thing.
Willing to bet that "wizards is bad at making their own game" regarding commander because they did it plenty of times.
One thing is, this is a draft set and you can run multiple copies of cards in your deck so there you can have more than 9 gates
Statistically speaking, they are the indisputable world champions at making their own game.
Shoot I didn't even read the card it's not even maze's end they can be any gates. I am still 100% willing to bet there's gonna be a way to pull at least 9 total gates in draft, whether it's because gates are in instead of basic lands per pack or because of multiple cycles.
once again, set isn't out yet and gates are clearly a theme. calm down and wait before saying they ****ed up and ruined the concept.
you're forgetting this is also a leak. not a release by wotc. a leak. that means its information you aren't even supposed to have yet - for this very reason. chill out.
Thespian's Stage would absolutely fit Baldur's Gate, I think it's has a good chance of being reprinted, but Vesuva is a specific Island in Dominaria, so they'd have to craft a new land capable of copying other lands. Or a spell that does it.
I hate to burst your bubble this guy may have cracked it for the land crunch
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/u5nu5e/using_numbers_and_lore_to_figure_out_clb_lands/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Basicly he thinks the lands are crunch goes like this
Top is 340 and the bottom is 361 and assuming wayfarer's bauble is the last artifact
I could see an Aura for lands in green that improves the mana production and gives it the Gate type. The Gates provides mana fixing by themself so the slot investment for them is okayish I would say. They are commons, too. I don't expect to much Gate specific cards. Maybe some ramp card like Circuitous Route.
It will be difficult to make this work in draft. Most likely you will be picking 2 cards each round like on the last commander draft product which will help to get some good cards in addition to some gates.
maybe, but lets not forget they can change it up and not restrict gates to lands. there can easily be other gates. artifacts, enchantments, all sorts of things. either way, we don't have enough information yet to decry **** you wotc give us more gates for this one commander
Face Commanders don't appear to have the Choose a Background feature, which makes sense as you can't fit a Commander & Background on top, so that means it's the Secondary Commander that gets them, BUT we know that the Background for the Deck is the red Archeologist, so that means the Secondary Commander has to a be monogreen Archeologist.
There is only one Archeologist that makes sense as monogreen in the Forgotten Realms, because he is a Ranger, like probably the best depiction of a D&D Ranger in fact.
That Ranger Archeolist Baylee Arnvold.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Baylee_Arnvold
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It seems likely in this set yes.
Well, Gate is a land type. So it would take a lot to put it on a card that's not a land.
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I doubt it would be all that difficult considering we have non creature types on creatures (Food, Shrine, Equipment.) I could easily see a Wall creature that also has the Gate type on it.
I doubt it would be all that difficult considering we have non creature types on creatures (Food, Shrine, Equipment.) I could easily see a Wall creature that also has the Gate type on it.[/quote]
Yeah, but those Food creatures are still artifacts, those Shrine creatures are still enchantments, and those Equipment creatures are still artifacts. The subtype still determines the card type. Additional card types may be added, but Gates will still be lands, which comes with a lot of rules baggage (not a spell, no mana cost).
The alternatives are not simple (though they exist e. g. a static ability that makes a creature a Gate land on the battlefield; but that's a lot of complexity for a questionable benefit). In the end though these would still "restrict [G]ates to lands".
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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While yes, you are correct that Food and Equipment come with things that are a must with sacrificing for life or attaching to a creature gates don't do anything specifically. Remove Food from something like Gingerbrute means you can't sac it and taking away Equipment from Lizard Blades means it can't equip. If you remove Gate from any of the gates you're left with the same card because Gate adds nothing mechanically.
There's nothing that dictates a gate must be a land and that if a creature is one it becomes a land. Adding Gate to a creature shouldn't bring any baggage because Gate does nothing special and is not like adding Forest land like Ashaya. Honestly, Food, Shrine, and Equipment came with more baggage as you have to remember it's not a creature type and that with Equipment they stop being creatures while equipped (as that was a mostly niche rule that few came across.)
they printed Parcel Myr
which is both a Creature_Myr and an Artifact_Clue
it would make sense for a Creature_Wall to be a gate
tho it wouldn·t make sense for other creatures to be a Gate
right now the only legendary wall is Pramikon, Sky Rampart
it would be cool to have a Legendary Creature_Wall Gate
if you went the way of Dryad Arbor you could make it a Legendary Land Creature_Wall Gate
which would be cool
and only mildly problematic
if i recall correctly
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There will be no nonland gates.
They could easily do a "relentless" gate to deal with the quantity issues in constructed though.