People accept the rule of Kings and Lords because they are the ones that can keep them safe.
That doesn't really track. What you would see in that case is a series of warlords and conquerors and succession would only happen through violence, no princes or royal lines. Every adventuring party that solves a quest would be a tremendous political threat to the existing structure and every town would be organized around and in service to the folks most capable of dealing violence.
I think you are obviously someone who enjoys comparing the geo-politics of our own world to that of a High Fantasy setting devised in the 1970s. Good for you, but I disagree completely that's how a magical world would work. I am not debating that the majority of citizens in the Realms would be average level 0 commoners and ultimately powerless beings. However you saying only 0.0002% would have any power is ludicrous. It's not Middle Earth (a very Low Fantasy setting).
The major cities and locations across Faerun are very nuanced in how they are ruled, from Thay to Waterdeep, to Calimport would be vastly different. And of course wealth comes into it - those in power have the wealth to protect their citizens from the powers beyond their walls. And citizens, be they humans, elves, dwarves or whoever, will generally unite to face those bigger threats.
Seriously though google it you are a dissenting voice in the estimations of a bunch of DMs.
I'm a dissenting voice from a bunch of DMs? Hilarious! I think you'll find you're a dissenting voice from Ed Greenwood.
Those are the stats for an Avatar of Selune, not Selune. I was pretty sure faith and pantheons was clear on that.
I do know how to read. I would take a photo of the book for you but for fear of potential copyright - I literally have it open in front of me. Each deity has stats for themselves first and stats for their Avatar second. You clearly do not own the book. The Avatar of Selune is far less powerful than the God.
Anyway, I think we're at risk of turning a Rumour Mill spoiler thread into a massive debate about Realmslore here so I'm not going to spend lots of time with another long, drawn out response, though it is tempting - debating these things can be fun. I'll leave you to change and mould the setting as you see fit, that is the beauty of D&D after all.
People accept the rule of Kings and Lords because they are the ones that can keep them safe.
You mentioned Selune as an example: Wizard 20/Cleric 20/Bard 9 CR - I have the book here in front of me
Those are the stats for an Avatar of Selune, not Selune. I was pretty sure faith and pantheons was clear on that.
Anyway I did a bunch more reading for ellywick and apparently she straight up introduces herself as a planeswalker and confirms herself not to be from oerth (and again she's extremely magical and does all kinds of spells, I'm not sure what sort of bard you're imagining. There's no stat block for her yet either.) so I think she's actually a character from mtg planeswalked into dnd. I don't know how I feel about that exactly but you know what why not, it's weird to be running two entirely different worlds that both have multiverses that don't run into each other somehow.
i think it·s kind of neat
if you think of MtG as one multiverse sheaf containing its own cluster of planes
and D&D as another multiverse sheaf containing its own cluster of planes
that might make Ellywick some kind of metawalker
capable of spanning the gap
from one multiverse sheaf to another
It's really not about 'geopolitics' so much as it is about how magic interacts with resource scarcity which interacts with society formation. The specific theory I'm using here (Materialism) was already a hundred years old by the 1970s and less power to him if greenwood isn't versed in it. Star Trek, from 1966, was very pointedly about the different kind of society that would exist in a world with food synthesizers. Maybe ed didn't own a tv. It's all well and good to just say it's "high fantasy" but part of that fantasy is the idea that a feudal society could withstand infinite resources or a whole mess of people who can spit fire at will. You have to come up with ideological reasons that clerics of waukeen or gond couldn't just start a business selling fast magical food that undercuts the market for regular grown food.
The point being that it's actually /rare/ for a citizen of faerun to be walking the planes and it has to be that way or else weird things start happening to the world you build. Even amongst adventurers (PCs) we are talking about a very small group of people. Even baldur's gate 2 you don't get to another (non-pocket) plane until a bit before the end of the game when you're around level 35 or so and just shortly before you ascend to godhood yourself. Just having the levels shouldn't be enough to push it. It's like being aware that the moon is actually inhabited and livable, it's only relevant to specific groups and games and shouldn't just be a thing that everyone can know. You start coming up with stuff like "helm doesn't like people traveling about planar-wise and will intervene if you start getting real crazy with it" or "you can't travel to that plane because you haven't actually heard of it" or "the wizard you hired messed it up so you just ended up on the other side of toril" and so on.
None of the leaked baldurs gate characters are planeswalkers, even though a bunch of them definitely walked at least to the hells and back in the mindflayer nautilus, or rode a dragon through a portal for the githyanki lady on the cover. Minsc is on the cover of spelljammer which is going to come out at the same time as this product, so clearly minsc gets around now. He also went to the shadowfell for the last ravenloft set. He's a mascot and an exception.
¿can it be called Walking if one takes a Mindflayer Nautilus?
No. It's not as if all people who traverse the multiverse on the Weatherlight are planeswalkers. Most of them are not. If you just use a "planar gate" or even "planar ship" to travel to another plane it's not planeswalking.
Planar travel can be achieved through other means than "planeswalking". And the use of a contraption is one of those alternative means. A very recent example is the use of Tezzeret's Planar Bridge by the Phyrexian Praetors, who have cards to prove they are still creatures and not fundamentally changed into planeswalkers by the act of traveling to another plane.
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We had the gate commander as a possible leak, so what other gate mechanics are we going to be seeing?
Kinda hard to tell, as the "Gates" in Ravnica had a specific story meaning, while the "Gate" in Baldurs Gate doesnt really have a specific meaning i can recall (it might just literally be the gate that was build on the cities founding and thats it).
So hard to tell, the Ravnica gates served as points of interest for the guilds and such.
We had the gate commander as a possible leak, so what other gate mechanics are we going to be seeing?
Kinda hard to tell, as the "Gates" in Ravnica had a specific story meaning, while the "Gate" in Baldurs Gate doesnt really have a specific meaning i can recall (it might just literally be the gate that was build on the cities founding and thats it).
So hard to tell, the Ravnica gates served as points of interest for the guilds and such.
well it was lands with a gate subtype, I can see multiple gates like gates to the underdark or baldur's gate
We had the gate commander as a possible leak, so what other gate mechanics are we going to be seeing?
Kinda hard to tell, as the "Gates" in Ravnica had a specific story meaning, while the "Gate" in Baldurs Gate doesnt really have a specific meaning i can recall (it might just literally be the gate that was build on the cities founding and thats it).
So hard to tell, the Ravnica gates served as points of interest for the guilds and such.
Their gates into Baldur's Gate ND between wards, so they have story too them too, they are important and named.
It's really not about 'geopolitics' so much as it is about how magic interacts with resource scarcity which interacts with society formation. The specific theory I'm using here (Materialism) was already a hundred years old by the 1970s and less power to him if greenwood isn't versed in it. Star Trek, from 1966, was very pointedly about the different kind of society that would exist in a world with food synthesizers. Maybe ed didn't own a tv. It's all well and good to just say it's "high fantasy" but part of that fantasy is the idea that a feudal society could withstand infinite resources or a whole mess of people who can spit fire at will. You have to come up with ideological reasons that clerics of waukeen or gond couldn't just start a business selling fast magical food that undercuts the market for regular grown food.
The point being that it's actually /rare/ for a citizen of faerun to be walking the planes and it has to be that way or else weird things start happening to the world you build. Even amongst adventurers (PCs) we are talking about a very small group of people. Even baldur's gate 2 you don't get to another (non-pocket) plane until a bit before the end of the game when you're around level 35 or so and just shortly before you ascend to godhood yourself. Just having the levels shouldn't be enough to push it. It's like being aware that the moon is actually inhabited and livable, it's only relevant to specific groups and games and shouldn't just be a thing that everyone can know. You start coming up with stuff like "helm doesn't like people traveling about planar-wise and will intervene if you start getting real crazy with it" or "you can't travel to that plane because you haven't actually heard of it" or "the wizard you hired messed it up so you just ended up on the other side of toril" and so on.
None of the leaked baldurs gate characters are planeswalkers, even though a bunch of them definitely walked at least to the hells and back in the mindflayer nautilus, or rode a dragon through a portal for the githyanki lady on the cover. Minsc is on the cover of spelljammer which is going to come out at the same time as this product, so clearly minsc gets around now. He also went to the shadowfell for the last ravenloft set. He's a mascot and an exception.
I suspect that Elminster, Minsc, Drizzt, Volo, (all of whom have been to multiple planes and/worlds), and maybe either Strahd (who might be a creature instead) or Nezram Worldwalker.
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I think you are obviously someone who enjoys comparing the geo-politics of our own world to that of a High Fantasy setting devised in the 1970s. Good for you, but I disagree completely that's how a magical world would work. I am not debating that the majority of citizens in the Realms would be average level 0 commoners and ultimately powerless beings. However you saying only 0.0002% would have any power is ludicrous. It's not Middle Earth (a very Low Fantasy setting).
The major cities and locations across Faerun are very nuanced in how they are ruled, from Thay to Waterdeep, to Calimport would be vastly different. And of course wealth comes into it - those in power have the wealth to protect their citizens from the powers beyond their walls. And citizens, be they humans, elves, dwarves or whoever, will generally unite to face those bigger threats.
I'm a dissenting voice from a bunch of DMs? Hilarious! I think you'll find you're a dissenting voice from Ed Greenwood.
I do know how to read. I would take a photo of the book for you but for fear of potential copyright - I literally have it open in front of me. Each deity has stats for themselves first and stats for their Avatar second. You clearly do not own the book. The Avatar of Selune is far less powerful than the God.
Anyway, I think we're at risk of turning a Rumour Mill spoiler thread into a massive debate about Realmslore here so I'm not going to spend lots of time with another long, drawn out response, though it is tempting - debating these things can be fun. I'll leave you to change and mould the setting as you see fit, that is the beauty of D&D after all.
i think it·s kind of neat
if you think of MtG as one multiverse sheaf containing its own cluster of planes
and D&D as another multiverse sheaf containing its own cluster of planes
that might make Ellywick some kind of metawalker
capable of spanning the gap
from one multiverse sheaf to another
-Irini Sengir
It's really not about 'geopolitics' so much as it is about how magic interacts with resource scarcity which interacts with society formation. The specific theory I'm using here (Materialism) was already a hundred years old by the 1970s and less power to him if greenwood isn't versed in it. Star Trek, from 1966, was very pointedly about the different kind of society that would exist in a world with food synthesizers. Maybe ed didn't own a tv. It's all well and good to just say it's "high fantasy" but part of that fantasy is the idea that a feudal society could withstand infinite resources or a whole mess of people who can spit fire at will. You have to come up with ideological reasons that clerics of waukeen or gond couldn't just start a business selling fast magical food that undercuts the market for regular grown food.
The point being that it's actually /rare/ for a citizen of faerun to be walking the planes and it has to be that way or else weird things start happening to the world you build. Even amongst adventurers (PCs) we are talking about a very small group of people. Even baldur's gate 2 you don't get to another (non-pocket) plane until a bit before the end of the game when you're around level 35 or so and just shortly before you ascend to godhood yourself. Just having the levels shouldn't be enough to push it. It's like being aware that the moon is actually inhabited and livable, it's only relevant to specific groups and games and shouldn't just be a thing that everyone can know. You start coming up with stuff like "helm doesn't like people traveling about planar-wise and will intervene if you start getting real crazy with it" or "you can't travel to that plane because you haven't actually heard of it" or "the wizard you hired messed it up so you just ended up on the other side of toril" and so on.
None of the leaked baldurs gate characters are planeswalkers, even though a bunch of them definitely walked at least to the hells and back in the mindflayer nautilus, or rode a dragon through a portal for the githyanki lady on the cover. Minsc is on the cover of spelljammer which is going to come out at the same time as this product, so clearly minsc gets around now. He also went to the shadowfell for the last ravenloft set. He's a mascot and an exception.
-Irini Sengir
No. It's not as if all people who traverse the multiverse on the Weatherlight are planeswalkers. Most of them are not. If you just use a "planar gate" or even "planar ship" to travel to another plane it's not planeswalking.
Planar travel can be achieved through other means than "planeswalking". And the use of a contraption is one of those alternative means. A very recent example is the use of Tezzeret's Planar Bridge by the Phyrexian Praetors, who have cards to prove they are still creatures and not fundamentally changed into planeswalkers by the act of traveling to another plane.
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Kinda hard to tell, as the "Gates" in Ravnica had a specific story meaning, while the "Gate" in Baldurs Gate doesnt really have a specific meaning i can recall (it might just literally be the gate that was build on the cities founding and thats it).
So hard to tell, the Ravnica gates served as points of interest for the guilds and such.
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Their gates into Baldur's Gate ND between wards, so they have story too them too, they are important and named.
-Irini Sengir
I suspect that Elminster, Minsc, Drizzt, Volo, (all of whom have been to multiple planes and/worlds), and maybe either Strahd (who might be a creature instead) or Nezram Worldwalker.